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(12-31-2015 11:25 AM)Lenvillecards Wrote:  
(12-30-2015 08:24 PM)JRsec Wrote:  What I find myself wondering is in the midst of this God awful, uninspired, and totally undisciplined Aggies performance, is how fortuitous it might be that Chip Kelly may be available following what appears to be a collapse by a team that Sumlin has lost his cred with.

The same ole SEC excuses are getting tiresome JR. Whenever an SEC losses it's always because they were uninspired, whose fault is that? Stay home & let someone who wants to be there go then. I remember the same excuses from the Sugar Bowl. Florida was uninspired despite the inspired late hits on the QB. How about fans occasionally show some class & give their opponent some respect.

Why? The truth is the truth and my God awful Auburn team beat your Cardinals when the season started. Where's our respect? We deserved little. That's true of all 7-5 / 6-6 schools. A&M had obvious handicaps and a negative trajectory for the last half of the season. Clemson I'll respect, especially if they keep winning and especially after Dabo had the guts to discipline those kids before the big games. Florida State after the shenanigans of the past few years and their long love affair with the Tallahassee P.D., not so much.

What Louisville has is a bright future. The quarterback is All American in my book. Other than that you under-performed against a team you should have buried. With the right recruits I think you will contend for the ACC championship next year, but that's a long way off.

So pardon me if I forgo the potty training praise for ACC millennials who want applause when they make yellow and flush. Life is hard, time is short, and you have to earn everything you get. The bowl season helps to prove that every year. When I see your school perform in stellar fashion you'll have my praise and respect.

Have a Happy New Year at least it looks promising for your school!
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A&M only lost by 6 pt. so they didn't exactly get taken behind the woodshed. If the Crimson Tide wins tonight the SEC West is 4-1 in bowls. Ole Miss and Arkansas still have yet to play (Jan. 1st and 2nd) so it is very possible the SEC West gets to 6-1. As Adam Sandler says, "Not too shabby."
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(12-31-2015 02:23 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(12-31-2015 11:25 AM)Lenvillecards Wrote:  
(12-30-2015 08:24 PM)JRsec Wrote:  What I find myself wondering is in the midst of this God awful, uninspired, and totally undisciplined Aggies performance, is how fortuitous it might be that Chip Kelly may be available following what appears to be a collapse by a team that Sumlin has lost his cred with.

The same ole SEC excuses are getting tiresome JR. Whenever an SEC losses it's always because they were uninspired, whose fault is that? Stay home & let someone who wants to be there go then. I remember the same excuses from the Sugar Bowl. Florida was uninspired despite the inspired late hits on the QB. How about fans occasionally show some class & give their opponent some respect.

Why? The truth is the truth and my God awful Auburn team beat your Cardinals when the season started. Where's our respect? We deserved little. That's true of all 7-5 / 6-6 schools. A&M had obvious handicaps and a negative trajectory for the last half of the season. Clemson I'll respect, especially if they keep winning and especially after Dabo had the guts to discipline those kids before the big games. Florida State after the shenanigans of the past few years and their long love affair with the Tallahassee P.D., not so much.

What Louisville has is a bright future. The quarterback is All American in my book. Other than that you under-performed against a team you should have buried. With the right recruits I think you will contend for the ACC championship next year, but that's a long way off.

So pardon me if I forgo the potty training praise for ACC millennials who want applause when they make yellow and flush. Life is hard, time is short, and you have to earn everything you get. The bowl season helps to prove that every year. When I see your school perform in stellar fashion you'll have my praise and respect.

Have a Happy New Year at least it looks promising for your school!

I didn't realize that good sportsmanship was just "potty training praise for ACC millennials who want applause when they make yellow and flush". The "uninspired" excuse for an SEC losing a game is tiresome to me in general, this is my own personal view & do not pass it on to others. My upbringing in life has taught me to shake hands after a competition & treat my opponent with respect win or lose.

I give Auburn respect for beating Louisville this year, congrats on the win. When have I not? Anyone who requires excuses for a loss doesn't deserve respect. Congrats to Auburn for beating a tough Memphis team.

You raised the excuse that A&M was on their 3rd string QB, didn't Ohio St win a title last year with a 3rd string QB? Isn't A&M 3rd string QB a 4* recruit & has participated in practice all season? How has backup QB faired this season? Then there's the infamous SEC excuse, the "God awful, uninspired, and totally undisciplined Aggies performance". If these bowls are so below an SEC team then let someone else go. I give Georgia all kinds of respect for thumping Louisville last year in our bowl game, our 3rd string QB didn't have anything to do with Chubb running all over our D.

Certainly A&M had adversity throughout the game, as did Louisville, but that is part of the game. Look at the FSU/Houston game, is FSU "uninspired"? No, Houston is kicking their butts 24-10 currently. No excuses, congrats Houston.

I respect you JR, I was surprised by your comments fitting of a Finebaum caller.

Happy New Year JR, hopefully Auburn can turn things around next year & win the SEC.
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(12-30-2015 05:26 PM)bullet Wrote:  
(12-30-2015 05:13 PM)EvilVodka Wrote:  SEC West really flexing their muscle in the postseason so far

LSU 8-3 vs. 7-5 TT the 2nd to worst defense in the country.
Auburn 6-6 vs. Memphis 9-3 without a coach.
MSU 8-4 vs. a 7-5 ACC school.

SEC had really good matchups and haven't really shown anything yet except they can take advantage of those. Michigan St. is the best possible Alabama matchup. SEC West also has
A&M 8-4 vs. a 7-5 ACC school
Ole Miss 9-3 vs. Okie St. 10-2 with a couple of gift wins from referees
Arkansas 7-5 vs. KSU 6-6

So it really doesn't tell us much about them either way.


A&M losses to Lville
LSU beats a team with no defense
have to give Auburn props for convincing win over Memphis but let's see how the rest of the season plays out before any chest thumping takes place

Big 10 so far has only 1 loss by Indiana in OT by 3pts to Duke
A 5-7 Nebraska team beat UCLA and
Wisky beat a ranked USC
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(12-31-2015 02:43 PM)UCGrad1992 Wrote:  A&M only lost by 6 pt. so they didn't exactly get taken behind the woodshed. If the Crimson Tide wins tonight the SEC West is 4-1 in bowls. Ole Miss and Arkansas still have yet to play (Jan. 1st and 2nd) so it is very possible the SEC West gets to 6-1. As Adam Sandler says, "Not too shabby."

I give A&M a ton of credit for battling through adversity, it was a tough game. Both teams fought hard & Louisville was fortunate to come out with the victory. The SEC west is the toughest division in football bar none.
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(12-31-2015 03:31 PM)Lenvillecards Wrote:  
(12-31-2015 02:43 PM)UCGrad1992 Wrote:  A&M only lost by 6 pt. so they didn't exactly get taken behind the woodshed. If the Crimson Tide wins tonight the SEC West is 4-1 in bowls. Ole Miss and Arkansas still have yet to play (Jan. 1st and 2nd) so it is very possible the SEC West gets to 6-1. As Adam Sandler says, "Not too shabby."

I give A&M a ton of credit for battling through adversity, it was a tough game. Both teams fought hard & Louisville was fortunate to come out with the victory. The SEC west is the toughest division in football bar none.

Yep. No "over-rated" chants from me. As I posted earlier, you still have to play and execute the game plan and win the game despite the matchup and circumstances. Nothing should be taken away from the Cards win over the Aggies in that regard. If the SEC West does in fact finish 6-1 that would make the A&M win all that more impressive. Must admit, I am not a fan of Petrino but the future looks bright for you guys.
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(12-31-2015 03:46 PM)UCGrad1992 Wrote:  
(12-31-2015 03:31 PM)Lenvillecards Wrote:  
(12-31-2015 02:43 PM)UCGrad1992 Wrote:  A&M only lost by 6 pt. so they didn't exactly get taken behind the woodshed. If the Crimson Tide wins tonight the SEC West is 4-1 in bowls. Ole Miss and Arkansas still have yet to play (Jan. 1st and 2nd) so it is very possible the SEC West gets to 6-1. As Adam Sandler says, "Not too shabby."

I give A&M a ton of credit for battling through adversity, it was a tough game. Both teams fought hard & Louisville was fortunate to come out with the victory. The SEC west is the toughest division in football bar none.

Yep. No "over-rated" chants from me. As I posted earlier, you still have to play and execute the game plan and win the game despite the matchup and circumstances. Nothing should be taken away from the Cards win over the Aggies in that regard. If the SEC West does in fact finish 6-1 that would make the A&M win all that more impressive. Must admit, I am not a fan of Petrino but the future looks bright for you guys.

I think the future looks bright for the AAC as well. Houston is legit & Navy is really good. Memphis ran into an Auburn team that is loaded with talent but has struggled putting it all together this year. Cincinnati won't be down for long but It doesn't seem like it's working out with Tubs. Hopefully he can make the right adjustments for next season. I'm used to seeing Cincy on top of the conference rankings.
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(12-31-2015 04:18 PM)Lenvillecards Wrote:  
(12-31-2015 03:46 PM)UCGrad1992 Wrote:  
(12-31-2015 03:31 PM)Lenvillecards Wrote:  
(12-31-2015 02:43 PM)UCGrad1992 Wrote:  A&M only lost by 6 pt. so they didn't exactly get taken behind the woodshed. If the Crimson Tide wins tonight the SEC West is 4-1 in bowls. Ole Miss and Arkansas still have yet to play (Jan. 1st and 2nd) so it is very possible the SEC West gets to 6-1. As Adam Sandler says, "Not too shabby."

I give A&M a ton of credit for battling through adversity, it was a tough game. Both teams fought hard & Louisville was fortunate to come out with the victory. The SEC west is the toughest division in football bar none.

Yep. No "over-rated" chants from me. As I posted earlier, you still have to play and execute the game plan and win the game despite the matchup and circumstances. Nothing should be taken away from the Cards win over the Aggies in that regard. If the SEC West does in fact finish 6-1 that would make the A&M win all that more impressive. Must admit, I am not a fan of Petrino but the future looks bright for you guys.

I think the future looks bright for the AAC as well. Houston is legit & Navy is really good. Memphis ran into an Auburn team that is loaded with talent but has struggled putting it all together this year. Cincinnati won't be down for long but It doesn't seem like it's working out with Tubs. Hopefully he can make the right adjustments for next season. I'm used to seeing Cincy on top of the conference rankings.

Thanks for the encouragement Lenville. I won't waste time here sharing my (ill) feelings for Tubs. I hope we can turn it around...
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(12-31-2015 03:21 PM)Lenvillecards Wrote:  
(12-31-2015 02:23 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(12-31-2015 11:25 AM)Lenvillecards Wrote:  
(12-30-2015 08:24 PM)JRsec Wrote:  What I find myself wondering is in the midst of this God awful, uninspired, and totally undisciplined Aggies performance, is how fortuitous it might be that Chip Kelly may be available following what appears to be a collapse by a team that Sumlin has lost his cred with.

The same ole SEC excuses are getting tiresome JR. Whenever an SEC losses it's always because they were uninspired, whose fault is that? Stay home & let someone who wants to be there go then. I remember the same excuses from the Sugar Bowl. Florida was uninspired despite the inspired late hits on the QB. How about fans occasionally show some class & give their opponent some respect.

Why? The truth is the truth and my God awful Auburn team beat your Cardinals when the season started. Where's our respect? We deserved little. That's true of all 7-5 / 6-6 schools. A&M had obvious handicaps and a negative trajectory for the last half of the season. Clemson I'll respect, especially if they keep winning and especially after Dabo had the guts to discipline those kids before the big games. Florida State after the shenanigans of the past few years and their long love affair with the Tallahassee P.D., not so much.

What Louisville has is a bright future. The quarterback is All American in my book. Other than that you under-performed against a team you should have buried. With the right recruits I think you will contend for the ACC championship next year, but that's a long way off.

So pardon me if I forgo the potty training praise for ACC millennials who want applause when they make yellow and flush. Life is hard, time is short, and you have to earn everything you get. The bowl season helps to prove that every year. When I see your school perform in stellar fashion you'll have my praise and respect.

Have a Happy New Year at least it looks promising for your school!

I didn't realize that good sportsmanship was just "potty training praise for ACC millennials who want applause when they make yellow and flush". The "uninspired" excuse for an SEC losing a game is tiresome to me in general, this is my own personal view & do not pass it on to others. My upbringing in life has taught me to shake hands after a competition & treat my opponent with respect win or lose.

I give Auburn respect for beating Louisville this year, congrats on the win. When have I not? Anyone who requires excuses for a loss doesn't deserve respect. Congrats to Auburn for beating a tough Memphis team.

You raised the excuse that A&M was on their 3rd string QB, didn't Ohio St win a title last year with a 3rd string QB? Isn't A&M 3rd string QB a 4* recruit & has participated in practice all season? How has backup QB faired this season? Then there's the infamous SEC excuse, the "God awful, uninspired, and totally undisciplined Aggies performance". If these bowls are so below an SEC team then let someone else go. I give Georgia all kinds of respect for thumping Louisville last year in our bowl game, our 3rd string QB didn't have anything to do with Chubb running all over our D.

Certainly A&M had adversity throughout the game, as did Louisville, but that is part of the game. Look at the FSU/Houston game, is FSU "uninspired"? No, Houston is kicking their butts 24-10 currently. No excuses, congrats Houston.

I respect you JR, I was surprised by your comments fitting of a Finebaum caller.

Happy New Year JR, hopefully Auburn can turn things around next year & win the SEC.

I'm glad to hear you played. So many around here never played a down at an organized level beyond pee wee ball. I played the line both ways. Yes there was always sportsmanship afterward. You just spent two and half hours pounding on each other so you get to know a lot about the other guy because of it. I always enjoyed the play on the field and on the diamond. The games are for the kids and that's why I yearn for a champs only model to get the committees, polls, computers and nerd pundits who never played out of the mix. Settle it all on the field and we are back to being a better society IMO.

I also like your grit. You stand up for yourself when pushed. That's a sign of good character. I meant what I said about your Cardinals, their future is bright. But remember this, sportsmanship is for sportsmen. You earn it along with the respect of your competitors. You earn it looking each other in the eye, and suffering the same ordeal win or lose. But it is a bond only between competitors. I've never met many spectators who were gracious, or respectful. They are usually drunk, feel entitled, and are surly. The ones that are nice are the ones that once played.

Message boards have nothing that build sportsmanship. They are usually broken down in whiners, snipers (those who take shots at you), fact finders, analysts, and anonymous azzes usually referred to as trolls, of which some have a humorous side and some just offer us wasted space and time, and professional bloggers who have positions they are trying to sell. There are even some conference PR guys, and network people who are looking for feedback and ideas. It's a strange mix and the only thing they have in common is their interest in sports.

When we get a preponderance of one particular age group or type, that too can become excessively annoying. But in that regard I'm feeling more like the old Johnny Horton song about Andrew Jackson and the Battle of New Orleans, "We fired our guns and British kept a comin' there wasn't nigh as many as there was a while ago". Only now I'm in the generation that aren't "as nigh as many as there was a while ago" and you younger guys were raised in a world totally alien to mine in reasoning, expectations, sensitivity, training, and problem solving. Just about every young man played when I was coming along. We never heard the jawing garbage that is so prevalent today. In fact I once had a coach who referred in his later years to the younger generation as Seagulls. He said that if Seagulls had a purpose he couldn't find it. "All they do is squawk, pick at anything that is wounded, and you can't eat 'em. Their eggs are worthless and all they produce are more seagulls which crap all over everything." He said he feared living in a world filled with Seagulls. He fought the Japanese and then the Communists in Korea, he didn't fear the change of the late 50's with social rebellion, or the 60's. But when he was in his later years he said what he feared most in life was being cared for by his grandchildren's generation. He said they were adults and didn't know how to take care of anything, but did find the time to complain about everything instead of finding solutions. I'm now where he was and what I thought was hilarious at the time looks more frightening every day.
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The ACC is blooming into an upper echelon conference when you consider Clemson played in the Men's Soccer National title game, Boston College's multiple Ice Hockey National Championships, Duke's multiple Men's Hoops National Championships, FSU winning an FBS title 2 years ago & Clemson entering the CFP with a #1 ranking.

There are few sports that at least 1 ACC program does not do very well.
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(12-31-2015 03:24 PM)Policiious Wrote:  
(12-30-2015 05:26 PM)bullet Wrote:  
(12-30-2015 05:13 PM)EvilVodka Wrote:  SEC West really flexing their muscle in the postseason so far

LSU 8-3 vs. 7-5 TT the 2nd to worst defense in the country.
Auburn 6-6 vs. Memphis 9-3 without a coach.
MSU 8-4 vs. a 7-5 ACC school.

SEC had really good matchups and haven't really shown anything yet except they can take advantage of those. Michigan St. is the best possible Alabama matchup. SEC West also has
A&M 8-4 vs. a 7-5 ACC school
Ole Miss 9-3 vs. Okie St. 10-2 with a couple of gift wins from referees
Arkansas 7-5 vs. KSU 6-6

So it really doesn't tell us much about them either way.


A&M losses to Lville
LSU beats a team with no defense
have to give Auburn props for convincing win over Memphis but let's see how the rest of the season plays out before any chest thumping takes place

Big 10 so far has only 1 loss by Indiana in OT by 3pts to Duke
A 5-7 Nebraska team beat UCLA and
Wisky beat a ranked USC

The team with "no defense" still won 7 games and was a tipped pass away from beating TCU. Defense or not they were still a fine team LSU deserves some credit for beating
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