Our current coach has won a national title while in college and knows how to get back to that stage. All of this "new coach" stuff just makes it harder to stay positive, but like my buddy Josh, I see no other way to be.

Bobby Hurley is sort of a weird example. He was 42-20 at Buffalo in his first two seasons, but Buffalo wasn't a bad team necessarily when he took over. The previous coach was in place for more than a decade and had 4 out of 5 winning seasons prior to Hurley taking over. I think he may still be largely unproven at this point. The current Buffalo coach projects to have a comparable season to Hurley's first 2.

(02-01-2016 01:11 PM)MemphisCanes Wrote:  

(01-29-2016 04:58 PM)HoopDreams Wrote:  

(01-29-2016 04:30 PM)Brother Bluto Wrote:  

(01-29-2016 03:31 PM)HoopDreams Wrote:  

(01-29-2016 03:24 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  Hoiberg succeeded. Drexler failed. Mullin and Ollie remain to be seen - one is leaning favorably, the other unfavorably.

50-50?

And Bobby Hurley is doing okay.

A guy wins a national title and it "remains to be seen?"

And y'all call US bad fans for wanting a coach to get past the second weekend once in a blue moon?

Lord have mercy

Well said.

I agree, but how many no-name coaches that we've never even heard of are out there, that were hired by small d1 schools when they had no experience and completely washed out?

We know the names of the success stories, but we can seemingly count them on one hand. We'll never heard of all the failures, and I'd be willing to wager there are many, many more of those.

Well, this section of the thread was not talking about no-name coaches - of which there certainly our thousands. We were talking about former alums, who went to the NBA, then came back to take their first gigs at their alma mater. The Penny conundrum. Very limited population of those guys. The only ones I found were Drexler, Hoiberg, Mullin, Ollie (although he did AC for 2 years prior), and Frank McGuire (back in the day). This population has had more success than failure.

(02-01-2016 02:10 PM)MemphisCanes Wrote:  Bobby Hurley is sort of a weird example. He was 42-20 at Buffalo in his first two seasons, but Buffalo wasn't a bad team necessarily when he took over. The previous coach was in place for more than a decade and had 4 out of 5 winning seasons prior to Hurley taking over. I think he may still be largely unproven at this point. The current Buffalo coach projects to have a comparable season to Hurley's first 2.

Hurley is not even a good example. Primarily because Hurley is not coaching his alma mater. Less pressure on him. And much less risk for the school - in case they had to fire him.

(02-01-2016 02:37 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(02-01-2016 01:11 PM)MemphisCanes Wrote:  

(01-29-2016 04:58 PM)HoopDreams Wrote:  

(01-29-2016 04:30 PM)Brother Bluto Wrote:  

(01-29-2016 03:31 PM)HoopDreams Wrote:  And Bobby Hurley is doing okay.

A guy wins a national title and it "remains to be seen?"

And y'all call US bad fans for wanting a coach to get past the second weekend once in a blue moon?

Lord have mercy

Well said.

I agree, but how many no-name coaches that we've never even heard of are out there, that were hired by small d1 schools when they had no experience and completely washed out?

We know the names of the success stories, but we can seemingly count them on one hand. We'll never heard of all the failures, and I'd be willing to wager there are many, many more of those.

Well, this section of the thread was not talking about no-name coaches - of which there certainly our thousands. We were talking about former alums, who went to the NBA, then came back to take their first gigs at their alma mater. The Penny conundrum. Very limited population of those guys. The only ones I found were Drexler, Hoiberg, Mullin, Ollie (although he did AC for 2 years prior), and Frank McGuire (back in the day). This population has had more success than failure.

So, essentially, a sample size so small that any examination of the contents would be meaningless?

4 guys?

(02-01-2016 02:55 PM)MemphisCanes Wrote:  

(02-01-2016 02:37 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(02-01-2016 01:11 PM)MemphisCanes Wrote:  

(01-29-2016 04:58 PM)HoopDreams Wrote:  

(01-29-2016 04:30 PM)Brother Bluto Wrote:  A guy wins a national title and it "remains to be seen?"

And y'all call US bad fans for wanting a coach to get past the second weekend once in a blue moon?

Lord have mercy

Well said.

I agree, but how many no-name coaches that we've never even heard of are out there, that were hired by small d1 schools when they had no experience and completely washed out?

We know the names of the success stories, but we can seemingly count them on one hand. We'll never heard of all the failures, and I'd be willing to wager there are many, many more of those.

Well, this section of the thread was not talking about no-name coaches - of which there certainly our thousands. We were talking about former alums, who went to the NBA, then came back to take their first gigs at their alma mater. The Penny conundrum. Very limited population of those guys. The only ones I found were Drexler, Hoiberg, Mullin, Ollie (although he did AC for 2 years prior), and Frank McGuire (back in the day). This population has had more success than failure.

So, essentially, a sample size so small that any examination of the contents would be meaningless?

4 guys?

Population size, but yes. Everyone knows Drexler and, by now, Hoiberg. I was hoping to find a dozen more examples. But they just aren't there. At least I can't find them.

Hoping to find out how many succeeded, sure. More interesting might be to find out what happened to any that failed. How long were they and the school floundering, and what happened to the alum relationship.

Before becoming the legendary coach of the Syracuse Orange, Jim Boeheim was a skinny walk-on in 1963, who earned a spot on the team through hard work and determination. By the time he became a senior, Boeheim was a starter, averaging 14.6 points, 2.8 rebounds, and 3.1 assists per contest. He would play a few seasons of minor league ball upon graduation, but would return to Syracuse as a graduate assistant in 1972. When head coach Roy Danforth left the position in 1976, Boeheim was given the reigns to the program. He’s had the position ever since. In his 39 years at Syracuse, Boeheim has amassed 966 wins and .744 winning percentage. Syracuse has won 11 regular season conference titles, five conference tournament championships, made four trips to the Final Four, and won the 2003 National Championship.

(02-01-2016 05:40 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(02-01-2016 02:55 PM)MemphisCanes Wrote:  

(02-01-2016 02:37 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(02-01-2016 01:11 PM)MemphisCanes Wrote:  

(01-29-2016 04:58 PM)HoopDreams Wrote:  Well said.

I agree, but how many no-name coaches that we've never even heard of are out there, that were hired by small d1 schools when they had no experience and completely washed out?

We know the names of the success stories, but we can seemingly count them on one hand. We'll never heard of all the failures, and I'd be willing to wager there are many, many more of those.

Well, this section of the thread was not talking about no-name coaches - of which there certainly our thousands. We were talking about former alums, who went to the NBA, then came back to take their first gigs at their alma mater. The Penny conundrum. Very limited population of those guys. The only ones I found were Drexler, Hoiberg, Mullin, Ollie (although he did AC for 2 years prior), and Frank McGuire (back in the day). This population has had more success than failure.

So, essentially, a sample size so small that any examination of the contents would be meaningless?

4 guys?

Population size, but yes. Everyone knows Drexler and, by now, Hoiberg. I was hoping to find a dozen more examples. But they just aren't there. At least I can't find them.

Hoping to find out how many succeeded, sure. More interesting might be to find out what happened to any that failed. How long were they and the school floundering, and what happened to the alum relationship.

Danny Manning but he isn't at his alma mater

(02-01-2016 05:47 PM)tigergg Wrote:  

(02-01-2016 05:40 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(02-01-2016 02:55 PM)MemphisCanes Wrote:  

(02-01-2016 02:37 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(02-01-2016 01:11 PM)MemphisCanes Wrote:  I agree, but how many no-name coaches that we've never even heard of are out there, that were hired by small d1 schools when they had no experience and completely washed out?

We know the names of the success stories, but we can seemingly count them on one hand. We'll never heard of all the failures, and I'd be willing to wager there are many, many more of those.

Well, this section of the thread was not talking about no-name coaches - of which there certainly our thousands. We were talking about former alums, who went to the NBA, then came back to take their first gigs at their alma mater. The Penny conundrum. Very limited population of those guys. The only ones I found were Drexler, Hoiberg, Mullin, Ollie (although he did AC for 2 years prior), and Frank McGuire (back in the day). This population has had more success than failure.

So, essentially, a sample size so small that any examination of the contents would be meaningless?

4 guys?

Population size, but yes. Everyone knows Drexler and, by now, Hoiberg. I was hoping to find a dozen more examples. But they just aren't there. At least I can't find them.

Hoping to find out how many succeeded, sure. More interesting might be to find out what happened to any that failed. How long were they and the school floundering, and what happened to the alum relationship.

Danny Manning but he isn't at his alma mater

Yea, there are a few of those. But just not the same situation as your alma mater.

(02-01-2016 05:45 PM)HoopDreams Wrote:  Before becoming the legendary coach of the Syracuse Orange, Jim Boeheim was a skinny walk-on in 1963, who earned a spot on the team through hard work and determination. By the time he became a senior, Boeheim was a starter, averaging 14.6 points, 2.8 rebounds, and 3.1 assists per contest. He would play a few seasons of minor league ball upon graduation, but would return to Syracuse as a graduate assistant in 1972. When head coach Roy Danforth left the position in 1976, Boeheim was given the reigns to the program. He’s had the position ever since. In his 39 years at Syracuse, Boeheim has amassed 966 wins and .744 winning percentage. Syracuse has won 11 regular season conference titles, five conference tournament championships, made four trips to the Final Four, and won the 2003 National Championship.

Boeheim was on staff for 7 years before becoming HC though. Looking for player-alums making the jump to alma mater HC as their first coaching gig.

I love Penny but.....can we move on?

(02-01-2016 10:36 PM)Chi-TownTiger Wrote:  I love Penny but.....can we move on?

I'm still not taking this entirely seriously ... but this is a strange way to go about completely dismissing the topic when asked:

"Hardaway addresses Memphis job"
Link: http://www.espn929.com/pages/22469452.php

"I do take what the crowd and what the fans are saying — that’s great for me, because it shows the love they have for me ..."
"... but I do appreciate all of the fans that want me to be the next coach at Memphis, whenever that happens. Or to be the coach at Memphis, whatever year."

(02-13-2016 11:39 AM)80sTiger Wrote:  I'm still not taking this entirely seriously ... but this is a strange way to go about completely dismissing the topic when asked:

"Hardaway addresses Memphis job"
Link: http://www.espn929.com/pages/22469452.php

"I do take what the crowd and what the fans are saying — that’s great for me, because it shows the love they have for me ..."
"... but I do appreciate all of the fans that want me to be the next coach at Memphis, whenever that happens. Or to be the coach at Memphis, whatever year."

Just read it....needs it's own thread in my opinion.

(02-13-2016 11:39 AM)80sTiger Wrote:  I'm still not taking this entirely seriously ... but this is a strange way to go about completely dismissing the topic when asked:

"Hardaway addresses Memphis job"
Link: http://www.espn929.com/pages/22469452.php

"I do take what the crowd and what the fans are saying — that’s great for me, because it shows the love they have for me ..."
"... but I do appreciate all of the fans that want me to be the next coach at Memphis, whenever that happens. Or to be the coach at Memphis, whatever year."

Sh1t,

If that is not saying I want the job if Josh gets fired, I don't know what is.