(01-19-2016 03:20 PM)YNot Wrote:  

(01-19-2016 02:24 PM)bullet Wrote:  Footprint is overrated. It only matters if you have a captive audience like the conference networks. People watch TCU. People don't watch Rutgers.

Digital footprint will rule the day. Which candidates will deliver the best ratings? Which candidates will bring the most subscriptions to the Big 12 network?

FWIW:

NON-P5 MATCHUPS
Army v. Navy - 7.129M viewers
Navy @ Houston - 3.05M viewers

Cincinnati @ BYU - 1.46M viewers
UConn @ BYU - 1.24M viewers
Cincinnati @ Memphis - 1.24M viewers
Memphis @ Tulsa - 1.216M viewers
Memphis @ USF - 1.15M viewers
Temple @ SMU - 1.08M viewers
Boise St. @ BYU - 1.027M viewers

Air Force @ Boise St. - 966K viewers
NIU @ Toledo - 856K viewers
Memphis @ Houston - 748K viewers
Temple @ ECU - 679K viewers
ECU @ UCF - 669K viewers
Navy @ Memphis - 653K viewers
WMU @ NIU - 630K viewers

Cincinnati @ Houston - 396K viewers
Houston @ UConn - 373K viewers
Memphis @ Temple - 279K viewers
UConn @ Temple - 278K viewers
ECU @ BYU - 273K viewers
Army @ Air Force - 248K viewers

ECU @ UConn - 188K viewers
Houston @ UCF - 171K viewers
Temple @ Cincinnati - 166K viewers
USF @ UConn - 121K viewers
UConn @ UCF - 111K viewers
UCF @ Cincinnati - 101K viewers

OTHER NOTABLE RATINGS

Notre Dame @ Temple- 5.97M viewers
Ole Miss @ Memphis - 3.31M viewers
BYU @ Nebraska - 3.13M viewers
BYU @ Michigan - 3.07M viewers
Navy v. Notre Dame - 2.63M viewers
Air Force @ Michigan ST. - 2.53M viewers
USF @ Florida ST. - 2.21M viewers
Washington @ Boise St. - 2.05M viewers
Penn St. @ Temple - 1.91M viewers
UConn @ Missouri - 1.90M viewers
Boise St. @ Virginia - 1.75M viewers
Miami @ Cincinnati - 1.34M viewers
ECU @ Florida - 1.04M viewers
BYU @ UCLA - 946K viewers
ECU @ Virginia Tech - 579K viewers (mirror with WMU @ OSU - 3.721M viewers)
UCF @ S. Carolina - 380K viewers
USF @ Maryland - 293K viewers
UCF @ Stanford - 151K viewers

So close to that cool Mill with MACtion NIU... so close

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WVU needs to be in the ACC...

(01-20-2016 07:27 PM)TexanMark Wrote:  WVU needs to be in the ACC...

Agreed. But good luck convincing the Carolina "blue" bloods that they should be in a conference with a bunch of backwoods mountain hicks. Which is how they view WVU.

WVU would have been an easy replacement for Maryland, but alas, they jumped the musket.

(01-20-2016 07:27 PM)TexanMark Wrote:  WVU needs to be in the ACC...

Normally, I'd classify myself as an academic snob, but I agree. WVU needs to be in the ACC. Everyone involved would be better off.

I'll bite on this one. It the Big 12 decides to expand to 12, my first calls would to be to BYU for football only and Cincinnati for all sports. As long as BYU gets paid as much as they do now or a little better, they can keep their Olympic sports in the WCC, they can continue to show their home non-con FB games on the BYU Network and the Big 12 doesn't have to deal with their Sunday scheduling limitations. Cincinnati expands the footprint into a populous state with very good high school football and helps WVU out. Right now the Repulic of Texas is the recruiting lifeblood of the Big 12; adding Ohio into the mix helps.

If the Big 12 wants to go to 14, then the conference needs to throw Texas a bone. Let UT pick #13 and my guess it would be Houston so they have another school beholden to them in internal Texas politics so would vote their way when needed. As for #14, one can make a case for Tulane (academics and a good football state), Memphis (geography and decent football state), USF/UCF (market and excellent football recruiting grounds) or UConn (excellent BB and a possible entry into the NYC market).

(01-20-2016 10:37 AM)bullet Wrote:  

(01-19-2016 09:42 PM)Pervis_Griffith Wrote:  I have no inside info, nor do I have a dog in this fight ...

But if the Big XII adds two soon (within the next year)--- I think it'll be:

Cincinnati -- to fill in some geography with WVU (who clearly wants some geography fill in); to add a decent market in a big state; who's invested heavily in their two main sports facilities; who's had recent sustained success in football; and who is very respectable academically.

and

Houston -- despite the seeming overlap in geography, Houston helps lock down a market that is gi-normous; the football program is picking up at the right time; invested in facilities; and probably most importantly, has a history with existing members of the Big XII.


There are other schools that deserve better, but again --- if the Big XII had to move soon, I think they go this way.

I guess we'll see.

I think those two would be the two if they add soon. They seem determined not to go west. The longer they take, the better chance BYU has. That would give that initial decision not to go west a chance to break down when looking at how far ahead of the rest BYU is.

Memphis probably gets scored down on the academic test. They also don't have the resources of some of the other schools.

There is absolutely zero chance they take UCF soon after an 0-12 season.

All 3 of those also just lost their coaches.

UConn really doesn't make sense and USF has never shown any ability to be good on a regular basis in football or basketball.

+2. If they make a move soon, I think Cincinnati and Houston will get the nod.

Here's a thought (extremely far-fetched and that can't be overstated) but what if the Big 12 decided to kick out West Virginia and consolidate their footprint with Houston or another nearby school?

(01-23-2016 10:36 PM)GE and MTS Wrote:  Here's a thought (extremely far-fetched and that can't be overstated) but what if the Big 12 decided to kick out West Virginia and consolidate their footprint with Houston or another nearby school?

That would be an incredibly stupid move for the Big12 to make, so I suppose it is possible

Big 12 will only expand 2 increase their
Recruiting footprint &/or TV market share

Currently, Big 12 will NOT/NEVER expand
IF current team members
have to give up or reduce
their current revenues ($28-30 million per yr)

One option that has been discussed:
IF FOX is willing to raise their yrly
TV Contract up to say 20-30 million more per yr.
Would 2 New Additional teams B willing
to join Big 12 @ substantially reduced
rate as compared to the other 10 teams?

That’s why only:
Cinn, BYU (F-ball only), U Conn, Temple,
Memphis, & UCF/USF would B in the mix

Houston offers ZERO benefit to the Big 12
NO recruiting advantage &
NO additional TV market share

(01-23-2016 10:36 PM)GE and MTS Wrote:  Here's a thought (extremely far-fetched and that can't be overstated) but what if the Big 12 decided to kick out West Virginia and consolidate their footprint with Houston or another nearby school?

Colorado State might be acceptable along with Memphis and New Mexico. All three have winning basketball programs, and all 3 went to bowl games last year.

(01-20-2016 07:32 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(01-20-2016 07:27 PM)TexanMark Wrote:  WVU needs to be in the ACC...

Agreed. But good luck convincing the Carolina "blue" bloods that they should be in a conference with a bunch of backwoods mountain hicks. Which is how they view WVU.

I am almost positive that while they do not have a lot of friends in Carolina, their biggest enemy on the ACC, by far, was Maryland, who is now gone. Others had their issues with WV, but MD was the one so against it, you could not even really discuss the matter. Which is odd because for a long time, they played each other annually.

(01-25-2016 12:13 PM)adcorbett Wrote:  

(01-20-2016 07:32 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(01-20-2016 07:27 PM)TexanMark Wrote:  WVU needs to be in the ACC...

Agreed. But good luck convincing the Carolina "blue" bloods that they should be in a conference with a bunch of backwoods mountain hicks. Which is how they view WVU.

I am almost positive that while they do not have a lot of friends in Carolina, their biggest enemy on the ACC, by far, was Maryland, who is now gone. Others had their issues with WV, but MD was the one so against it, you could not even really discuss the matter. Which is odd because for a long time, they played each other annually.

I think that most of the folks at the ACC realize the situation that the conference finds itself in. Our choices for expansion are limited to: Notre Dame, UConn, West Virginia and Cincinnati without being able to pluck another school from either the B1G or the SEC (or the Big 12 if you believe all of the Texas talk).
Out of that bunch , Notre Dame and West Virginia would be our best choices with Cincinnati being the third choice.

At this point, I'm just concerned about happenings on February 2nd. If Bowlsby sees his shadow, will there be another six weeks of indecision regarding expansion of the Big XII?

@ChuckCarltonDMN 11m11 minutes ago

Boren: “I would emphasize: I don’t think the Big 12 Conference is in any danger of falling apart,”

OU president David Boren doesn't expect a vote next week on a Big 12 title game

(01-28-2016 03:04 PM)Pony94 Wrote:  @ChuckCarltonDMN 11m11 minutes ago

Boren: “I would emphasize: I don’t think the Big 12 Conference is in any danger of falling apart,”

OU president David Boren doesn't expect a vote next week on a Big 12 title game

I don't think that it will fall apart. WVU might amicably leave for the ACC someday, but Texas, OU, and probably KU will never leave. They'll just get concessions at the other schools' expense, and none of the other schools could leave for another P5 - even if they wanted to.

Edit: This comment assumes that there isn't a dramatic shakeup on the scale of a centralized body reforming conferences to achieve maximum gain for everyone involved.