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(02-12-2016 11:37 AM)Gilesfan Wrote:  

(02-12-2016 11:28 AM)Monarchblue Wrote:  

(02-12-2016 10:55 AM)Gilesfan Wrote:  Just a note, Talley is 2 of 10 on the year from 3. Baker is 23-79. Caver is 2-6. If your name is not Freeman or Bacote, I don't want you shooting 3s. (work on it in the offseason/practice)

Mosely was our guy that we need to spread the floor and unfortunately that didn't work out. THus, it's hard to design a good offense that doesn't have a true post up threat and doesn't have 3 point shooters. We have to design an offense around getting Freeman quality shots and most of them end up being mid range jumpers (and attack the glass).

I previously found a site that showed stats on different types of shots in college basketball, but I cant seem to locate at the moment. I would venture to guess that only Freeman makes a decent percentage of mid range jumpers (the worst shot in basketball, but something Freeman is very good at)

Someone brought up next year......I think we will have a much more well rounded team. I was actually shocked to see how well Colbert played at Illinois. He seems like a very good rebounder as well.

I believe that those shooting numbers are a chicken egg thing. If Nik, Talley, and Baker were shooting without hesitation whenever an open shot presents itself, I think they all could be decent enough. I don't want to see them shooting it 7 times a game, but 3-4 attempts if they are wide open is not unreasonable. All of them have good enough looking shots, so it appears to be a confidence issue. I say let them shoot until they are confident. Talley especially. If he could make defenders respect his jumper he would be unstoppable.

It is the most inefficient shot in basketball so I wouldn't want anyone shooting it unless they were really good at it or it was end of shot clock situation.

I am talking about 3s.

(02-12-2016 12:00 PM)ODU BBALL Wrote:  

(02-12-2016 11:38 AM)Gilesfan Wrote:  

(02-12-2016 11:36 AM)ODU BBALL Wrote:  

(02-12-2016 10:55 AM)Gilesfan Wrote:  Just a note, Talley is 2 of 10 on the year from 3. Baker is 23-79. Caver is 2-6. If your name is not Freeman or Bacote, I don't want you shooting 3s. (work on it in the offseason/practice)

Mosely was our guy that we need to spread the floor and unfortunately that didn't work out. THus, it's hard to design a good offense that doesn't have a true post up threat and doesn't have 3 point shooters. We have to design an offense around getting Freeman quality shots and most of them end up being mid range jumpers (and attack the glass).

I previously found a site that showed stats on different types of shots in college basketball, but I cant seem to locate at the moment. I would venture to guess that only Freeman makes a decent percentage of mid range jumpers (the worst shot in basketball, but something Freeman is very good at)

Someone brought up next year......I think we will have a much more well rounded team. I was actually shocked to see how well Colbert played at Illinois. He seems like a very good rebounder as well.

Baker and Biberaj both had better shooting percentages from 3 last night than Freeman did. If they didn't take the shots you never would have known that would happen. Can't get locked into one or two players responsible for doing everything offensively. As we saw, even Freeman can have an off shooting night. Makes things too easy to defend and the other players don't progress as they should. What if one or both of them were to be out for any reason (illness, injury, fouls, etc.)? Do we not attempt any 3 pointers then?

A sample size of 1 night is awfully small.

No, we should not shoot 3s if you aren't good at it.

Then you believe that Talley and Caver (and possibly some others) should therefore have the green light since their sample size is not large enough to discredit them? You realize don't you that to make just 1 of 3 from beyond the arc is the equivalent of shooting 50% from inside the arc. By those standards and your own stats, Caver is shooting the equivalent of 50% points wise on his 3 point attempts. Sounds like he should keep that up as long as he doesn't regress in doing so.

No one is saying that people should just go out and start chucking up shots. Of course things have to be within the flow of the offense. We are just commenting that sometimes it appears that good, solid shot opportunities are being passed up by guys that aren't named Freeman. That includes some being passed up by Baycote.

You are technically correct, but don't factor in the lack of fouls when shooting 3s. Thus, you might hit 1 of 3, but you are never fouled and thus don't have free throw attempts. Caver simply isn't a good shooter period; 41% true shooting, 28% at the rim, 36% from jumpers, 30% from 3 point range, 53% on free throws.

Im fine with shots from Freeman and Bacote because they make them. We don't have others on the team that make their shots (Talley is good at the rim). With the rules in place, those guys should focus on taking the ball to the rim since they otherwise don't make a high percentage of shots. You aren't going to win simply chucking 3s even if you shoot 30%

(02-12-2016 12:00 PM)ODU BBALL Wrote:  

(02-12-2016 11:38 AM)Gilesfan Wrote:  

(02-12-2016 11:36 AM)ODU BBALL Wrote:  

(02-12-2016 10:55 AM)Gilesfan Wrote:  Just a note, Talley is 2 of 10 on the year from 3. Baker is 23-79. Caver is 2-6. If your name is not Freeman or Bacote, I don't want you shooting 3s. (work on it in the offseason/practice)

Mosely was our guy that we need to spread the floor and unfortunately that didn't work out. THus, it's hard to design a good offense that doesn't have a true post up threat and doesn't have 3 point shooters. We have to design an offense around getting Freeman quality shots and most of them end up being mid range jumpers (and attack the glass).

I previously found a site that showed stats on different types of shots in college basketball, but I cant seem to locate at the moment. I would venture to guess that only Freeman makes a decent percentage of mid range jumpers (the worst shot in basketball, but something Freeman is very good at)

Someone brought up next year......I think we will have a much more well rounded team. I was actually shocked to see how well Colbert played at Illinois. He seems like a very good rebounder as well.

Baker and Biberaj both had better shooting percentages from 3 last night than Freeman did. If they didn't take the shots you never would have known that would happen. Can't get locked into one or two players responsible for doing everything offensively. As we saw, even Freeman can have an off shooting night. Makes things too easy to defend and the other players don't progress as they should. What if one or both of them were to be out for any reason (illness, injury, fouls, etc.)? Do we not attempt any 3 pointers then?

A sample size of 1 night is awfully small.

No, we should not shoot 3s if you aren't good at it.

Then you believe that Talley and Caver (and possibly some others) should therefore have the green light since their sample size is not large enough to discredit them? You realize don't you that to make just 1 of 3 from beyond the arc is the equivalent of shooting 50% from inside the arc. By those standards and your own stats, Caver is shooting the equivalent of 50% points wise on his 3 point attempts. Sounds like he should keep that up as long as he doesn't regress in doing so.

No one is saying that people should just go out and start chucking up shots. Of course things have to be within the flow of the offense. We are just commenting that sometimes it appears that good, solid shot opportunities are being passed up by guys that aren't named Freeman. That includes some being passed up by Baycote.

Why do you keep writing Baycote?