The problem many of you fail to see is that the Big12 is dead man walking. They have lost TexasAm, Mizzou, Nebraska,Colorado anyone of value outside of Texas and OU have bailed out. No one they will add will make that conference stable. Is a ticking clock until OU makes a move or Texas puts a bullet to it.

(02-04-2016 05:10 PM)Cubanbull Wrote:  The problem many of you fail to see is that the Big12 is dead man walking. They have lost TexasAm, Mizzou, Nebraska,Colorado anyone of value outside of Texas and OU have bailed out. No one they will add will make that conference stable. Is a ticking clock until OU makes a move or Texas puts a bullet to it.

Someday people will realize OU and Texas are working in concert together

(02-04-2016 03:38 PM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  

(02-04-2016 03:19 PM)M1T4 Wrote:  

(02-04-2016 03:17 PM)Pony94 Wrote:  

(02-04-2016 03:12 PM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  again

once UC and UCONN are gone you guys can add witchita st, umass and a whole host of the other usual suapects that get named weekly

Gonna be a sad bearcat next week

Share some more wisdom

UC and Uconn will move on once the B1G and/or SEC start picking off the B12 and/or ACC teams again.

Can I stop laughing yet at the sec invite or Big 10 invite for Cincy.

(02-04-2016 06:01 PM)KNIGHTTIME Wrote:  

(02-04-2016 03:38 PM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  

(02-04-2016 03:19 PM)M1T4 Wrote:  

(02-04-2016 03:17 PM)Pony94 Wrote:  

(02-04-2016 03:12 PM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  again

once UC and UCONN are gone you guys can add witchita st, umass and a whole host of the other usual suapects that get named weekly

Gonna be a sad bearcat next week

Share some more wisdom

UC and Uconn will move on once the B1G and/or SEC start picking off the B12 and/or ACC teams again.

Can I stop laughing yet at the sec invite or Big 10 invite for Cincy.

Domino effect. B1G/SEC pick off B12/ACC, B12/ACC adds teams from AAC.

(02-04-2016 05:10 PM)Cubanbull Wrote:  The problem many of you fail to see is that the Big12 is dead man walking. They have lost TexasAm, Mizzou, Nebraska,Colorado anyone of value outside of Texas and OU have bailed out. No one they will add will make that conference stable. Is a ticking clock until OU makes a move or Texas puts a bullet to it.

While true the remaining schools are not horrible but start to look closer to AAC material.

(02-04-2016 06:03 PM)robertfoshizzle Wrote:  

(02-04-2016 06:01 PM)KNIGHTTIME Wrote:  

(02-04-2016 03:38 PM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  

(02-04-2016 03:19 PM)M1T4 Wrote:  

(02-04-2016 03:17 PM)Pony94 Wrote:  Gonna be a sad bearcat next week

Share some more wisdom

UC and Uconn will move on once the B1G and/or SEC start picking off the B12 and/or ACC teams again.

Can I stop laughing yet at the sec invite or Big 10 invite for Cincy.

Domino effect. B1G/SEC pick off B12/ACC, B12/ACC adds teams from AAC.

Gotcha...re-read it. Texas and OU won't exist in the big 12 in 5 years. My opinion

(02-04-2016 06:01 PM)KNIGHTTIME Wrote:  

(02-04-2016 03:38 PM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  

(02-04-2016 03:19 PM)M1T4 Wrote:  

(02-04-2016 03:17 PM)Pony94 Wrote:  

(02-04-2016 03:12 PM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  again

once UC and UCONN are gone you guys can add witchita st, umass and a whole host of the other usual suapects that get named weekly

Gonna be a sad bearcat next week

Share some more wisdom

UC and Uconn will move on once the B1G and/or SEC start picking off the B12 and/or ACC teams again.

Can I stop laughing yet at the sec invite or Big 10 invite for Cincy.

He wasn't saying the B10 would invite Cincy. I don't think there's a Bearcat fan out there that thinks there's a snowball's chance in Hell that the B10 will invite UC.

He's saying the B10 takes another school, which opens up a slot for UC in the ACC or B12.

(02-04-2016 06:05 PM)BearcatsUC Wrote:  

(02-04-2016 06:01 PM)KNIGHTTIME Wrote:  

(02-04-2016 03:38 PM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  

(02-04-2016 03:19 PM)M1T4 Wrote:  

(02-04-2016 03:17 PM)Pony94 Wrote:  Gonna be a sad bearcat next week

Share some more wisdom

UC and Uconn will move on once the B1G and/or SEC start picking off the B12 and/or ACC teams again.

Can I stop laughing yet at the sec invite or Big 10 invite for Cincy.

He wasn't saying the B10 would invite Cincy. I don't think there's a Bearcat fan out there that thinks there's a snowball's chance in Hell that the B10 will invite UC.

He's saying the B10 takes another school, which opens up a slot for UC in the ACC or B12.

My question is other than Texas which B12 team would the Big10 be interested in taking?

(02-04-2016 06:48 PM)Cubanbull Wrote:  

(02-04-2016 06:05 PM)BearcatsUC Wrote:  

(02-04-2016 06:01 PM)KNIGHTTIME Wrote:  

(02-04-2016 03:38 PM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  

(02-04-2016 03:19 PM)M1T4 Wrote:  Share some more wisdom

UC and Uconn will move on once the B1G and/or SEC start picking off the B12 and/or ACC teams again.

Can I stop laughing yet at the sec invite or Big 10 invite for Cincy.

He wasn't saying the B10 would invite Cincy. I don't think there's a Bearcat fan out there that thinks there's a snowball's chance in Hell that the B10 will invite UC.

He's saying the B10 takes another school, which opens up a slot for UC in the ACC or B12.

My question is other than Texas which B12 team would the Big10 be interested in taking?

Theres rumor they could take a combo of Oklahoma and Kansas. I tend to disagree but if you look at OK, they are very comparable to Nebraska... and Kansas is AAU.
I just dont think either has a large enough market to really help the Big 10.

With that said, I dont see Texas going there either. The first tier contract is coming up and many in the industry think that Fox is going to bid like crazy. THey already own 51% of the B1G network and if they get the contract there is no way ESPN lets them move.
Texas would have to give up the LHN and I just dont see that happening for a Big 10 move.

To me, the Big 10 has VERY few options for expansion since very few have the type of market or draw that would move the needle.

(02-04-2016 05:10 PM)Cubanbull Wrote:  The problem many of you fail to see is that the Big12 is dead man walking. They have lost TexasAm, Mizzou, Nebraska,Colorado anyone of value outside of Texas and OU have bailed out. No one they will add will make that conference stable. Is a ticking clock until OU makes a move or Texas puts a bullet to it.

I am counting on it.

When it fails i just dont see ISU, KSU, Kansas, TCU, Baylor and WVU having a landing spot. None of them add enough to another existing conference to justify the addition.... but they are a better group than say... the AAC.

I know id love to be in a conference with them. Add in 8 more teams and call it a day. Houston, Memphis, Cinci, Uconn, Temple, USF, UCF, and BYU gives that conference markets like crazy and in my opinion isnt too far away from being as good as the ACC.

When it comes to basketball, it would be VERY comparable to the ACC.

We wouldnt get anywhere near the $45 million that the Big 10 and SEC are gonna get. We wouldnt even touch the $35 million the PAC 12 is gonna make.... but I bet we could keep the existing $20 million and Id much rather be at 50% of the big boys than the 1/12 that were currently at.

(02-04-2016 11:18 AM)JesseTU Wrote:  Or, its possible that nearly every open records request is delayed, fought, unnecessarily rejected, etc.

Or, they don't want to admit they have been trying to sell themselves to the Big 12 in case it pisses off their current league, or in case they don't get in, or in case they were told by their new overlords not to.

Or, because the admin accepted a donor plane or a Big 12 jet to go tot he conference - and think it would look bad.

Or, because there is something else in those records that would look bad. Like maybe there is some dissenting voices trying to get into the ACC, and the school doesn't want to piss off the Big 12 if they actually came knocking.

Or, because it gets people talking about Cinci football in the off season, so sweet!

Yeah... You know what?

UC is not worried about "pissing off the current league." This conference already doesn't do us any favors and doesn't help us out. The officiating is already either so bad--or perhaps even is already slanted against UC--that UC has suffered injury and loss because of it, UC was pressured into surrendering portions of the Big East Conference exit fees to schools that never were members of the Big East, and the AAC leadership has been conspicuously quiet about UC while touting other members. So... yeah...we don't really care much about "pissing off" the AAC. There's nothing to lose there.

(02-04-2016 07:46 PM)BearcatJerry Wrote:  

(02-04-2016 11:18 AM)JesseTU Wrote:  Or, its possible that nearly every open records request is delayed, fought, unnecessarily rejected, etc.

Or, they don't want to admit they have been trying to sell themselves to the Big 12 in case it pisses off their current league, or in case they don't get in, or in case they were told by their new overlords not to.

Or, because the admin accepted a donor plane or a Big 12 jet to go tot he conference - and think it would look bad.

Or, because there is something else in those records that would look bad. Like maybe there is some dissenting voices trying to get into the ACC, and the school doesn't want to piss off the Big 12 if they actually came knocking.

Or, because it gets people talking about Cinci football in the off season, so sweet!

Yeah... You know what?

UC is not worried about "pissing off the current league." This conference already doesn't do us any favors and doesn't help us out. The officiating is already either so bad--or perhaps even is already slanted against UC--that UC has suffered injury and loss because of it, UC was pressured into surrendering portions of the Big East Conference exit fees to schools that never were members of the Big East, and the AAC leadership has been conspicuously quiet about UC while touting other members. So... yeah...we don't really care much about "pissing off" the AAC. There's nothing to lose there.

Better get used to us

(02-04-2016 03:51 PM)Pony94 Wrote:  Nothing happened will discuss further in June

I do not think the XII will expand, but nothing happened because the the presidents did not meet yet. The ADS do not make decisions on expansion.

(02-04-2016 07:46 PM)BearcatJerry Wrote:  

(02-04-2016 11:18 AM)JesseTU Wrote:  Or, its possible that nearly every open records request is delayed, fought, unnecessarily rejected, etc.

Or, they don't want to admit they have been trying to sell themselves to the Big 12 in case it pisses off their current league, or in case they don't get in, or in case they were told by their new overlords not to.

Or, because the admin accepted a donor plane or a Big 12 jet to go tot he conference - and think it would look bad.

Or, because there is something else in those records that would look bad. Like maybe there is some dissenting voices trying to get into the ACC, and the school doesn't want to piss off the Big 12 if they actually came knocking.

Or, because it gets people talking about Cinci football in the off season, so sweet!

Yeah... You know what?

UC is not worried about "pissing off the current league." This conference already doesn't do us any favors and doesn't help us out. The officiating is already either so bad--or perhaps even is already slanted against UC--that UC has suffered injury and loss because of it, UC was pressured into surrendering portions of the Big East Conference exit fees to schools that never were members of the Big East, and the AAC leadership has been conspicuously quiet about UC while touting other members. So... yeah...we don't really care much about "pissing off" the AAC. There's nothing to lose there.

Plus you get your areses kicked..a lot. Best part is you are paying us to kick it.

The info coming out for the Big12 meetings thus far would indicate that there is no where near the support for any moves on Boren's three topics. With that in mind, I think Cincy is doing their damnedest to hind this information because their president is likely spending gobs of money in an effort to woo Big12 officials and the university and city likely wouldn't take to kindly to footing the ever growing bill to that end.

(02-05-2016 10:01 AM)FrancisDrake Wrote:  The info coming out for the Big12 meetings thus far would indicate that there is no where near the support for any moves on Boren's three topics. With that in mind, I think Cincy is doing their damnedest to hind this information because their president is likely spending gobs of money in an effort to woo Big12 officials and the university and city likely wouldn't take to kindly to footing the ever growing bill to that end.

"Woo"??? You do realize that the UC President, AD, and BoT are all public officials and if we were using money to buy favor (ie. bribes, gifts, etc...) they will all spend the rest of their lives in prison, right? That would also imperil UC's ability to get Federally subsidized Student Loans and Grants and would (because there is no way to ever keep something like that covered up) result in the abolishment of UC's athletic department...period. (Not exaggerating here...there are enough enemies out there that using funds to bribe officials would absolutely destroy UC...AS IT SHOULD.) Not to mention, Texas is so flush with cash and power, there is no possible way we could bribe them...

It's an absurd proposition that a Public University could never get away with. If our administrators are that stupid they belong behind bars because they'd be a menace to themselves and others.

A poster on the Bearcat forum proposed it's more to do with the fact that we have received a concrete "NO," but we're trying to raise money to renovate our BB arena. That's bad enough... I don't think he's right, but it's far more plausible than what you propose.

(02-05-2016 10:20 AM)BearcatJerry Wrote:  

(02-05-2016 10:01 AM)FrancisDrake Wrote:  The info coming out for the Big12 meetings thus far would indicate that there is no where near the support for any moves on Boren's three topics. With that in mind, I think Cincy is doing their damnedest to hind this information because their president is likely spending gobs of money in an effort to woo Big12 officials and the university and city likely wouldn't take to kindly to footing the ever growing bill to that end.

"Woo"??? You do realize that the UC President, AD, and BoT are all public officials and if we were using money to buy favor (ie. bribes, gifts, etc...) they will all spend the rest of their lives in prison, right? That would also imperil UC's ability to get Federally subsidized Student Loans and Grants and would (because there is no way to ever keep something like that covered up) result in the abolishment of UC's athletic department...period. (Not exaggerating here...there are enough enemies out there that using funds to bribe officials would absolutely destroy UC...AS IT SHOULD.) Not to mention, Texas is so flush with cash and power, there is no possible way we could bribe them...

It's an absurd proposition that a Public University could never get away with. If our administrators are that stupid they belong behind bars because they'd be a menace to themselves and others.

A poster on the Bearcat forum proposed it's more to do with the fact that we have received a concrete "NO," but we're trying to raise money to renovate our BB arena. That's bad enough... I don't think he's right, but it's far more plausible than what you propose.

Let me clarify, I wasn't inferring bribery, I was merely thinking of university funded travel and associated expenses for the president jet setting to Texas and Oklahoma again and again.

If we lose UC/UCONN add AFU/CSU.
If we lose UC/U_F add UMass/Ga Southern.
If we lose UCONN/U_F add WKU/GA Southern.
If we lose both U_F add Ga Southern/USM.
If we lose UH+1 add AFU/CSU.
If we lose 3 or more it will be based on who we lose.

If ECU losses and you want to keep NC, App St has quickly fielded a competitive FBS team and they are close to Charlotte.


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I like this one better: http://www.cincinnati.com/story/sports/c.../79866590/

Plea to Bob Bowlsby and the Big 12

Because the cat is out of the bag with respect to UC pursuing membership in the Big 12 Conference, I am not too proud to beg on behalf of my alma mater, especially if it helps repair any damage caused by an untimely Freedom of Information request.

Mr. Bowlsby and other esteemed decision makers of the Big 12, please admit the University of Cincinnati to your athletic conference. Our vibrant university and beautiful city can offer your members the following:


1.A great destination for your teams to visit with an urban campus located in a gentrifying part of town and only two miles from the revitalized urban core. Our city is much more interesting than the highways and chain restaurants endemic to Tampa and Orlando and the sterile Puritanism of Salt Lake City. Memphis might be more fun at night, but do you really want to spend much time there? Does anyone really want to visit Storrs, including the people who lived there?
2.An athletic tradition greater than any other school you are considering. True, Memphis hoops lost in the finals to UCLA forty years ago, but UC has two national titles. The second best era of Memphis hoops was the Penny Hardaway era, but they could never beat UC. I realize that BYU has a football national title, but no one besides Mitt Romney and residents of Utah believe they deserved it. National championships are not won by beating 6-6 teams in the Holiday Bowl. The terms athletic tradition and history cannot be used in the same sentence with either South Florida and Central Florida.
3.The ability of your football teams to continue to annually beat up on Tommy Tuberville, at least until he finally rides off into retirement. It will be like playing Kansas except in a city with better food and more attractions than Lawrence.

With all respect and as much groveling as necessary, please, please, please, admit UC to your conference. We promise to view you and your fellow decision makers the same way Parisians viewed US soldiers after WWII. You will be our liberators.

Sincerely, Jay Brinker and every other UC alum.

UC Really Needs the Big 12

I was already disheartened about UC’s conference affiliation when I read earlier this week that the AAC might only be a one-bid conference for the NCAA tourney. My mood then turned to despair when I read that most experts rank UC football’s recruiting class as only 8th best in the conference. How depressing. A 42-7 embarrassment on national television after being shellacked by South Florida will cause recruits to consider other schools. In a conference filled with upcoming dynamic coaches, UC is going to be hard pressed to return to the top of the conference next year unless we somehow re-define “dynamic” as being unprepared, bewildered, and underwhelming. If we can change the definition, we will have the most dynamic coach in the AAC in spades.

That said, best wishes to linebacker Ty Sponseller as he heads from Mason to Clifton. I am looking forward to watching him play

(02-04-2016 07:55 PM)Pony94 Wrote:  

(02-04-2016 07:46 PM)BearcatJerry Wrote:  

(02-04-2016 11:18 AM)JesseTU Wrote:  Or, its possible that nearly every open records request is delayed, fought, unnecessarily rejected, etc.

Or, they don't want to admit they have been trying to sell themselves to the Big 12 in case it pisses off their current league, or in case they don't get in, or in case they were told by their new overlords not to.

Or, because the admin accepted a donor plane or a Big 12 jet to go tot he conference - and think it would look bad.

Or, because there is something else in those records that would look bad. Like maybe there is some dissenting voices trying to get into the ACC, and the school doesn't want to piss off the Big 12 if they actually came knocking.

Or, because it gets people talking about Cinci football in the off season, so sweet!

Yeah... You know what?

UC is not worried about "pissing off the current league." This conference already doesn't do us any favors and doesn't help us out. The officiating is already either so bad--or perhaps even is already slanted against UC--that UC has suffered injury and loss because of it, UC was pressured into surrendering portions of the Big East Conference exit fees to schools that never were members of the Big East, and the AAC leadership has been conspicuously quiet about UC while touting other members. So... yeah...we don't really care much about "pissing off" the AAC. There's nothing to lose there.

Better get used to us

Your tune sure changed.