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In the 10 wins, Sanford & Navigato have combined to average 21.8 points per game...in the 6 losses, their combined average dropped to 9.5 points per game--difference of 12 points/game. That could have turned at least 4 of the 6 losses into wins. Last night, they combined for 2 points. Most disturbing to me was that Mosley took more shots, both overall & from 3, than Sanford & Navigato combined. That isn't a recipe for success as the MAC season progresses, IMO.

Yes...they're freshmen. Their D isn't very good (although the same could be said for most of the Rocket roster), and they will miss more shots than they make. But they are shooters/scorers. That's why they were recruited. And while it's fun to watch Boothe go off and score 30, he didn't take the game over--that's not intended as a criticism, by the way. The point is the TEAM won't be successful in MAC play if all we have is Boothe averaging 30 points per game--even if Jon Jon matches him. This team--like every team Coach K has had here--wins with offense, not its defense, and we will need Sanford & Navigato to become more confident & aggressive as conference play continues. Sanford took all of 2 shots last night. As the saying goes, once we hit the second half of MAC play, they aren't really freshmen anymore.

(01-13-2016 08:45 AM)bcunn3128 Wrote:  In the 10 wins, Sanford & Navigato have combined to average 21.8 points per game...in the 6 losses, their combined average dropped to 9.5 points per game--difference of 12 points/game. That could have turned at least 4 of the 6 losses into wins. Last night, they combined for 2 points. Most disturbing to me was that Mosley took more shots, both overall & from 3, than Sanford & Navigato combined. That isn't a recipe for success as the MAC season progresses, IMO.

Yes...they're freshmen. Their D isn't very good (although the same could be said for most of the Rocket roster), and they will miss more shots than they make. But they are shooters/scorers. That's why they were recruited. And while it's fun to watch Boothe go off and score 30, he didn't take the game over--that's not intended as a criticism, by the way. The point is the TEAM won't be successful in MAC play if all we have is Boothe averaging 30 points per game--even if Jon Jon matches him. This team--like every team Coach K has had here--wins with offense, not its defense, and we will need Sanford & Navigato to become more confident & aggressive as conference play continues. Sanford took all of 2 shots last night. As the saying goes, once we hit the second half of MAC play, they aren't really freshmen anymore.

NIU is a well coached team that plays good D. Nevertheless, I agree that the two frosh need to score. If we get 30 from Navigato, Sanford and Mosley we'll do well. There are a number of surprising teams in the MAC this year including our non-rival and ou rival. The trio mentioned has to step it up.

(01-13-2016 08:49 AM)H2Oville Rocket Wrote:  

(01-13-2016 08:45 AM)bcunn3128 Wrote:  In the 10 wins, Sanford & Navigato have combined to average 21.8 points per game...in the 6 losses, their combined average dropped to 9.5 points per game--difference of 12 points/game. That could have turned at least 4 of the 6 losses into wins. Last night, they combined for 2 points. Most disturbing to me was that Mosley took more shots, both overall & from 3, than Sanford & Navigato combined. That isn't a recipe for success as the MAC season progresses, IMO.

Yes...they're freshmen. Their D isn't very good (although the same could be said for most of the Rocket roster), and they will miss more shots than they make. But they are shooters/scorers. That's why they were recruited. And while it's fun to watch Boothe go off and score 30, he didn't take the game over--that's not intended as a criticism, by the way. The point is the TEAM won't be successful in MAC play if all we have is Boothe averaging 30 points per game--even if Jon Jon matches him. This team--like every team Coach K has had here--wins with offense, not its defense, and we will need Sanford & Navigato to become more confident & aggressive as conference play continues. Sanford took all of 2 shots last night. As the saying goes, once we hit the second half of MAC play, they aren't really freshmen anymore.

NIU is a well coached team that plays good D. Nevertheless, I agree that the two frosh need to score. If we get 30 from Navigato, Sanford and Mosley we'll do well. There are a number of surprising teams in the MAC this year including our non-rival and ou rival. The trio mentioned has to step it up.

Good attendance for a Tuesday night at 4,271.

(01-13-2016 08:49 AM)H2Oville Rocket Wrote:  

(01-13-2016 08:45 AM)bcunn3128 Wrote:  In the 10 wins, Sanford & Navigato have combined to average 21.8 points per game...in the 6 losses, their combined average dropped to 9.5 points per game--difference of 12 points/game. That could have turned at least 4 of the 6 losses into wins. Last night, they combined for 2 points. Most disturbing to me was that Mosley took more shots, both overall & from 3, than Sanford & Navigato combined. That isn't a recipe for success as the MAC season progresses, IMO.

Yes...they're freshmen. Their D isn't very good (although the same could be said for most of the Rocket roster), and they will miss more shots than they make. But they are shooters/scorers. That's why they were recruited. And while it's fun to watch Boothe go off and score 30, he didn't take the game over--that's not intended as a criticism, by the way. The point is the TEAM won't be successful in MAC play if all we have is Boothe averaging 30 points per game--even if Jon Jon matches him. This team--like every team Coach K has had here--wins with offense, not its defense, and we will need Sanford & Navigato to become more confident & aggressive as conference play continues. Sanford took all of 2 shots last night. As the saying goes, once we hit the second half of MAC play, they aren't really freshmen anymore.

NIU is a well coached team that plays good D. Nevertheless, I agree that the two frosh need to score. If we get 30 from Navigato, Sanford and Mosley we'll do well. There are a number of surprising teams in the MAC this year including our non-rival and ou rival. The trio mentioned has to step it up.

Learning curve at this point. I think will see more consistent production over the season. A hot Rocket team could just as easily beat NIU in DeKalb.

(01-13-2016 09:47 AM)Boca Rocket Wrote:  

(01-13-2016 08:49 AM)H2Oville Rocket Wrote:  

(01-13-2016 08:45 AM)bcunn3128 Wrote:  In the 10 wins, Sanford & Navigato have combined to average 21.8 points per game...in the 6 losses, their combined average dropped to 9.5 points per game--difference of 12 points/game. That could have turned at least 4 of the 6 losses into wins. Last night, they combined for 2 points. Most disturbing to me was that Mosley took more shots, both overall & from 3, than Sanford & Navigato combined. That isn't a recipe for success as the MAC season progresses, IMO.

Yes...they're freshmen. Their D isn't very good (although the same could be said for most of the Rocket roster), and they will miss more shots than they make. But they are shooters/scorers. That's why they were recruited. And while it's fun to watch Boothe go off and score 30, he didn't take the game over--that's not intended as a criticism, by the way. The point is the TEAM won't be successful in MAC play if all we have is Boothe averaging 30 points per game--even if Jon Jon matches him. This team--like every team Coach K has had here--wins with offense, not its defense, and we will need Sanford & Navigato to become more confident & aggressive as conference play continues. Sanford took all of 2 shots last night. As the saying goes, once we hit the second half of MAC play, they aren't really freshmen anymore.

NIU is a well coached team that plays good D. Nevertheless, I agree that the two frosh need to score. If we get 30 from Navigato, Sanford and Mosley we'll do well. There are a number of surprising teams in the MAC this year including our non-rival and ou rival. The trio mentioned has to step it up.

Learning curve at this point. I think will see more consistent production over the season. A hot Rocket team could just as easily beat NIU in DeKalb.

Maybe if Toledo continues to get the benefit of the calls from the officials and shoots 20-25+ FT's again. That is the only reason they were in the game last night otherwise it would have been a 10+ point win for NIU.

(01-13-2016 09:55 AM)RedandBlackAttack Wrote:  

(01-13-2016 09:47 AM)Boca Rocket Wrote:  

(01-13-2016 08:49 AM)H2Oville Rocket Wrote:  

(01-13-2016 08:45 AM)bcunn3128 Wrote:  In the 10 wins, Sanford & Navigato have combined to average 21.8 points per game...in the 6 losses, their combined average dropped to 9.5 points per game--difference of 12 points/game. That could have turned at least 4 of the 6 losses into wins. Last night, they combined for 2 points. Most disturbing to me was that Mosley took more shots, both overall & from 3, than Sanford & Navigato combined. That isn't a recipe for success as the MAC season progresses, IMO.

Yes...they're freshmen. Their D isn't very good (although the same could be said for most of the Rocket roster), and they will miss more shots than they make. But they are shooters/scorers. That's why they were recruited. And while it's fun to watch Boothe go off and score 30, he didn't take the game over--that's not intended as a criticism, by the way. The point is the TEAM won't be successful in MAC play if all we have is Boothe averaging 30 points per game--even if Jon Jon matches him. This team--like every team Coach K has had here--wins with offense, not its defense, and we will need Sanford & Navigato to become more confident & aggressive as conference play continues. Sanford took all of 2 shots last night. As the saying goes, once we hit the second half of MAC play, they aren't really freshmen anymore.

NIU is a well coached team that plays good D. Nevertheless, I agree that the two frosh need to score. If we get 30 from Navigato, Sanford and Mosley we'll do well. There are a number of surprising teams in the MAC this year including our non-rival and ou rival. The trio mentioned has to step it up.

Learning curve at this point. I think will see more consistent production over the season. A hot Rocket team could just as easily beat NIU in DeKalb.

Maybe if Toledo continues to get the benefit of the calls from the officials and shoots 20-25+ FT's again. That is the only reason they were in the game last night otherwise it would have been a 10+ point win for NIU.

Please. NIU posters on your game thread were acknowledging the # of stupid fouls the Huskies were committing.

(01-13-2016 10:05 AM)Boca Rocket Wrote:  

(01-13-2016 09:55 AM)RedandBlackAttack Wrote:  

(01-13-2016 09:47 AM)Boca Rocket Wrote:  

(01-13-2016 08:49 AM)H2Oville Rocket Wrote:  

(01-13-2016 08:45 AM)bcunn3128 Wrote:  In the 10 wins, Sanford & Navigato have combined to average 21.8 points per game...in the 6 losses, their combined average dropped to 9.5 points per game--difference of 12 points/game. That could have turned at least 4 of the 6 losses into wins. Last night, they combined for 2 points. Most disturbing to me was that Mosley took more shots, both overall & from 3, than Sanford & Navigato combined. That isn't a recipe for success as the MAC season progresses, IMO.

Yes...they're freshmen. Their D isn't very good (although the same could be said for most of the Rocket roster), and they will miss more shots than they make. But they are shooters/scorers. That's why they were recruited. And while it's fun to watch Boothe go off and score 30, he didn't take the game over--that's not intended as a criticism, by the way. The point is the TEAM won't be successful in MAC play if all we have is Boothe averaging 30 points per game--even if Jon Jon matches him. This team--like every team Coach K has had here--wins with offense, not its defense, and we will need Sanford & Navigato to become more confident & aggressive as conference play continues. Sanford took all of 2 shots last night. As the saying goes, once we hit the second half of MAC play, they aren't really freshmen anymore.

NIU is a well coached team that plays good D. Nevertheless, I agree that the two frosh need to score. If we get 30 from Navigato, Sanford and Mosley we'll do well. There are a number of surprising teams in the MAC this year including our non-rival and ou rival. The trio mentioned has to step it up.

Learning curve at this point. I think will see more consistent production over the season. A hot Rocket team could just as easily beat NIU in DeKalb.

Maybe if Toledo continues to get the benefit of the calls from the officials and shoots 20-25+ FT's again. That is the only reason they were in the game last night otherwise it would have been a 10+ point win for NIU.

Please. NIU posters on your game thread were acknowledging the # of stupid fouls the Huskies were committing.

There were some stupid fouls but there was also a lot of stupid calls on minimal to no contact made as well. That's MAC refs for ya though.

(01-13-2016 10:12 AM)RedandBlackAttack Wrote:  

(01-13-2016 10:05 AM)Boca Rocket Wrote:  

(01-13-2016 09:55 AM)RedandBlackAttack Wrote:  

(01-13-2016 09:47 AM)Boca Rocket Wrote:  

(01-13-2016 08:49 AM)H2Oville Rocket Wrote:  NIU is a well coached team that plays good D. Nevertheless, I agree that the two frosh need to score. If we get 30 from Navigato, Sanford and Mosley we'll do well. There are a number of surprising teams in the MAC this year including our non-rival and ou rival. The trio mentioned has to step it up.

Learning curve at this point. I think will see more consistent production over the season. A hot Rocket team could just as easily beat NIU in DeKalb.

Maybe if Toledo continues to get the benefit of the calls from the officials and shoots 20-25+ FT's again. That is the only reason they were in the game last night otherwise it would have been a 10+ point win for NIU.

Please. NIU posters on your game thread were acknowledging the # of stupid fouls the Huskies were committing.

There were some stupid fouls but there was also a lot of stupid calls on minimal to no contact made as well. That's MAC refs for ya though.

The game was butchered by officials but the foul discrepancy was about right. NIU was determined to make Boothe beat them from outside and hammered hi all night. Boothe is actually rarely sent to the line (check the stats). When you slap Zack Garber on the arm when he clearly got a defensive board for no other reason than.....well...no reason at all, you're not a disciplined team in that regard, and NIU wasn't. Toledo only got the benefit of calls against NIU, so your comment is nonsensical, of course. A team ALWAYS gets the benefit of the referees calls against the other team.

(01-13-2016 10:12 AM)RedandBlackAttack Wrote:  

(01-13-2016 10:05 AM)Boca Rocket Wrote:  

(01-13-2016 09:55 AM)RedandBlackAttack Wrote:  

(01-13-2016 09:47 AM)Boca Rocket Wrote:  

(01-13-2016 08:49 AM)H2Oville Rocket Wrote:  NIU is a well coached team that plays good D. Nevertheless, I agree that the two frosh need to score. If we get 30 from Navigato, Sanford and Mosley we'll do well. There are a number of surprising teams in the MAC this year including our non-rival and ou rival. The trio mentioned has to step it up.

Learning curve at this point. I think will see more consistent production over the season. A hot Rocket team could just as easily beat NIU in DeKalb.

Maybe if Toledo continues to get the benefit of the calls from the officials and shoots 20-25+ FT's again. That is the only reason they were in the game last night otherwise it would have been a 10+ point win for NIU.

Please. NIU posters on your game thread were acknowledging the # of stupid fouls the Huskies were committing.

There were some stupid fouls but there was also a lot of stupid calls on minimal to no contact made as well. That's MAC refs for ya though.

NIU played an aggressive, tight (and effective) defense all night and that probably affected the refs' mindset as well as the number of fouls called. But don't whine about it too much because that is one of the main reasons that you won the game.

It's kinda funny that the Toledo players were trying to foul at the end and the refs still weren't calling it. :-)

But seriously, it was just one of those games, NIU plays aggressive defense and it was one of those crews that calls a lot of fouls. They weren't as bad as some we've had, where you couldn't even touch the guy, and you couldn't take a step without a travelling call. I was glad Toledo was cold from the outside at the beginning, because they were getting some open shots, just didn't hit them yesterday. I think the two teams are very close in ability, with different strengths. Pretty decent chance the nonrivals get us back in DeKalb.

(01-13-2016 12:38 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  It's kinda funny that the Toledo players were trying to foul at the end and the refs still weren't calling it. :-)

But seriously, it was just one of those games, NIU plays aggressive defense and it was one of those crews that calls a lot of fouls. They weren't as bad as some we've had, where you couldn't even touch the guy, and you couldn't take a step without a travelling call. I was glad Toledo was cold from the outside at the beginning, because they were getting some open shots, just didn't hit them yesterday. I think the two teams are very close in ability, with different strengths. Pretty decent chance the nonrivals get us back in DeKalb.

They called ones that I saw- we didn't do a very good job of actually touching NIU players when we tried to foul them. Mosley missed #5 with about three straight swipes before connecting on our last foul.

(01-13-2016 01:17 PM)H2Oville Rocket Wrote:  

(01-13-2016 12:38 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  It's kinda funny that the Toledo players were trying to foul at the end and the refs still weren't calling it. :-)

But seriously, it was just one of those games, NIU plays aggressive defense and it was one of those crews that calls a lot of fouls. They weren't as bad as some we've had, where you couldn't even touch the guy, and you couldn't take a step without a travelling call. I was glad Toledo was cold from the outside at the beginning, because they were getting some open shots, just didn't hit them yesterday. I think the two teams are very close in ability, with different strengths. Pretty decent chance the nonrivals get us back in DeKalb.

They called ones that I saw- we didn't do a very good job of actually touching NIU players when we tried to foul them. Mosley missed #5 with about three straight swipes before connecting on our last foul.

I wasn't sure, thought he must have touched the NIU guy but I guess not.

(01-13-2016 02:02 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  

(01-13-2016 01:17 PM)H2Oville Rocket Wrote:  

(01-13-2016 12:38 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  It's kinda funny that the Toledo players were trying to foul at the end and the refs still weren't calling it. :-)

But seriously, it was just one of those games, NIU plays aggressive defense and it was one of those crews that calls a lot of fouls. They weren't as bad as some we've had, where you couldn't even touch the guy, and you couldn't take a step without a travelling call. I was glad Toledo was cold from the outside at the beginning, because they were getting some open shots, just didn't hit them yesterday. I think the two teams are very close in ability, with different strengths. Pretty decent chance the nonrivals get us back in DeKalb.

They called ones that I saw- we didn't do a very good job of actually touching NIU players when we tried to foul them. Mosley missed #5 with about three straight swipes before connecting on our last foul.

I wasn't sure, thought he must have touched the NIU guy but I guess not.

Our defense doesn't like touching people. Or even getting close to them, really. That one was right in front of me and we were all screaming to foul and he kept poking at the ball instead of grabbing the player.

(01-13-2016 09:55 AM)RedandBlackAttack Wrote:  

(01-13-2016 09:47 AM)Boca Rocket Wrote:  

(01-13-2016 08:49 AM)H2Oville Rocket Wrote:  

(01-13-2016 08:45 AM)bcunn3128 Wrote:  In the 10 wins, Sanford & Navigato have combined to average 21.8 points per game...in the 6 losses, their combined average dropped to 9.5 points per game--difference of 12 points/game. That could have turned at least 4 of the 6 losses into wins. Last night, they combined for 2 points. Most disturbing to me was that Mosley took more shots, both overall & from 3, than Sanford & Navigato combined. That isn't a recipe for success as the MAC season progresses, IMO.

Yes...they're freshmen. Their D isn't very good (although the same could be said for most of the Rocket roster), and they will miss more shots than they make. But they are shooters/scorers. That's why they were recruited. And while it's fun to watch Boothe go off and score 30, he didn't take the game over--that's not intended as a criticism, by the way. The point is the TEAM won't be successful in MAC play if all we have is Boothe averaging 30 points per game--even if Jon Jon matches him. This team--like every team Coach K has had here--wins with offense, not its defense, and we will need Sanford & Navigato to become more confident & aggressive as conference play continues. Sanford took all of 2 shots last night. As the saying goes, once we hit the second half of MAC play, they aren't really freshmen anymore.

NIU is a well coached team that plays good D. Nevertheless, I agree that the two frosh need to score. If we get 30 from Navigato, Sanford and Mosley we'll do well. There are a number of surprising teams in the MAC this year including our non-rival and ou rival. The trio mentioned has to step it up.

Learning curve at this point. I think will see more consistent production over the season. A hot Rocket team could just as easily beat NIU in DeKalb.

Maybe if Toledo continues to get the benefit of the calls from the officials and shoots 20-25+ FT's again. That is the only reason they were in the game last night otherwise it would have been a 10+ point win for NIU.

The foul/FT discrepancy is because NIU plays defense and Toledo doesn't.

(01-13-2016 06:04 PM)Rocket A Wrote:  

(01-13-2016 09:55 AM)RedandBlackAttack Wrote:  

(01-13-2016 09:47 AM)Boca Rocket Wrote:  

(01-13-2016 08:49 AM)H2Oville Rocket Wrote:  

(01-13-2016 08:45 AM)bcunn3128 Wrote:  In the 10 wins, Sanford & Navigato have combined to average 21.8 points per game...in the 6 losses, their combined average dropped to 9.5 points per game--difference of 12 points/game. That could have turned at least 4 of the 6 losses into wins. Last night, they combined for 2 points. Most disturbing to me was that Mosley took more shots, both overall & from 3, than Sanford & Navigato combined. That isn't a recipe for success as the MAC season progresses, IMO.

Yes...they're freshmen. Their D isn't very good (although the same could be said for most of the Rocket roster), and they will miss more shots than they make. But they are shooters/scorers. That's why they were recruited. And while it's fun to watch Boothe go off and score 30, he didn't take the game over--that's not intended as a criticism, by the way. The point is the TEAM won't be successful in MAC play if all we have is Boothe averaging 30 points per game--even if Jon Jon matches him. This team--like every team Coach K has had here--wins with offense, not its defense, and we will need Sanford & Navigato to become more confident & aggressive as conference play continues. Sanford took all of 2 shots last night. As the saying goes, once we hit the second half of MAC play, they aren't really freshmen anymore.

NIU is a well coached team that plays good D. Nevertheless, I agree that the two frosh need to score. If we get 30 from Navigato, Sanford and Mosley we'll do well. There are a number of surprising teams in the MAC this year including our non-rival and ou rival. The trio mentioned has to step it up.

Learning curve at this point. I think will see more consistent production over the season. A hot Rocket team could just as easily beat NIU in DeKalb.

Maybe if Toledo continues to get the benefit of the calls from the officials and shoots 20-25+ FT's again. That is the only reason they were in the game last night otherwise it would have been a 10+ point win for NIU.

The foul/FT discrepancy is because NIU plays defense and Toledo doesn't.

Can't physically foul (touch) them, if you're nowhere near them.......

Sort of the same defensive cushion the Toledo DB's have used in the past on the football field. You know playing 10 yards off the line of scrimmage and it's 3rd and 6.........

(01-13-2016 06:34 PM)Terry Wrote:  

(01-13-2016 06:04 PM)Rocket A Wrote:  

(01-13-2016 09:55 AM)RedandBlackAttack Wrote:  

(01-13-2016 09:47 AM)Boca Rocket Wrote:  

(01-13-2016 08:49 AM)H2Oville Rocket Wrote:  NIU is a well coached team that plays good D. Nevertheless, I agree that the two frosh need to score. If we get 30 from Navigato, Sanford and Mosley we'll do well. There are a number of surprising teams in the MAC this year including our non-rival and ou rival. The trio mentioned has to step it up.

Learning curve at this point. I think will see more consistent production over the season. A hot Rocket team could just as easily beat NIU in DeKalb.

Maybe if Toledo continues to get the benefit of the calls from the officials and shoots 20-25+ FT's again. That is the only reason they were in the game last night otherwise it would have been a 10+ point win for NIU.

The foul/FT discrepancy is because NIU plays defense and Toledo doesn't.

Can't physically foul (touch) them, if you're nowhere near them.......

Sort of the same defensive cushion the Toledo DB's have used in the past on the football field. You know playing 10 yards off the line of scrimmage and it's 3rd and 6.........

Excellent analogy!

If you want to watch excellent defense, catch some of Wright State's games on ESPN3. Coach Donlon is a excellent coach in coaching defense. BTW former Ball State guard Mark Alstork is now playing for the Raiders.