The biggest problem I have with UC's stadium is they can't expand it past its current capacity. I know they'll never compete with the Bengals but 50k would be a solid final size imo.

But I can also understand that if need be, Paul Brown is there for a game that will draw in excess of 50k.

(01-28-2016 08:56 PM)pesik Wrote:  

(01-28-2016 08:36 PM)BearcatJerry Wrote:  

(01-28-2016 06:08 PM)pesik Wrote:  now i trash cincy for their annoying fans

dear cincy
what room do you have to talk about attendance???....you who played in a AQ league but RARELY sold out a 30k stadium

uc had lower attended games than Houston while in the big east in 2009, in 2010, in 2011, in 2012...yes that is the last 4 years of houston being in C-USA and the last 4 years of cincy being in a AQ conference on regular top 25 teams

you had NUMEROUS 20-21k games in the big east ..houston didnt do sub 25k from the late briles year till the levine years

let this sink in ON TOP 25 TEAMS IN A AQ CONFERENCE. UC COULDN'T PULL IN 25K+ "ANNOUNCED ATTENDANCE" ON ALOT OF ITS GAMES!!!!!!!

there is ONE team in this league that can pull attendance smack and that is ECU....everyone else needs to shut it..your teams are doing just as bad....UC, you are doing worse all things considered... cheers

God... Your posts make my eyes bleed and I think I lose a couple of IQ points every time I try to read them.

First...OK, you want to talk smack about UC football attendance? Fine. UC has a historical reputation as a "basketball school." Yup. So, in those years that we struggled to sell out 35k capacity Nippert (including the years we played at 60K Riverfront, off-campus), we were selling out our 12K+ basketball stadiums. Seriously. You couldn't get a seat in those years. So, if you're at least going to compare "apples to apples" we could ask...Why the heck can't UH sell out EITHER football OR basketball games? But back to your point...we had sub-20k average years ONLY through CUSA. Our attendance started to pick up in the Big East years. But one salient point with that... A NUMBER OF BE TEAMS ALSO HAD CHRONIC POOR TRAVELING FAN BASES. So, take Syracuse: in the time we (UC) were in the Big East, Syracuse had poor home FB attendance and a really weak traveling fanbase as well. That hurts your attendance numbers. But if you look at THIS year, you'll find our average attendance at 37k...so... history is history.

Second, we're talking basketball right now. And UC's attendance numbers are fine right now.

But comfort yourself however you want.

1) we did sell out our football stadium quite often, that why we increased the capacity... during the keenum years almost every game was packed to the brim...one of my worst football game experiences came when i was stuck in "Standing room only" during one of the games of that era..

we were doing etter attendance than UC those years, despite UC being a more consistent winning team, more top 25s and playing in an AQ league

But comfort yourself however you want.

2) i never said sub 20k..but around 20k-22k (which is horrible for any AQ team especially one winning)

3) and you are clearly missing the point of this...UC fans are the ones going out of their way to attack houston's attendance on an extremely high level....the point of my post is how can cincy throw stones at anyones attendance issues? and i trashed your attendance to show that point....dont twist it like im attacking UC's attendance for no reason .. if you dont want people to trash UC's attendance tell your fellow UC fans to stop throwing attendance stones

football or bball.. if you have attendance issues in any revenue sport, you honestly dont have any room to be talking

4) and ill be impressed with UC's 37k if they can do that on years that arent the reopenings of their stadium..on the average year

Pesik, I usually like debating you, but you are so far gone on this thread it is comical. The issue was Houston's crappy basketball attendance, you want to talk football, which is not the point. Now you want to say that the only reason UC had good attendance in football was opening up the renovated stadium, which is LMFAO, when you just opened a brand new stadium and do not sell it out. Your arguments are pathetic in this thread. Go to bed, you are contributing nothing but pure ridiculous homerism to this discussion.

(01-28-2016 08:42 PM)pesik Wrote:  

(01-28-2016 08:12 PM)rosewater Wrote:  

(01-28-2016 05:52 PM)pesik Wrote:  

(01-28-2016 04:23 PM)rosewater Wrote:  3 years ago Houston had an opportunity in football to get a share of second in the league. They drew 3000 in a home game against UC. Houston people do not support this university.

im going to address a few things before i just inand start heavily trash talking Cincy

we had 11k there not 3k..we'll start there (technically it was soldout, as far as ticket sales, 20k announced)

it was on an offcampus soccer stadium, and the stadium was last miunte as the game was orginially planned for relaint (the texans stadium) but for what ever reason was moved to a new small soccer arena that no one was familiar with a 20k capacity

and a share of "second" in the league?? like ANYONE cares about that..we were already eliminated from the title and were on a multigame losing streak

all things considered it wasnt that bad

http://cdn.fansided.com/wp-content/blogs...50x560.jpg

Show me a link. Thete was no 11000 there

That game in 2013 was technically a sell out (20k arena and we sold 20k tickets, the arena change just made it hard for people to attend, it was orginally scheduled for a different arena but changed something like 2 weeks prior

and like attack coog noted the weather wasnt great, it didnt rain during the game but it heavily stormed before it started and the place was muddy

and honestly it doesnt bother me if you think these excuses arent good enough....all in all its stupid to make assumptions about a teams attendance "from that one time they played in a off campus soccer stadium, the first year they had ever played in it"

Words from an impartial source.

The Coogs averaged 28,314 fans per game over seven home games, which is a 4,058 fans/game increase over the 2013 season. That actually sounds decent, given Houston's historical attendance woes. The attendance gets a boost from the 40,775 fans that showed up for the UTSA game; a large number of them did not return after witnessing that embarrassing debacle, and if you take that game out of the mix then Houston's home average falls to 26,237.

It's also worth mentioning that this average is based on tickets sold, not actual butts in the seats. This was increasingly obvious as the season wore on; the announced crowd of 23,572 for the Tulsa game was probably thrice the number of people actually in TDECU Stadium for that game. While the team's mediocre performance through the course of the season probably caused some people to stop going to the games, it's also very likely that a lot of people were so excited by the prospect of a new stadium that they brought extra seats (for example, as part of their season ticket package) that ended up going unused most of the time.

Had Tony Levine remained head coach, the Cougars would probably be looking at a steep decline in season ticket renewals in 2015 which would in turn negatively effect attendance in the coming season. That is no doubt one of the major reasons for his departure (along with the fact that, well, you can't lose to double-digit underdogs like UTSA and Tulane at home and expect to continue to have a job), but it remains to be seen if the new coach will reignite enough enthusiasm among the fanbase to keep season ticket numbers stable

And unlike Pesik, here is your source. http://indotav.blogspot.com/2014/12/2014...dance.html

I would recommend that you check out the graph that shows Houston's average attendance below 20,000 for the years 1991 through 2009. Most years thereafter the Cougars fall between 20000 and 30000. Please your attendance is not that good.

(01-28-2016 10:19 PM)rosewater Wrote:  

(01-28-2016 08:42 PM)pesik Wrote:  

(01-28-2016 08:12 PM)rosewater Wrote:  

(01-28-2016 05:52 PM)pesik Wrote:  

(01-28-2016 04:23 PM)rosewater Wrote:  3 years ago Houston had an opportunity in football to get a share of second in the league. They drew 3000 in a home game against UC. Houston people do not support this university.

im going to address a few things before i just inand start heavily trash talking Cincy

we had 11k there not 3k..we'll start there (technically it was soldout, as far as ticket sales, 20k announced)

it was on an offcampus soccer stadium, and the stadium was last miunte as the game was orginially planned for relaint (the texans stadium) but for what ever reason was moved to a new small soccer arena that no one was familiar with a 20k capacity

and a share of "second" in the league?? like ANYONE cares about that..we were already eliminated from the title and were on a multigame losing streak

all things considered it wasnt that bad

http://cdn.fansided.com/wp-content/blogs...50x560.jpg

Show me a link. Thete was no 11000 there

That game in 2013 was technically a sell out (20k arena and we sold 20k tickets, the arena change just made it hard for people to attend, it was orginally scheduled for a different arena but changed something like 2 weeks prior

and like attack coog noted the weather wasnt great, it didnt rain during the game but it heavily stormed before it started and the place was muddy

and honestly it doesnt bother me if you think these excuses arent good enough....all in all its stupid to make assumptions about a teams attendance "from that one time they played in a off campus soccer stadium, the first year they had ever played in it"

Words from an impartial source.

The Coogs averaged 28,314 fans per game over seven home games, which is a 4,058 fans/game increase over the 2013 season. That actually sounds decent, given Houston's historical attendance woes. The attendance gets a boost from the 40,775 fans that showed up for the UTSA game; a large number of them did not return after witnessing that embarrassing debacle, and if you take that game out of the mix then Houston's home average falls to 26,237.

It's also worth mentioning that this average is based on tickets sold, not actual butts in the seats. This was increasingly obvious as the season wore on; the announced crowd of 23,572 for the Tulsa game was probably thrice the number of people actually in TDECU Stadium for that game. While the team's mediocre performance through the course of the season probably caused some people to stop going to the games, it's also very likely that a lot of people were so excited by the prospect of a new stadium that they brought extra seats (for example, as part of their season ticket package) that ended up going unused most of the time.

Had Tony Levine remained head coach, the Cougars would probably be looking at a steep decline in season ticket renewals in 2015 which would in turn negatively effect attendance in the coming season. That is no doubt one of the major reasons for his departure (along with the fact that, well, you can't lose to double-digit underdogs like UTSA and Tulane at home and expect to continue to have a job), but it remains to be seen if the new coach will reignite enough enthusiasm among the fanbase to keep season ticket numbers stable

And unlike Pesik, here is your source. http://indotav.blogspot.com/2014/12/2014...dance.html

I would recommend that you check out the graph that shows Houston's average attendance below 20,000 for the years 1991 through 2009. Most years thereafter the Cougars fall between 20000 and 30000. Please your attendance is not that good.

Rose...don't post facts. It just gets in the way of Pesik's narrative....

(01-28-2016 10:20 PM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  

(01-28-2016 10:19 PM)rosewater Wrote:  

(01-28-2016 08:42 PM)pesik Wrote:  

(01-28-2016 08:12 PM)rosewater Wrote:  

(01-28-2016 05:52 PM)pesik Wrote:  im going to address a few things before i just inand start heavily trash talking Cincy

we had 11k there not 3k..we'll start there (technically it was soldout, as far as ticket sales, 20k announced)

it was on an offcampus soccer stadium, and the stadium was last miunte as the game was orginially planned for relaint (the texans stadium) but for what ever reason was moved to a new small soccer arena that no one was familiar with a 20k capacity

and a share of "second" in the league?? like ANYONE cares about that..we were already eliminated from the title and were on a multigame losing streak

all things considered it wasnt that bad

http://cdn.fansided.com/wp-content/blogs...50x560.jpg

Show me a link. Thete was no 11000 there

That game in 2013 was technically a sell out (20k arena and we sold 20k tickets, the arena change just made it hard for people to attend, it was orginally scheduled for a different arena but changed something like 2 weeks prior

and like attack coog noted the weather wasnt great, it didnt rain during the game but it heavily stormed before it started and the place was muddy

and honestly it doesnt bother me if you think these excuses arent good enough....all in all its stupid to make assumptions about a teams attendance "from that one time they played in a off campus soccer stadium, the first year they had ever played in it"

Words from an impartial source.

The Coogs averaged 28,314 fans per game over seven home games, which is a 4,058 fans/game increase over the 2013 season. That actually sounds decent, given Houston's historical attendance woes. The attendance gets a boost from the 40,775 fans that showed up for the UTSA game; a large number of them did not return after witnessing that embarrassing debacle, and if you take that game out of the mix then Houston's home average falls to 26,237.

It's also worth mentioning that this average is based on tickets sold, not actual butts in the seats. This was increasingly obvious as the season wore on; the announced crowd of 23,572 for the Tulsa game was probably thrice the number of people actually in TDECU Stadium for that game. While the team's mediocre performance through the course of the season probably caused some people to stop going to the games, it's also very likely that a lot of people were so excited by the prospect of a new stadium that they brought extra seats (for example, as part of their season ticket package) that ended up going unused most of the time.

Had Tony Levine remained head coach, the Cougars would probably be looking at a steep decline in season ticket renewals in 2015 which would in turn negatively effect attendance in the coming season. That is no doubt one of the major reasons for his departure (along with the fact that, well, you can't lose to double-digit underdogs like UTSA and Tulane at home and expect to continue to have a job), but it remains to be seen if the new coach will reignite enough enthusiasm among the fanbase to keep season ticket numbers stable

And unlike Pesik, here is your source. http://indotav.blogspot.com/2014/12/2014...dance.html

I would recommend that you check out the graph that shows Houston's average attendance below 20,000 for the years 1991 through 2009. Most years thereafter the Cougars fall between 20000 and 30000. Please your attendance is not that good.

Rose...don't post facts. It just gets in the way of Pesik's narrative....

I should know better.

(01-28-2016 09:59 PM)rtaylor Wrote:  

(01-28-2016 08:56 PM)pesik Wrote:  

(01-28-2016 08:36 PM)BearcatJerry Wrote:  

(01-28-2016 06:08 PM)pesik Wrote:  now i trash cincy for their annoying fans

dear cincy
what room do you have to talk about attendance???....you who played in a AQ league but RARELY sold out a 30k stadium

uc had lower attended games than Houston while in the big east in 2009, in 2010, in 2011, in 2012...yes that is the last 4 years of houston being in C-USA and the last 4 years of cincy being in a AQ conference on regular top 25 teams

you had NUMEROUS 20-21k games in the big east ..houston didnt do sub 25k from the late briles year till the levine years

let this sink in ON TOP 25 TEAMS IN A AQ CONFERENCE. UC COULDN'T PULL IN 25K+ "ANNOUNCED ATTENDANCE" ON ALOT OF ITS GAMES!!!!!!!

there is ONE team in this league that can pull attendance smack and that is ECU....everyone else needs to shut it..your teams are doing just as bad....UC, you are doing worse all things considered... cheers

God... Your posts make my eyes bleed and I think I lose a couple of IQ points every time I try to read them.

First...OK, you want to talk smack about UC football attendance? Fine. UC has a historical reputation as a "basketball school." Yup. So, in those years that we struggled to sell out 35k capacity Nippert (including the years we played at 60K Riverfront, off-campus), we were selling out our 12K+ basketball stadiums. Seriously. You couldn't get a seat in those years. So, if you're at least going to compare "apples to apples" we could ask...Why the heck can't UH sell out EITHER football OR basketball games? But back to your point...we had sub-20k average years ONLY through CUSA. Our attendance started to pick up in the Big East years. But one salient point with that... A NUMBER OF BE TEAMS ALSO HAD CHRONIC POOR TRAVELING FAN BASES. So, take Syracuse: in the time we (UC) were in the Big East, Syracuse had poor home FB attendance and a really weak traveling fanbase as well. That hurts your attendance numbers. But if you look at THIS year, you'll find our average attendance at 37k...so... history is history.

Second, we're talking basketball right now. And UC's attendance numbers are fine right now.

But comfort yourself however you want.

1) we did sell out our football stadium quite often, that why we increased the capacity... during the keenum years almost every game was packed to the brim...one of my worst football game experiences came when i was stuck in "Standing room only" during one of the games of that era..

we were doing etter attendance than UC those years, despite UC being a more consistent winning team, more top 25s and playing in an AQ league

But comfort yourself however you want.

2) i never said sub 20k..but around 20k-22k (which is horrible for any AQ team especially one winning)

3) and you are clearly missing the point of this...UC fans are the ones going out of their way to attack houston's attendance on an extremely high level....the point of my post is how can cincy throw stones at anyones attendance issues? and i trashed your attendance to show that point....dont twist it like im attacking UC's attendance for no reason .. if you dont want people to trash UC's attendance tell your fellow UC fans to stop throwing attendance stones

football or bball.. if you have attendance issues in any revenue sport, you honestly dont have any room to be talking

4) and ill be impressed with UC's 37k if they can do that on years that arent the reopenings of their stadium..on the average year

Pesik, I usually like debating you, but you are so far gone on this thread it is comical. The issue was Houston's crappy basketball attendance, you want to talk football, which is not the point. Now you want to say that the only reason UC had good attendance in football was opening up the renovated stadium, which is LMFAO, when you just opened a brand new stadium and do not sell it out. Your arguments are pathetic in this thread. Go to bed, you are contributing nothing but pure ridiculous homerism to this discussion.

you didnt sellout every game on your stadium renovation

uc defintely got a boost this year, same way we got a boost in 2013, we finished over 30k in 2013.... if we had lost the first game to utsa any other year we'd have been 25k

and i cant tell tell if your trying to be troll or just being ignorant of the point...
YOUR HOMERISM!!!! = lets ignore football because we are bad in football and anyone trying to point that out is trying to change the topic
but we are going to specifically stick to basketball because we (UC) has decent bball attendacne

i have ZERO interest in playing by your biased rules meant to hide UC pathetic attendance struggles but give you the ability to attack others....hear me out now..CINCY HAS HORRID FAN SUPPORT.....PATHATIC...if you had a decent fanbase you wouldnt be here in the aac..but your fanbase is bad...
Houston had better fan support on worse teams in a non-aq league ....

i cant stand homerism, but i espeically cant stand people using homerism to cover thier own obvious homerism

you are making statements to the notion "Houston doesnt care about your university of houston" "you live in a big city but cant get people to come to your games"...you are making statements to insult our entire university, our entire fanbase, our enitre fan support..but then forcing us to only use bball as the definer ..when that is clearly the #2 sport in defining fan support

i have no no interest in playing your silly trash talking games, fix your own house before you open your mouth....and when UC is back to doing 25k next year in football..ill be making numerous threads to trash UC....cheers in advance

(01-28-2016 10:19 PM)rosewater Wrote:  

(01-28-2016 08:42 PM)pesik Wrote:  

(01-28-2016 08:12 PM)rosewater Wrote:  

(01-28-2016 05:52 PM)pesik Wrote:  

(01-28-2016 04:23 PM)rosewater Wrote:  3 years ago Houston had an opportunity in football to get a share of second in the league. They drew 3000 in a home game against UC. Houston people do not support this university.

im going to address a few things before i just inand start heavily trash talking Cincy

we had 11k there not 3k..we'll start there (technically it was soldout, as far as ticket sales, 20k announced)

it was on an offcampus soccer stadium, and the stadium was last miunte as the game was orginially planned for relaint (the texans stadium) but for what ever reason was moved to a new small soccer arena that no one was familiar with a 20k capacity

and a share of "second" in the league?? like ANYONE cares about that..we were already eliminated from the title and were on a multigame losing streak

all things considered it wasnt that bad

http://cdn.fansided.com/wp-content/blogs...50x560.jpg

Show me a link. Thete was no 11000 there

That game in 2013 was technically a sell out (20k arena and we sold 20k tickets, the arena change just made it hard for people to attend, it was orginally scheduled for a different arena but changed something like 2 weeks prior

and like attack coog noted the weather wasnt great, it didnt rain during the game but it heavily stormed before it started and the place was muddy

and honestly it doesnt bother me if you think these excuses arent good enough....all in all its stupid to make assumptions about a teams attendance "from that one time they played in a off campus soccer stadium, the first year they had ever played in it"

Words from an impartial source.

The Coogs averaged 28,314 fans per game over seven home games, which is a 4,058 fans/game increase over the 2013 season. That actually sounds decent, given Houston's historical attendance woes. The attendance gets a boost from the 40,775 fans that showed up for the UTSA game; a large number of them did not return after witnessing that embarrassing debacle, and if you take that game out of the mix then Houston's home average falls to 26,237.

It's also worth mentioning that this average is based on tickets sold, not actual butts in the seats. This was increasingly obvious as the season wore on; the announced crowd of 23,572 for the Tulsa game was probably thrice the number of people actually in TDECU Stadium for that game. While the team's mediocre performance through the course of the season probably caused some people to stop going to the games, it's also very likely that a lot of people were so excited by the prospect of a new stadium that they brought extra seats (for example, as part of their season ticket package) that ended up going unused most of the time.

Had Tony Levine remained head coach, the Cougars would probably be looking at a steep decline in season ticket renewals in 2015 which would in turn negatively effect attendance in the coming season. That is no doubt one of the major reasons for his departure (along with the fact that, well, you can't lose to double-digit underdogs like UTSA and Tulane at home and expect to continue to have a job), but it remains to be seen if the new coach will reignite enough enthusiasm among the fanbase to keep season ticket numbers stable

And unlike Pesik, here is your source. http://indotav.blogspot.com/2014/12/2014...dance.html

I would recommend that you check out the graph that shows Houston's average attendance below 20,000 for the years 1991 through 2009. Most years thereafter the Cougars fall between 20000 and 30000. Please your attendance is not that good.

so you just stated excatly what i said...

1) no one said our football attendance was amazing, but in the keenum years while in c-usa we were better than UC in the big east, dramatically better if you consider our situations (leagues and wins)

2) ive noted "keenum years" and end of "briles to levine" numerous times in my response...and even specifically noted the years in 1 post...im well aware of what houston attendance is...im not sure UC fans are aware of what UCs attendance is

3) i never denied that we got a boost from the stadium opening, im noting that UC got one aswell

(01-28-2016 11:07 PM)pesik Wrote:  

(01-28-2016 09:59 PM)rtaylor Wrote:  

(01-28-2016 08:56 PM)pesik Wrote:  

(01-28-2016 08:36 PM)BearcatJerry Wrote:  

(01-28-2016 06:08 PM)pesik Wrote:  now i trash cincy for their annoying fans

dear cincy
what room do you have to talk about attendance???....you who played in a AQ league but RARELY sold out a 30k stadium

uc had lower attended games than Houston while in the big east in 2009, in 2010, in 2011, in 2012...yes that is the last 4 years of houston being in C-USA and the last 4 years of cincy being in a AQ conference on regular top 25 teams

you had NUMEROUS 20-21k games in the big east ..houston didnt do sub 25k from the late briles year till the levine years

let this sink in ON TOP 25 TEAMS IN A AQ CONFERENCE. UC COULDN'T PULL IN 25K+ "ANNOUNCED ATTENDANCE" ON ALOT OF ITS GAMES!!!!!!!

there is ONE team in this league that can pull attendance smack and that is ECU....everyone else needs to shut it..your teams are doing just as bad....UC, you are doing worse all things considered... cheers

God... Your posts make my eyes bleed and I think I lose a couple of IQ points every time I try to read them.

First...OK, you want to talk smack about UC football attendance? Fine. UC has a historical reputation as a "basketball school." Yup. So, in those years that we struggled to sell out 35k capacity Nippert (including the years we played at 60K Riverfront, off-campus), we were selling out our 12K+ basketball stadiums. Seriously. You couldn't get a seat in those years. So, if you're at least going to compare "apples to apples" we could ask...Why the heck can't UH sell out EITHER football OR basketball games? But back to your point...we had sub-20k average years ONLY through CUSA. Our attendance started to pick up in the Big East years. But one salient point with that... A NUMBER OF BE TEAMS ALSO HAD CHRONIC POOR TRAVELING FAN BASES. So, take Syracuse: in the time we (UC) were in the Big East, Syracuse had poor home FB attendance and a really weak traveling fanbase as well. That hurts your attendance numbers. But if you look at THIS year, you'll find our average attendance at 37k...so... history is history.

Second, we're talking basketball right now. And UC's attendance numbers are fine right now.

But comfort yourself however you want.

1) we did sell out our football stadium quite often, that why we increased the capacity... during the keenum years almost every game was packed to the brim...one of my worst football game experiences came when i was stuck in "Standing room only" during one of the games of that era..

we were doing etter attendance than UC those years, despite UC being a more consistent winning team, more top 25s and playing in an AQ league

But comfort yourself however you want.

2) i never said sub 20k..but around 20k-22k (which is horrible for any AQ team especially one winning)

3) and you are clearly missing the point of this...UC fans are the ones going out of their way to attack houston's attendance on an extremely high level....the point of my post is how can cincy throw stones at anyones attendance issues? and i trashed your attendance to show that point....dont twist it like im attacking UC's attendance for no reason .. if you dont want people to trash UC's attendance tell your fellow UC fans to stop throwing attendance stones

football or bball.. if you have attendance issues in any revenue sport, you honestly dont have any room to be talking

4) and ill be impressed with UC's 37k if they can do that on years that arent the reopenings of their stadium..on the average year

Pesik, I usually like debating you, but you are so far gone on this thread it is comical. The issue was Houston's crappy basketball attendance, you want to talk football, which is not the point. Now you want to say that the only reason UC had good attendance in football was opening up the renovated stadium, which is LMFAO, when you just opened a brand new stadium and do not sell it out. Your arguments are pathetic in this thread. Go to bed, you are contributing nothing but pure ridiculous homerism to this discussion.

you didnt sellout every game on your stadium renovation

uc defintely got a boost this year, same way we got a boost in 2013, we finished over 30k in 2013.... if we had lost the first game to utsa any other year we'd have been 25k

and i cant tell tell if your trying to be troll or just being ignorant of the point...
YOUR HOMERISM!!!! = lets ignore football because we are bad in football and anyone trying to point that out is trying to change the topic
but we are going to specifically stick to basketball because we (UC) has decent bball attendacne

i have ZERO interest in playing by your biased rules meant to hide UC pathetic attendance struggles but give you the ability to attack others....hear me out now..CINCY HAS HORRID FAN SUPPORT.....PATHATIC...if you had a decent fanbase you wouldnt be here in the aac..but your fanbase is bad...
Houston had better fan support on worse teams in a non-aq league ....

i cant stand homerism, but i espeically cant stand people using homerism to cover thier own obvious homerism

you are making statements to the notion "Houston doesnt care about your university of houston" "you live in a big city but cant get people to come to your games"...you are making statements to insult our entire university, our entire fanbase, our enitre fan support..but then forcing us to only use bball as the definer ..when that is clearly the #2 sport in defining fan support

i have no no interest in playing your silly trash talking games, fix your own house before you open your mouth....and when UC is back to doing 25k next year in football..ill be making numerous threads to trash UC....cheers in advance

Holy crap, you are a moron. For the last time, the discussion was about Houston's crappy basketball attendance. WTF are you talking about. We are not talking about football, where UC still crushes your pansy a$$ school in attendance. What do you not get? Are you a freaking idiot? Basketball attendance was the discussion, not football, not burgers, not houses, basketball attendance. Good lord you can't possibly be this much of an idiot, it is like talking to 3 year old. Stop changing the subject.

(01-28-2016 11:52 PM)rtaylor Wrote:  Holy crap, you are a moron. For the last time, the discussion was about Houston's crappy basketball attendance. WTF are you talking about. We are not talking about football, where UC still crushes your pansy a$$ school in attendance. What do you not get? Are you a freaking idiot? Basketball attendance was the discussion, not football, not burgers, not houses, basketball attendance. Good lord you can't possibly be this much of an idiot, it is like talking to 3 year old. Stop changing the subject.

are you an idiot?

some scenrios to simplify this for you
if UC basketball cant build a basketball facility they want becuase of money. and there is an article about houston owing 70 million in bad debt from football

if Houston fans start trash talking UC saying the are poor and cant upgrade their facilities..is it not 100% in connection and 100% justifiable to call out houson fans on their school being poor aswell with the bad football debth

houston saying "we are talking about basketball facilities " and calling anyone dumb or an idiot for refering to the football debt...doesnt change the fact that houston has no room to call out Cincy ball

it is one athletic program, it is one fanbase, it is one school

you are in your idiot troll mode now
but if uc had 5k bball attendance 50k football and Memphis had 12k bball and 17k football..if a memphis fan tried to call out a cincy fan on bball attendance 100% of cincy fans including rtalyor in this scenario would call them back out on the football attendance
your definition of idiot is the common sense response

(01-29-2016 12:17 AM)pesik Wrote:  

(01-28-2016 11:52 PM)rtaylor Wrote:  Holy crap, you are a moron. For the last time, the discussion was about Houston's crappy basketball attendance. WTF are you talking about. We are not talking about football, where UC still crushes your pansy a$$ school in attendance. What do you not get? Are you a freaking idiot? Basketball attendance was the discussion, not football, not burgers, not houses, basketball attendance. Good lord you can't possibly be this much of an idiot, it is like talking to 3 year old. Stop changing the subject.

are you an idiot?

some scenrios to simplify this for you
if UC basketball cant build a basketball facility they want becuase of money. and there is an article about houston owing 70 million in bad debt from football

if Houston fans start trash talking UC saying the are poor and cant upgrade their facilities..is it not 100% in connection and 100% justifiable to call out houson fans on their school being poor aswell with the bad football debth

houston saying "we are talking about basketball facilities " and calling anyone dumb or an idiot for refering to the football debt...doesnt change the fact that houston has no room to call out Cincy ball

it is one athletic program, it is one fanbase, it is one school

you are in your idiot troll mode now
but if uc had 5k bball attendance 50k football and Memphis had 12k bball and 17k football..if a memphis fan tried to call out a cincy fan on bball attendance 100% of cincy fans including rtalyor in this scenario would call them back out on the football attendance
your definition of idiot is the common sense response

No clue what you are trying to say. Can anyone translate what the f@ck Pesik is saying?

Oh, look. A game thread turns into an attendance smack thread.

(01-28-2016 11:16 PM)pesik Wrote:  

(01-28-2016 10:19 PM)rosewater Wrote:  

(01-28-2016 08:42 PM)pesik Wrote:  

(01-28-2016 08:12 PM)rosewater Wrote:  

(01-28-2016 05:52 PM)pesik Wrote:  im going to address a few things before i just inand start heavily trash talking Cincy

we had 11k there not 3k..we'll start there (technically it was soldout, as far as ticket sales, 20k announced)

it was on an offcampus soccer stadium, and the stadium was last miunte as the game was orginially planned for relaint (the texans stadium) but for what ever reason was moved to a new small soccer arena that no one was familiar with a 20k capacity

and a share of "second" in the league?? like ANYONE cares about that..we were already eliminated from the title and were on a multigame losing streak

all things considered it wasnt that bad

http://cdn.fansided.com/wp-content/blogs...50x560.jpg

Show me a link. Thete was no 11000 there

That game in 2013 was technically a sell out (20k arena and we sold 20k tickets, the arena change just made it hard for people to attend, it was orginally scheduled for a different arena but changed something like 2 weeks prior

and like attack coog noted the weather wasnt great, it didnt rain during the game but it heavily stormed before it started and the place was muddy

and honestly it doesnt bother me if you think these excuses arent good enough....all in all its stupid to make assumptions about a teams attendance "from that one time they played in a off campus soccer stadium, the first year they had ever played in it"

Words from an impartial source.

The Coogs averaged 28,314 fans per game over seven home games, which is a 4,058 fans/game increase over the 2013 season. That actually sounds decent, given Houston's historical attendance woes. The attendance gets a boost from the 40,775 fans that showed up for the UTSA game; a large number of them did not return after witnessing that embarrassing debacle, and if you take that game out of the mix then Houston's home average falls to 26,237.

It's also worth mentioning that this average is based on tickets sold, not actual butts in the seats. This was increasingly obvious as the season wore on; the announced crowd of 23,572 for the Tulsa game was probably thrice the number of people actually in TDECU Stadium for that game. While the team's mediocre performance through the course of the season probably caused some people to stop going to the games, it's also very likely that a lot of people were so excited by the prospect of a new stadium that they brought extra seats (for example, as part of their season ticket package) that ended up going unused most of the time.

Had Tony Levine remained head coach, the Cougars would probably be looking at a steep decline in season ticket renewals in 2015 which would in turn negatively effect attendance in the coming season. That is no doubt one of the major reasons for his departure (along with the fact that, well, you can't lose to double-digit underdogs like UTSA and Tulane at home and expect to continue to have a job), but it remains to be seen if the new coach will reignite enough enthusiasm among the fanbase to keep season ticket numbers stable

And unlike Pesik, here is your source. http://indotav.blogspot.com/2014/12/2014...dance.html

I would recommend that you check out the graph that shows Houston's average attendance below 20,000 for the years 1991 through 2009. Most years thereafter the Cougars fall between 20000 and 30000. Please your attendance is not that good.

so you just stated excatly what i said...

1) no one said our football attendance was amazing, but in the keenum years while in c-usa we were better than UC in the big east, dramatically better if you consider our situations (leagues and wins)

2) ive noted "keenum years" and end of "briles to levine" numerous times in my response...and even specifically noted the years in 1 post...im well aware of what houston attendance is...im not sure UC fans are aware of what UCs attendance is

3) i never denied that we got a boost from the stadium opening, im noting that UC got one aswell

You may want to look at Kronke posts. UC attendance is not good in football either, but it is better than Houstons. Statistics show this. Your basketball attendance is abysmal. You know this. There is no other way to argue this.

(01-28-2016 11:07 PM)pesik Wrote:  

(01-28-2016 09:59 PM)rtaylor Wrote:  

(01-28-2016 08:56 PM)pesik Wrote:  

(01-28-2016 08:36 PM)BearcatJerry Wrote:  

(01-28-2016 06:08 PM)pesik Wrote:  now i trash cincy for their annoying fans

dear cincy
what room do you have to talk about attendance???....you who played in a AQ league but RARELY sold out a 30k stadium

uc had lower attended games than Houston while in the big east in 2009, in 2010, in 2011, in 2012...yes that is the last 4 years of houston being in C-USA and the last 4 years of cincy being in a AQ conference on regular top 25 teams

you had NUMEROUS 20-21k games in the big east ..houston didnt do sub 25k from the late briles year till the levine years

let this sink in ON TOP 25 TEAMS IN A AQ CONFERENCE. UC COULDN'T PULL IN 25K+ "ANNOUNCED ATTENDANCE" ON ALOT OF ITS GAMES!!!!!!!

there is ONE team in this league that can pull attendance smack and that is ECU....everyone else needs to shut it..your teams are doing just as bad....UC, you are doing worse all things considered... cheers

God... Your posts make my eyes bleed and I think I lose a couple of IQ points every time I try to read them.

First...OK, you want to talk smack about UC football attendance? Fine. UC has a historical reputation as a "basketball school." Yup. So, in those years that we struggled to sell out 35k capacity Nippert (including the years we played at 60K Riverfront, off-campus), we were selling out our 12K+ basketball stadiums. Seriously. You couldn't get a seat in those years. So, if you're at least going to compare "apples to apples" we could ask...Why the heck can't UH sell out EITHER football OR basketball games? But back to your point...we had sub-20k average years ONLY through CUSA. Our attendance started to pick up in the Big East years. But one salient point with that... A NUMBER OF BE TEAMS ALSO HAD CHRONIC POOR TRAVELING FAN BASES. So, take Syracuse: in the time we (UC) were in the Big East, Syracuse had poor home FB attendance and a really weak traveling fanbase as well. That hurts your attendance numbers. But if you look at THIS year, you'll find our average attendance at 37k...so... history is history.

Second, we're talking basketball right now. And UC's attendance numbers are fine right now.

But comfort yourself however you want.

1) we did sell out our football stadium quite often, that why we increased the capacity... during the keenum years almost every game was packed to the brim...one of my worst football game experiences came when i was stuck in "Standing room only" during one of the games of that era..

we were doing etter attendance than UC those years, despite UC being a more consistent winning team, more top 25s and playing in an AQ league

But comfort yourself however you want.

2) i never said sub 20k..but around 20k-22k (which is horrible for any AQ team especially one winning)

3) and you are clearly missing the point of this...UC fans are the ones going out of their way to attack houston's attendance on an extremely high level....the point of my post is how can cincy throw stones at anyones attendance issues? and i trashed your attendance to show that point....dont twist it like im attacking UC's attendance for no reason .. if you dont want people to trash UC's attendance tell your fellow UC fans to stop throwing attendance stones

football or bball.. if you have attendance issues in any revenue sport, you honestly dont have any room to be talking

4) and ill be impressed with UC's 37k if they can do that on years that arent the reopenings of their stadium..on the average year

Pesik, I usually like debating you, but you are so far gone on this thread it is comical. The issue was Houston's crappy basketball attendance, you want to talk football, which is not the point. Now you want to say that the only reason UC had good attendance in football was opening up the renovated stadium, which is LMFAO, when you just opened a brand new stadium and do not sell it out. Your arguments are pathetic in this thread. Go to bed, you are contributing nothing but pure ridiculous homerism to this discussion.

you didnt sellout every game on your stadium renovation

uc defintely got a boost this year, same way we got a boost in 2013, we finished over 30k in 2013.... if we had lost the first game to utsa any other year we'd have been 25k

and i cant tell tell if your trying to be troll or just being ignorant of the point...
YOUR HOMERISM!!!! = lets ignore football because we are bad in football and anyone trying to point that out is trying to change the topic
but we are going to specifically stick to basketball because we (UC) has decent bball attendacne

i have ZERO interest in playing by your biased rules meant to hide UC pathetic attendance struggles but give you the ability to attack others....hear me out now..CINCY HAS HORRID FAN SUPPORT.....PATHATIC...if you had a decent fanbase you wouldnt be here in the aac..but your fanbase is bad...
Houston had better fan support on worse teams in a non-aq league ....

i cant stand homerism, but i espeically cant stand people using homerism to cover thier own obvious homerism

you are making statements to the notion "Houston doesnt care about your university of houston" "you live in a big city but cant get people to come to your games"...you are making statements to insult our entire university, our entire fanbase, our enitre fan support..but then forcing us to only use bball as the definer ..when that is clearly the #2 sport in defining fan support

i have no no interest in playing your silly trash talking games, fix your own house before you open your mouth....and when UC is back to doing 25k next year in football..ill be making numerous threads to trash UC....cheers in advance

So, so many things wrong here, but the simplest of which to point out is when you say Houston has had better fan support. I'm not sure that's ever been true in basketball (and I would doubt it), and I think you would have to go back to the SWC days to find it in football.

In the last 10 years, UH has outdrawn UC once (in 2006). UC has outdrawn UH by an average of 5,000 over the past 10 years. If you narrow it down to just in the AAC, the average drops to 3,200, but that's pretty sad considering the perceived upgrade for UH vs the downgrade perception from UC. The only other time they even came close to outdrawing UC was 2014, when UC was playing a displaced season downtown and UH was opening a new stadium. Think about how sad that is. UH couldn't even outdraw UC with their brand new facility and with UC playing in a graveyard stadium.

Just stop with the nonsense. UC has their own fair share of issues concerning support, but UC is a well supported athletic program as it stands currently, and is heads and shoulders above UH.

Even their baseball team, which SO many UH fans claim to love so much more than basketball, can only draw a 1.5k average. And there are barely more home baseball games than home basketball games.

Just stop, you are over your head desperately swinging at anyone that comes close and you are wrong, wrong, wrong.

(01-29-2016 11:33 AM)stxrunner Wrote:  So, so many things wrong here, but the simplest of which to point out is when you say Houston has had better fan support. I'm not sure that's ever been true in basketball (and I would doubt it), and I think you would have to go back to the SWC days to find it in football.

In the last 10 years, UH has outdrawn UC once (in 2006). UC has outdrawn UH by an average of 5,000 over the past 10 years. If you narrow it down to just in the AAC, the average drops to 3,200, but that's pretty sad considering the perceived upgrade for UH vs the downgrade perception from UC. The only other time they even came close to outdrawing UC was 2014, when UC was playing a displaced season downtown and UH was opening a new stadium. Think about how sad that is. UH couldn't even outdraw UC with their brand new facility and with UC playing in a graveyard stadium.

Just stop with the nonsense. UC has their own fair share of issues concerning support, but UC is a well supported athletic program as it stands currently, and is heads and shoulders above UH.

Even their baseball team, which SO many UH fans claim to love so much more than basketball, can only draw a 1.5k average. And there are barely more home baseball games than home basketball games.

Just stop, you are over your head desperately swinging at anyone that comes close and you are wrong, wrong, wrong.

amazing time frame choose include the years when we sucked and werent winning much, i noted post 2009 and coming off the worst era in uh football

from 09 to 2012 our last 4 years in c-usa, cincy last 4 years in the big east you averaged maybe 1k more than us..and you were in an AQ league

and THE ONLY REASON you drew 1k more was our stadium capacity..THE ONLY REASON

and congrats you drew 400 more on the year we opened our stadium, a year that got our coach fired and and had us lose to a fcs transitioning team game 1

so we are clear the number was cincy drew 28k....28k on a year they won the conference championship..applause

continue to pick manipulative time frames to try and boost cincy all you want.. i can guarantee you if Houston finished top 25 as much as cincy did in football playing in an AQ league in a stadium that had 35k capacity..our attendance would have been dramatically better than cincys

it doesnt change the fact you had games less attended than any UH game in that period

nothing like a 10 win team in a power league drawing 21k late in the season (2012)
nothing like a top 25 team in a power league drawing 27k way late in the season and 2 games sub 25k (2011)
honestly WVU fans carried you 2011 AVERAGE lol...

lol cincy can add our 3 win years to the average but it doesnt hide the fact you were winning and didnt draw

(01-29-2016 12:07 PM)pesik Wrote:  

(01-29-2016 11:33 AM)stxrunner Wrote:  So, so many things wrong here, but the simplest of which to point out is when you say Houston has had better fan support. I'm not sure that's ever been true in basketball (and I would doubt it), and I think you would have to go back to the SWC days to find it in football.

In the last 10 years, UH has outdrawn UC once (in 2006). UC has outdrawn UH by an average of 5,000 over the past 10 years. If you narrow it down to just in the AAC, the average drops to 3,200, but that's pretty sad considering the perceived upgrade for UH vs the downgrade perception from UC. The only other time they even came close to outdrawing UC was 2014, when UC was playing a displaced season downtown and UH was opening a new stadium. Think about how sad that is. UH couldn't even outdraw UC with their brand new facility and with UC playing in a graveyard stadium.

Just stop with the nonsense. UC has their own fair share of issues concerning support, but UC is a well supported athletic program as it stands currently, and is heads and shoulders above UH.

Even their baseball team, which SO many UH fans claim to love so much more than basketball, can only draw a 1.5k average. And there are barely more home baseball games than home basketball games.

Just stop, you are over your head desperately swinging at anyone that comes close and you are wrong, wrong, wrong.

amazing time frame choose include the years when we sucked and werent winning much, i noted post 2009 and coming off the worst era in uh football

from 09 to 2012 our last 4 years in c-usa, cincy last 4 years in the big east you averaged maybe 1k more than us..and you were in an AQ league

and THE ONLY REASON you drew 1k more was our stadium capacity..THE ONLY REASON

and congrats you drew 400 more on the year we opened our stadium, a year that got our coach fired and and had us lose to a fcs transitioning team game 1

so we are clear the number was cincy drew 28k....28k on a year they won the conference championship..applause

continue to pick manipulative time frames to try and boost cincy all you want.. i can guarantee you if Houston finished top 25 as much as cincy did in football playing in an AQ league in a stadium that had 35k capacity..our attendance would have been dramatically better than cincys

it doesnt change the fact you had games less attended than any UH game in that period

nothing like a 10 win team in a power league drawing 21k late in the season (2012)
nothing like a top 25 team in a power league drawing 27k way late in the season and 2 games sub 25k (2011)
honestly WVU fans carried you 2011 AVERAGE lol...

lol cincy can add our 3 win years to the average but it doesnt hide the fact you were winning and didnt draw

I only picked that era because I went back to the last season UH actually outdrew UC, so I wasn't cherrypicking anything.

And again, your numbers are off. From 2009 to 2012, UC out drew UH by an average of 3,643 per season.

In 2010, UC went 4-8. Drew 35k average. I understand UH is limited by capacity, but then why in one of the best seasons in UH history, did UH still only average 33k in a brand new stadium now at 40k?

UC's issues with Nippert affected attendance during the years you are quoting because the stadium was a logistical nightmare due to the age and setup. Only way to draw big crowds was huge games, not runner up late season clashes with Syracuse.

That still doesn't explain why UC can average 10k consistently in basketball, while UH averages about 3k and 1.5k in basketball/baseball. If you added both sports together, you still wouldn't match UC's support.

So, in summary, UH doesn't match UC's support in football (although it's closer), and can't come close to matching the basketball support in the other sports combined (which, counting baseball is dubious at best anyway). And by the way, UC hasn't been in the Top 25 in 4 years so the whole winning argument is kind of out the window. UC fans are obviously frustrated with the program. Not sure of your argument here.

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Can't disagree. Neither I nor pesik should be trying to get in a 'member' measuring contest. Truth is, we all have one issue or another. Arguing about it isn't helping.

Obviously, I'm guilty.