Why is a donor who would prefer giving money to a baseball team who is a top 30 program in D1 history considered a rich redneck? You've got a team who is annually top 25 or close to it, wins conference championships, goes to regionals, puts not only players but starters in the show. I agree that a greater commitment needs to be made to basketball but to suggest that it's sickening that some donor's care more about baseball than basketball is just stupid. People want to support a winner. Baseball is a winner and has a rich history in Eastern NC and at ECU. People make all these excuses about the arena, no fan support, locker rooms. It's all BS. Campbell has had better success, Davidson had had better success, UNCW has had more success. Their facilities are no better than ours. The bottom line is your coach. Everything else is just an excuse. We haven't paid to get a top flight coach ever at ECU, so we haven't ever had top-flight success.

(01-17-2016 11:00 AM)First Mate Wrote:  

(01-16-2016 07:02 PM)apex_pirate Wrote:  Something's got to change. I've seen the talent on both teams and ECU should have been the winner without even playing. Didn't happen. Not even close. I don't think the issue is physical talent though. It is basketball IQ and the ability to remain focused. All mental. Ultimately, it is the coaches responsibility for recruiting.

Totally disagree w you on the talent. ECU has no inside players and ucf has a 7-6 guy and another who is 6-10 senior weighing 350 pounds. They killed us on the glass and inside. They also have AJ Davis (son of former NBA player Antonio Davis) who is better than anyone on ECU's roster. Caleb White and BJ Tyson are the only two AAC caliber players we have playing this year.

Lebo has been done in by injuries (Guilmette-out for year, Zangari is playing w a separated shoulder, Riak- promising freshman out for the year) plus Terry Whisnant went pro (he would've had a good senior season).

All that said we have to recruit better players. Plain and simple. I think Lebo is a good Xs and Os guy, he definitely knows the game and his kids play hard for him. If he's gonna stay he's got to recruit a lot better. It's as simple as that.

Perhaps Lebo needs better assistants who are more of the "dynamic recruiter" types. perhaps they could complement Lebo's strengths better than what he currently has with him.

(01-17-2016 11:50 AM)DownEastPirate Wrote:  Why is a donor who would prefer giving money to a baseball team who is a top 30 program in D1 history considered a rich redneck? You've got a team who is annually top 25 or close to it, wins conference championships, goes to regionals, puts not only players but starters in the show. I agree that a greater commitment needs to be made to basketball but to suggest that it's sickening that some donor's care more about baseball than basketball is just stupid. People want to support a winner. Baseball is a winner and has a rich history in Eastern NC and at ECU. People make all these excuses about the arena, no fan support, locker rooms. It's all BS. Campbell has had better success, Davidson had had better success, UNCW has had more success. Their facilities are no better than ours. The bottom line is your coach. Everything else is just an excuse. We haven't paid to get a top flight coach ever at ECU, so we haven't ever had top-flight success.

That's not why they're considered rich rednecks. They just are. The country bumpkins care more about baseball being successful down East. It's stupid but it's a fact. Just look at how the baseball and softball stadiums got 1st priority before we ever got a basketball practice facility.

Baseball is a winner because they want it to be a winner. When it came to hoops they never gave a $hit. That was by design somewhat to differentiate us from the ACC schools by focusing 75% of our efforts to football, the rest baseball. An idiotic, myopic viewpoint on the hiearchy.

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(01-17-2016 12:50 PM)blunderbuss Wrote:  

(01-17-2016 11:50 AM)DownEastPirate Wrote:  Why is a donor who would prefer giving money to a baseball team who is a top 30 program in D1 history considered a rich redneck? You've got a team who is annually top 25 or close to it, wins conference championships, goes to regionals, puts not only players but starters in the show. I agree that a greater commitment needs to be made to basketball but to suggest that it's sickening that some donor's care more about baseball than basketball is just stupid. People want to support a winner. Baseball is a winner and has a rich history in Eastern NC and at ECU. People make all these excuses about the arena, no fan support, locker rooms. It's all BS. Campbell has had better success, Davidson had had better success, UNCW has had more success. Their facilities are no better than ours. The bottom line is your coach. Everything else is just an excuse. We haven't paid to get a top flight coach ever at ECU, so we haven't ever had top-flight success.

That's not why they're considered rich rednecks. They just are. The country bumpkins care more about baseball being successful down East. It's stupid but it's a fact. Just look at how the baseball and softball stadiums got 1st priority before we ever got a basketball practice facility.

Baseball is a winner because they want it to be a winner. When it came to hoops they never gave a $hit. That was by design somewhat to differentiate us from the ACC schools by focusing 75% of our efforts to football, the rest baseball. An idiotic, myopic viewpoint on the hiearchy.

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An idotic, myopic viewpoint on heiarchy? Wow you sound like a UNC dbag, you know you don't have to associate yourself with us dumb rednecks from Down East, there is a perfectly good bball school a little to the West who shares your viewpoint on round ball, as well as your opinion of our fan base. You do know a $12 million update was done to Minges LONG before Clark-LeClair was ever built correct? Baseball played in a glorified high school field for 10 years after 12 million bucks was pumped into Minges. Not to mention the locker room in Scales Field House looked like a janitors closet. Yey despite the obvious lack of money in the baseball program we still won, how could that be? There has been no more money put into baseball than there has basketball. Probably a lot less actually. And I got news for you, if you think basketball is that important you certainly are not quite as intelligent you clearly present yourself to be.

(01-16-2016 10:53 PM)DowdyPirate Wrote:  

(01-16-2016 09:02 PM)Knightbengal Wrote:  

(01-16-2016 08:44 PM)NBPirate Wrote:  

(01-16-2016 08:31 PM)Yung Knight Wrote:  

(01-16-2016 07:02 PM)apex_pirate Wrote:  Something's got to change. I've seen the talent on both teams and ECU should have been the winner without even playing. Didn't happen. Not even close. I don't think the issue is physical talent though. It is basketball IQ and the ability to remain focused. All mental. Ultimately, it is the coaches responsibility for recruiting.

lol

Ive seen the talent on both teams twice this season. And both times the same team won. This time by 20

Didn't ECU beat UCF three times last year? I don't see Lebo making progress. He's regressing and it's time to go. I expect he will be fired at the end of the season.

Yeah with half the team due to sanctions and three freshman starters. Also go check out the recruiting rankings champ

And we have 2 projected starters gone, one had his career ended due to injury, the other left unexpectedly in the summer to support his family. Neither happened because ECU cheated

UCF has 2 three stars, and a 2 star. Studs

Dude our starting and back up pg aren't here so don't give me that. We have spent half the season learning how to play together and with tacko. Two of the wings are first year jucos. Our talent is good just young. Not that we got anything out of being called out by pitino but the bottom line is we had no depth and we're starting freshman in two starting positions. Your comment was regarding our losses last year. Three of our starters didn't play you last year. Before you call out talent u may want to do some research

(01-17-2016 01:31 PM)DownEastPirate Wrote:  An idotic, myopic viewpoint on heiarchy? Wow you sound like a UNC dbag, you know you don't have to associate yourself with us dumb rednecks from Down East, there is a perfectly good bball school a little to the West who shares your viewpoint on round ball, as well as your opinion of our fan base. You do know a $12 million update was done to Minges LONG before Clark-LeClair was ever built correct? Baseball played in a glorified high school field for 10 years after 12 million bucks was pumped into Minges. Not to mention the locker room in Scales Field House looked like a janitors closet. Yey despite the obvious lack of money in the baseball program we still won, how could that be? There has been no more money put into baseball than there has basketball. Probably a lot less actually. And I got news for you, if you think basketball is that important you certainly are not quite as intelligent you clearly present yourself to be.

Lol...Still WAY behind on basketball. Baseball is irrelevant. Why do you think many schools don't bother with it?

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(01-17-2016 01:17 AM)PirateMarv Wrote:  

(01-16-2016 09:02 PM)Knightbengal Wrote:  

(01-16-2016 08:44 PM)NBPirate Wrote:  

(01-16-2016 08:31 PM)Yung Knight Wrote:  

(01-16-2016 07:02 PM)apex_pirate Wrote:  Something's got to change. I've seen the talent on both teams and ECU should have been the winner without even playing. Didn't happen. Not even close. I don't think the issue is physical talent though. It is basketball IQ and the ability to remain focused. All mental. Ultimately, it is the coaches responsibility for recruiting.

lol

Ive seen the talent on both teams twice this season. And both times the same team won. This time by 20

Didn't ECU beat UCF three times last year? I don't see Lebo making progress. He's regressing and it's time to go. I expect he will be fired at the end of the season.

Yeah with half the team due to sanctions and three freshman starters. Also go check out the recruiting rankings champ

Sanctions brought on by your own cheating ass coach. Hell ECU is playing without multiple big men; again. And it is all Lebo's fault, because he doesn't give a damn. He did not get up off of his ass and go and get another big men even though he knew once again that one of his big men was going to miss another entire season. He does the same crap every year. He needs to be fired before the next game.

And fwiw it was tribble not Dj that got the bball program in trouble. Dj was complicit and got nailed with the show cause because of it. Were you going to turn the ad in?

(01-17-2016 01:37 PM)blunderbuss Wrote:  

(01-17-2016 01:31 PM)DownEastPirate Wrote:  An idotic, myopic viewpoint on heiarchy? Wow you sound like a UNC dbag, you know you don't have to associate yourself with us dumb rednecks from Down East, there is a perfectly good bball school a little to the West who shares your viewpoint on round ball, as well as your opinion of our fan base. You do know a $12 million update was done to Minges LONG before Clark-LeClair was ever built correct? Baseball played in a glorified high school field for 10 years after 12 million bucks was pumped into Minges. Not to mention the locker room in Scales Field House looked like a janitors closet. Yey despite the obvious lack of money in the baseball program we still won, how could that be? There has been no more money put into baseball than there has basketball. Probably a lot less actually. And I got news for you, if you think basketball is that important you certainly are not quite as intelligent you clearly present yourself to be.

Lol...Still WAY behind on basketball. Baseball is irrelevant. Why do you think many schools don't bother with it?

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Because it's the most regional based of the big 3 and northern schools are at a disadvantage if they sponsor it. Football is meant to be played in the elements and Basketball is inside.


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(01-17-2016 01:49 PM)PurpleReigns2012 Wrote:  

(01-17-2016 01:37 PM)blunderbuss Wrote:  

(01-17-2016 01:31 PM)DownEastPirate Wrote:  An idotic, myopic viewpoint on heiarchy? Wow you sound like a UNC dbag, you know you don't have to associate yourself with us dumb rednecks from Down East, there is a perfectly good bball school a little to the West who shares your viewpoint on round ball, as well as your opinion of our fan base. You do know a $12 million update was done to Minges LONG before Clark-LeClair was ever built correct? Baseball played in a glorified high school field for 10 years after 12 million bucks was pumped into Minges. Not to mention the locker room in Scales Field House looked like a janitors closet. Yey despite the obvious lack of money in the baseball program we still won, how could that be? There has been no more money put into baseball than there has basketball. Probably a lot less actually. And I got news for you, if you think basketball is that important you certainly are not quite as intelligent you clearly present yourself to be.

Lol...Still WAY behind on basketball. Baseball is irrelevant. Why do you think many schools don't bother with it?

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Because it's the most regional based of the big 3 and northern schools are at a disadvantage if they sponsor it. Football is meant to be played in the elements and Basketball is inside.


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True to an extent. SMU and Tulsa,don't sponsor it


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Clark-LeClair, $12 million total. Stadium, field, locker rooms, lounge area, scoreboard, batting cages, press box. Minges, $12 million upgrade in 94, new floor put in last year, new sound system, $20 million practice facility, thousand and thousand of dollars to host CIT games. Basketball has had plenty sufficient funds to succeed, that's not an excuse.

(01-17-2016 01:57 PM)DownEastPirate Wrote:  Clark-LeClair, $12 million total. Stadium, field, locker rooms, lounge area, scoreboard, batting cages, press box. Minges, $12 million upgrade in 94, new floor put in last year, new sound system, $20 million practice facility, thousand and thousand of dollars to host CIT games. Basketball has had plenty sufficient funds to succeed, that's not an excuse.

Lol... Minges. Band aid solution at best. Meanwhile Baseball, softball and olys got brand new stadiums.

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Yea, I guess a sweet new facility that is still empty and still has a losing team running up and down the floor probably would do the trick. I'm sure it would look better on the ESPNNews telecast.

Any other excuses? Might as well get them all out.

(01-17-2016 01:31 PM)DownEastPirate Wrote:  And I got news for you, if you think basketball is that important you certainly are not quite as intelligent you clearly present yourself to be.

You just joined a conference that is significantly focused on basketball.

All we heard about, when ECU accepted a football-only membership, was "let us in for basketball... we will do better if given the chance to play UCONN, Temple, Cincinnati, Memphis, etc..."

So, the AAC grants ECU an all-sports membership...

It's time to sh!t of get off the pot.

(01-17-2016 01:59 PM)blunderbuss Wrote:  

(01-17-2016 01:57 PM)DownEastPirate Wrote:  Clark-LeClair, $12 million total. Stadium, field, locker rooms, lounge area, scoreboard, batting cages, press box. Minges, $12 million upgrade in 94, new floor put in last year, new sound system, $20 million practice facility, thousand and thousand of dollars to host CIT games. Basketball has had plenty sufficient funds to succeed, that's not an excuse.

Lol... Minges. Band aid solution at best. Meanwhile Baseball, softball and olys got brand new stadiums.

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right - because the cost of tearing down Minges and building a brand new basketball arena is really comparable to those other projects you cite, which were all paid for by years and years of student fee money.

(01-17-2016 02:17 PM)BigEastHomer Wrote:  

(01-17-2016 01:31 PM)DownEastPirate Wrote:  And I got news for you, if you think basketball is that important you certainly are not quite as intelligent you clearly present yourself to be.

You just joined a conference that is significantly focused on basketball.

All we heard about, when ECU accepted a football-only membership, was "let us in for basketball... we will do better if given the chance to play UCONN, Temple, Cincinnati, Memphis, etc..."

So, the AAC grants ECU an all-sports membership...

It's time to sh!t of get off the pot.

Yeah, that's the hayseed mindset we're dealing with at ECU.

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(01-17-2016 02:19 PM)ECMAN79 Wrote:  

(01-17-2016 01:59 PM)blunderbuss Wrote:  

(01-17-2016 01:57 PM)DownEastPirate Wrote:  Clark-LeClair, $12 million total. Stadium, field, locker rooms, lounge area, scoreboard, batting cages, press box. Minges, $12 million upgrade in 94, new floor put in last year, new sound system, $20 million practice facility, thousand and thousand of dollars to host CIT games. Basketball has had plenty sufficient funds to succeed, that's not an excuse.

Lol... Minges. Band aid solution at best. Meanwhile Baseball, softball and olys got brand new stadiums.

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right - because the cost of tearing down Minges and building a brand new basketball arena is really comparable to those other projects you cite, which were all paid for by years and years of student fee money.

Actually it is. We spent well north of $100 million on sports with little to zero ROI. Don't be stupid.

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sports as a collective.........gotcha - we shouldn't invest in any other sports other than football and men's basketball. heaven forbid we should actually strive for nice facilities for all of our sports helping to be a well rounded athletic program. Blunderbuss: your hatred for baseball makes you very biased btw.

(01-17-2016 02:26 PM)ECMAN79 Wrote:  sports as a collective.........gotcha - we shouldn't invest in any other sports other than football and men's basketball. heaven forbid we should actually strive for nice facilities for all of our sports helping to be a well rounded athletic program. Blunderbuss: your hatred for baseball makes you very biased btw.

Those other sports aren't "investments". I figure an accountant could figure that out. I don't hate any of our programs but I have a functioning brain when it comes to prioritizing scarce resources.

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(01-17-2016 02:28 PM)blunderbuss Wrote:  

(01-17-2016 02:26 PM)ECMAN79 Wrote:  sports as a collective.........gotcha - we shouldn't invest in any other sports other than football and men's basketball. heaven forbid we should actually strive for nice facilities for all of our sports helping to be a well rounded athletic program. Blunderbuss: your hatred for baseball makes you very biased btw.

Those other sports aren't "investments". I figure an accountant could figure that out.

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just because the "return" isn't in the form of cash? well i definitely disagree with your entire mindset on this. bottom line is we desperately needed to upgrade that entire complex. especially the softball stadium when Title IX complaints started to come to surface.