You're a genius if your surprise onside kick works, but if it doesn't you're an idiot.

(01-11-2016 11:43 PM)Bearhawkeye Wrote:  You're a genius if your surprise onside kick works, but if it doesn't you're an idiot.

Funny how such moves always work in Sabans favor

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(01-11-2016 11:48 PM)Cataclysmo Wrote:  

(01-11-2016 11:43 PM)Bearhawkeye Wrote:  You're a genius if your surprise onside kick works, but if it doesn't you're an idiot.

Funny how such moves always work in Sabans favor

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Onside kicks probably aren't done enough. True surprise onside kicks work very often (As we found out against Temple)...and the upside is the ball in great field position. The downside is 20-30 yards of field position.

Special teams.

I'm glad it's not a 3 point game right now given how the 1st half ended.

Clemson is going to be kicking themselves for a long time.

Wow. Give up an onside kick and a kick return for a touchdown and you lose a game you should have won. Where have we seen that before?

(01-11-2016 09:40 PM)BearcatMan Wrote:  

(01-11-2016 07:09 PM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  I think Clemson is going to be hard to stop.

Roll Tide.

I'm surprised you aren't at the game. Did your son make the trip?

He headed to AZ with his fraternity. Chances of him making 1st classes on Wed are probably low.

That was one of the best college football games I have seen in a looong time

Like Ali Frazier.

(01-12-2016 12:32 AM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  That was one of the best college football games I have seen in a looong time

Like Ali Frazier.

I agree, that was a good game!

(01-12-2016 12:25 AM)Coopdaddy67 Wrote:  Clemson is going to be kicking themselves for a long time.

Too early to chase points!

(01-11-2016 11:43 PM)Bearhawkeye Wrote:  You're a genius if your surprise onside kick works, but if it doesn't you're an idiot.

It apparently helps when your coverage team actually knows it is coming.

In the BCS to Playoff era it has really been dominated by Warmer/Southern/SEC schools. OSU and Oklahoma have a
combined 3.

(01-12-2016 06:15 AM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  

(01-11-2016 11:43 PM)Bearhawkeye Wrote:  You're a genius if your surprise onside kick works, but if it doesn't you're an idiot.

It apparently helps when your coverage team actually knows it is coming.

Obviously. Not sure why that gives you a case of the giggles though. Kiffin said basically the same thing I did after the game:

Quote:"99% of coaches wouldn't have done that bc if it didn't work they'd get killed by (the media)"

As mark said above, they should probably be done more often. I agree although the analysis and math can change quite a bit depending upon the specific situation (e.g. if you have an excellent kicker who typically gets touchbacks, thus the other team is typically starting at their own 20, or the other way if you don't and they have a great kickoff returner). The point is that's some of the type of stuff that the analysis of the decision should involve.

My beef is with the many fans and commentators who always seem quick to call it stupid when it doesn't work and genius when it does. Alabama's own special teams coach called it a "50/50" proposition at best. Even Humphrey said ""I've dropped it about six or seven times in practice out of the 12 times we've practiced it [this season]" which included dropping it this week in practice. The kicker nailed it perfectly this time and Humphrey caught it. That has nothing to do with Saban's intelligence and it shouldn't be used retroactively to analyze the validity of the call, make or miss.

(01-11-2016 11:48 PM)Cataclysmo Wrote:  

(01-11-2016 11:43 PM)Bearhawkeye Wrote:  You're a genius if your surprise onside kick works, but if it doesn't you're an idiot.

Funny how such moves always work in Sabans favor

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'Cept when they opened the Auburn game with it last year.

"Ya win some, ya lose some" and this one worked to perfection when they needed it. Kudos to them.

(01-12-2016 07:06 PM)Bearhawkeye Wrote:  

(01-12-2016 06:15 AM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  

(01-11-2016 11:43 PM)Bearhawkeye Wrote:  You're a genius if your surprise onside kick works, but if it doesn't you're an idiot.

It apparently helps when your coverage team actually knows it is coming.

Obviously. Not sure why that gives you a case of the giggles though. Kiffin said basically the same thing I did after the game:

Quote:"99% of coaches wouldn't have done that bc if it didn't work they'd get killed by (the media)"

As mark said above, they should probably be done more often. I agree although the analysis and math can change quite a bit depending upon the specific situation (e.g. if you have an excellent kicker who typically gets touchbacks, thus the other team is typically starting at their own 20, or the other way if you don't and they have a great kickoff returner). The point is that's some of the type of stuff that the analysis of the decision should involve.

My beef is with the many fans and commentators who always seem quick to call it stupid when it doesn't work and genius when it does. Alabama's own special teams coach called it a "50/50" proposition at best. Even Humphrey said ""I've dropped it about six or seven times in practice out of the 12 times we've practiced it [this season]" which included dropping it this week in practice. The kicker nailed it perfectly this time and Humphrey caught it. That has nothing to do with Saban's intelligence and it shouldn't be used retroactively to analyze the validity of the call, make or miss.

You completely missed the innuendo about Tommy Tuberville and the onside kick where the only person on the field that knew it was coming was his kicker. If I have to explain it its just not that funny. Actually it's still funny.

(01-13-2016 12:50 PM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  

(01-12-2016 07:06 PM)Bearhawkeye Wrote:  

(01-12-2016 06:15 AM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  

(01-11-2016 11:43 PM)Bearhawkeye Wrote:  You're a genius if your surprise onside kick works, but if it doesn't you're an idiot.

It apparently helps when your coverage team actually knows it is coming.

Obviously. Not sure why that gives you a case of the giggles though. Kiffin said basically the same thing I did after the game:

Quote:"99% of coaches wouldn't have done that bc if it didn't work they'd get killed by (the media)"

As mark said above, they should probably be done more often. I agree although the analysis and math can change quite a bit depending upon the specific situation (e.g. if you have an excellent kicker who typically gets touchbacks, thus the other team is typically starting at their own 20, or the other way if you don't and they have a great kickoff returner). The point is that's some of the type of stuff that the analysis of the decision should involve.

My beef is with the many fans and commentators who always seem quick to call it stupid when it doesn't work and genius when it does. Alabama's own special teams coach called it a "50/50" proposition at best. Even Humphrey said ""I've dropped it about six or seven times in practice out of the 12 times we've practiced it [this season]" which included dropping it this week in practice. The kicker nailed it perfectly this time and Humphrey caught it. That has nothing to do with Saban's intelligence and it shouldn't be used retroactively to analyze the validity of the call, make or miss.

You completely missed the innuendo about Tommy Tuberville and the onside kick where the only person on the field that knew it was coming was his kicker. If I have to explain it its just not that funny. Actually it's still funny.

I remember the play and that there was a big miscommunication issue on it with Tubs, but I'm not sure it was ever established that the rest of the team on the field, outside of the kicker, didn't know it was coming. To my recollection, the biggest problem with it not working was it just wasn't a very good onside kick.

(01-13-2016 01:58 PM)Bearhawkeye Wrote:  

(01-13-2016 12:50 PM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  

(01-12-2016 07:06 PM)Bearhawkeye Wrote:  

(01-12-2016 06:15 AM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  

(01-11-2016 11:43 PM)Bearhawkeye Wrote:  You're a genius if your surprise onside kick works, but if it doesn't you're an idiot.

It apparently helps when your coverage team actually knows it is coming.

Obviously. Not sure why that gives you a case of the giggles though. Kiffin said basically the same thing I did after the game:

Quote:"99% of coaches wouldn't have done that bc if it didn't work they'd get killed by (the media)"

As mark said above, they should probably be done more often. I agree although the analysis and math can change quite a bit depending upon the specific situation (e.g. if you have an excellent kicker who typically gets touchbacks, thus the other team is typically starting at their own 20, or the other way if you don't and they have a great kickoff returner). The point is that's some of the type of stuff that the analysis of the decision should involve.

My beef is with the many fans and commentators who always seem quick to call it stupid when it doesn't work and genius when it does. Alabama's own special teams coach called it a "50/50" proposition at best. Even Humphrey said ""I've dropped it about six or seven times in practice out of the 12 times we've practiced it [this season]" which included dropping it this week in practice. The kicker nailed it perfectly this time and Humphrey caught it. That has nothing to do with Saban's intelligence and it shouldn't be used retroactively to analyze the validity of the call, make or miss.

You completely missed the innuendo about Tommy Tuberville and the onside kick where the only person on the field that knew it was coming was his kicker. If I have to explain it its just not that funny. Actually it's still funny.

I remember the play and that there was a big miscommunication issue on it with Tubs, but I'm not sure it was ever established that the rest of the team on the field, outside of the kicker, didn't know it was coming. To my recollection, the biggest problem with it not working was it just wasn't a very good onside kick.

I just re-watched the video and it doesn't look like the players were expecting it. One guy on the outside seemed to go toward it (maybe he and Gantz had it planned?) but the two guys next to him ran straight ahead 10 yards before veering toward the ball once they recognized is was going right over their heads. It actually would've worked had it been well placed. But still doesn't look good when the head coach doesn't know what's going on on the field.

Nope. Tubby himself said Gantz was about the only one in on the gag. They practiced it that week, talked about it at halftime, then the miscomunicateration hit. Tubby didn't think the play was on either. His boy genius GA ST coach probably had some 'splainin to do to Ricky.