Logistics nothing: If you can get to Morgantown from Waco or Ames you can get to Provo.

But the time zone thing is interesting. If they didn't already have a school on the east coast then bringing in a school from Utah wouldn't be so crazy. That being said, there's now a conference with schools in New Jersey and Nebraska in it, so what do I know.

I'll say this - If I was a Colorado State alum I'd be screaming my head off at the admin or athletic department for not being more in the Big XII conversation. I realize it's only CSU, but if Boise State can be in on that conversation so could CSU if they only gave a damn.

(12-29-2015 12:01 PM)k2tigers Wrote:  And doesn't understand why FedEx and AutoZone matter

Um, I don't, either...

(12-29-2015 08:45 PM)HoopDreams Wrote:  

(12-29-2015 03:17 PM)ncrdbl1 Wrote:  One person just suggested SDSU. LOL

The AAC wanted them once.

And they have a pretty good coverage area from what I remember seeing one it those maps awhile back.

The Big East wanted them because the Big East wanted Boise State.

(12-29-2015 09:00 PM)SMUleopold Wrote:  

(12-29-2015 12:01 PM)k2tigers Wrote:  And doesn't understand why FedEx and AutoZone matter

Um, I don't, either...

Try removing head from arse....

(12-29-2015 09:02 PM)Briskbas Wrote:  

(12-29-2015 08:45 PM)HoopDreams Wrote:  

(12-29-2015 03:17 PM)ncrdbl1 Wrote:  One person just suggested SDSU. LOL

The AAC wanted them once.

And they have a pretty good coverage area from what I remember seeing one it those maps awhile back.

The Big East wanted them because the Big East wanted Boise State.

Probably so.

Just saying they have merits.

At one time folks LOLed Memphis as well.

(12-29-2015 01:31 PM)tigergg Wrote:  Probably better than 50 50 chance they don't add anybody!!

More like 90/10 until someone else bolts

(12-29-2015 10:38 PM)Brother Bluto Wrote:  

(12-29-2015 01:31 PM)tigergg Wrote:  Probably better than 50 50 chance they don't add anybody!!

More like 90/10 until someone else bolts

Not really. Comes down to the committee vote in January -and what the odds are that they get their CCG with less than 12 teams and only one division.

I'd say those chances are less than 50% that the B12 gets what they want. So somewhere around 50% that they expand.

(12-29-2015 05:33 PM)Briskbas Wrote:  

(12-29-2015 04:13 PM)DallasTiger Wrote:  Utah Population 2.9 million.....3 major schools Utah, Utah State, BYU. There are also 3 other Div 1 colleges in Utah to divide up the pie.

Memphis Metro Area Population 1.4 million. One university.....you could add Ole Miss but it is really more of a neighboring state university than a Memphis University.

Total Mormon population of the United States, 6.1 million. 2 million in Utah alone, with sizable populations in California (750k), Idaho (400k), Arizona (400k), Texas (325k), Washington (275k), Nevada (175k) Oregon (150k), Colorado (150k), and Florida (150K).

Memphis more or less splits its interests between Memphis, Tennessee, and Ole Miss, and has pretty good sized Mississippi State, Alabama, and Arkansas fan bases as well.

You say Memphis splits its interests with SEC schools. True. Doesn't matter when it comes to cable bundling, but true.

However, you don't think the Mormons split their interests in places like Cali, Texas, Florida, Arizona? Vast minority in those outposts. Certainly not enough to get B12 in the cable bundle just based on Mormon interest.

(12-29-2015 08:57 PM)SMUleopold Wrote:  Logistics nothing: If you can get to Morgantown from Waco or Ames you can get to Provo.

But the time zone thing is interesting. If they didn't already have a school on the east coast then bringing in a school from Utah wouldn't be so crazy. That being said, there's now a conference with schools in New Jersey and Nebraska in it, so what do I know.

I'll say this - If I was a Colorado State alum I'd be screaming my head off at the admin or athletic department for not being more in the Big XII conversation. I realize it's only CSU, but if Boise State can be in on that conversation so could CSU if they only gave a damn.

Logistics/time zones do matter. Not top priority, but you're foolish if you think they don't.

And who really thinks Boise is seriously in the conversation?

(12-29-2015 08:57 PM)SMUleopold Wrote:  Logistics nothing: If you can get to Morgantown from Waco or Ames you can get to Provo.

But the time zone thing is interesting. If they didn't already have a school on the east coast then bringing in a school from Utah wouldn't be so crazy. That being said, there's now a conference with schools in New Jersey and Nebraska in it, so what do I know.

I'll say this - If I was a Colorado State alum I'd be screaming my head off at the admin or athletic department for not being more in the Big XII conversation. I realize it's only CSU, but if Boise State can be in on that conversation so could CSU if they only gave a damn.

Logistics of getting 4 or 5 conference football teams every year does not matter. The logistics of getting the wrestling team, gymnastics teams, baseball teams, and all of the other non-revenue generating sports matters...

(12-29-2015 09:19 PM)TigerSeth Wrote:  

(12-29-2015 09:00 PM)SMUleopold Wrote:  

(12-29-2015 12:01 PM)k2tigers Wrote:  And doesn't understand why FedEx and AutoZone matter

Um, I don't, either...

Try removing head from arse....

No, honest question.

I see only a question of television and football programs. I don't doubt that corporate support matters in an indirect way, where they can help build facilities and such, but I don't think that the ACC brought Louisville in for chicken and pizza.
I mean, Fred Smith offered FedEx support up on a plate and it didn't matter. Other schools could probably offer their own corporate support but I really honestly don't think it means as much as bringing in a school that has a nationally recognized brand name, solid attendance, and a competitive budget.

So I really honestly don't see how FedEx and Auto Zone matter. Explain it to me.

(12-30-2015 01:09 AM)SMUleopold Wrote:  

(12-29-2015 09:19 PM)TigerSeth Wrote:  

(12-29-2015 09:00 PM)SMUleopold Wrote:  

(12-29-2015 12:01 PM)k2tigers Wrote:  And doesn't understand why FedEx and AutoZone matter

Um, I don't, either...

Try removing head from arse....

No, honest question.

I see only a question of television and football programs. I don't doubt that corporate support matters in an indirect way, where they can help build facilities and such, but I don't think that the ACC brought Louisville in for chicken and pizza.
I mean, Fred Smith offered FedEx support up on a plate and it didn't matter. Other schools could probably offer their own corporate support but I really honestly don't think it means as much as bringing in a school that has a nationally recognized brand name, solid attendance, and a competitive budget.

So I really honestly don't see how FedEx and Auto Zone matter. Explain it to me.

I would venture the original point would be that Fred Smith would presumedly be willing to help bankroll something that would be financially interesting to Big 12 member institutions.

I would venture a guess that a scenario like that can only help Memphis, but I would also assume that:

a. Other legitimate candidates have corporate titans who support them as well and

b. There are other factors that matter more (competitiveness, market size, cultural fits, location, brand, academics, etc, etc).

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I guess it a long way of saying that Fred Smith and Fed Ex are fabulous supporters of the program and would certainly be of major help to any bid Memphis would make to join P5 status, but it will take not only their support, but many other factors to break our way.

Mr Smith / Fed Ex are HUGE, but it's going to take everything we can offer to make a leap like that.

FedEx also has a long history of sponsoring sports and sporting events, pro and college. With that, FedEx also has a long history of supporting the University of Memphis' athletics program and the city as a whole. I understand FedEx has been willing to 'assist' Memphis with conference affiliation in the past, maybe that continues to be the case. So, if one of the goals of the B12 is a championship game FedEx might offer Memphis some assistance there ... maybe as a sponsor / naming rights or in some other way. If another is the creation of a B12 Network Memphis might also find FedEx willing to help there... maybe as a sponsor etc. That's one of the ideas at least. I hope.

(12-29-2015 08:57 PM)SMUleopold Wrote:  Logistics nothing: If you can get to Morgantown from Waco or Ames you can get to Provo.

But the time zone thing is interesting. If they didn't already have a school on the east coast then bringing in a school from Utah wouldn't be so crazy. That being said, there's now a conference with schools in New Jersey and Nebraska in it, so what do I know.

I'll say this - If I was a Colorado State alum I'd be screaming my head off at the admin or athletic department for not being more in the Big XII conversation. I realize it's only CSU, but if Boise State can be in on that conversation so could CSU if they only gave a damn.

CSU offers nothing.....zero.

(12-30-2015 10:21 AM)bengltgrs Wrote:  

(12-29-2015 08:57 PM)SMUleopold Wrote:  Logistics nothing: If you can get to Morgantown from Waco or Ames you can get to Provo.

But the time zone thing is interesting. If they didn't already have a school on the east coast then bringing in a school from Utah wouldn't be so crazy. That being said, there's now a conference with schools in New Jersey and Nebraska in it, so what do I know.

I'll say this - If I was a Colorado State alum I'd be screaming my head off at the admin or athletic department for not being more in the Big XII conversation. I realize it's only CSU, but if Boise State can be in on that conversation so could CSU if they only gave a damn.

CSU offers nothing.....zero.

That's wishful thinking.

Based on the USA Today coverage map, Colorado State does have a solid following in Colorado. They also reside in a territory the B12 lost, have a solid enough football program and are right next to Kansas. Are they the best candidate out there - not saying that at all. Colorado State is a fine program that has merit.

(12-30-2015 08:58 AM)Tigers2B1 Wrote:  FedEx also has a long history of sponsoring sports and sporting events, pro and college. With that, FedEx also has a long history of supporting the University of Memphis' athletics program and the city as a whole. I understand FedEx has been willing to 'assist' Memphis with conference affiliation in the past, maybe that continues to be the case. So, if one of the goals of the B12 is a championship game FedEx might offer Memphis some assistance there ... maybe as a sponsor / naming rights or in some other way. If another is the creation of a B12 Network Memphis might also find FedEx willing to help there... maybe as a sponsor etc. That's one of the ideas at least. I hope.

I agree with this assessment, as well as share your hope that Fed Ex would step up again (we are VERY lucky as a fan base to have such a generous benefactor!).

I just thing that at times some of us (not speaking of you) forget that other programs can have benefactors as well.

I would not think Fed Ex is an end all trump card, but I would say it's a hell of a chip to help us if the rest of the package the U of M provides is top notch. Probably not enough on it's own, but perhaps enough to put us over the top if we get close.

(12-29-2015 10:47 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(12-29-2015 05:33 PM)Briskbas Wrote:  

(12-29-2015 04:13 PM)DallasTiger Wrote:  Utah Population 2.9 million.....3 major schools Utah, Utah State, BYU. There are also 3 other Div 1 colleges in Utah to divide up the pie.

Memphis Metro Area Population 1.4 million. One university.....you could add Ole Miss but it is really more of a neighboring state university than a Memphis University.

Total Mormon population of the United States, 6.1 million. 2 million in Utah alone, with sizable populations in California (750k), Idaho (400k), Arizona (400k), Texas (325k), Washington (275k), Nevada (175k) Oregon (150k), Colorado (150k), and Florida (150K).

Memphis more or less splits its interests between Memphis, Tennessee, and Ole Miss, and has pretty good sized Mississippi State, Alabama, and Arkansas fan bases as well.

You say Memphis splits its interests with SEC schools. True. Doesn't matter when it comes to cable bundling, but true.

However, you don't think the Mormons split their interests in places like Cali, Texas, Florida, Arizona? Vast minority in those outposts. Certainly not enough to get B12 in the cable bundle just based on Mormon interest.

Here is another problem with the Mormon market....my guess is that one of the top ad categories for college football is.......alcoholic beverages. Here is an ADWEEK article about the beer wars between Bush and Miller. I am sure Mormons are NOT in their target audience of "multiple beer consumers". http://www.adweek.com/news/advertising/b...-brewing-c

(12-30-2015 10:33 AM)HoopDreams Wrote:  

(12-30-2015 10:21 AM)bengltgrs Wrote:  

(12-29-2015 08:57 PM)SMUleopold Wrote:  Logistics nothing: If you can get to Morgantown from Waco or Ames you can get to Provo.

But the time zone thing is interesting. If they didn't already have a school on the east coast then bringing in a school from Utah wouldn't be so crazy. That being said, there's now a conference with schools in New Jersey and Nebraska in it, so what do I know.

I'll say this - If I was a Colorado State alum I'd be screaming my head off at the admin or athletic department for not being more in the Big XII conversation. I realize it's only CSU, but if Boise State can be in on that conversation so could CSU if they only gave a damn.

CSU offers nothing.....zero.

That's wishful thinking.

Based on the USA Today coverage map, Colorado State does have a solid following in Colorado. They also reside in a territory the B12 lost, have a solid enough football program and are right next to Kansas. Are they the best candidate out there - not saying that at all. Colorado State is a fine program that has merit.

Since they are basically never discussed, I am going with no...

(12-30-2015 11:44 AM)Tygrys Wrote:  

(12-30-2015 10:33 AM)HoopDreams Wrote:  

(12-30-2015 10:21 AM)bengltgrs Wrote:  

(12-29-2015 08:57 PM)SMUleopold Wrote:  Logistics nothing: If you can get to Morgantown from Waco or Ames you can get to Provo.

But the time zone thing is interesting. If they didn't already have a school on the east coast then bringing in a school from Utah wouldn't be so crazy. That being said, there's now a conference with schools in New Jersey and Nebraska in it, so what do I know.

I'll say this - If I was a Colorado State alum I'd be screaming my head off at the admin or athletic department for not being more in the Big XII conversation. I realize it's only CSU, but if Boise State can be in on that conversation so could CSU if they only gave a damn.

CSU offers nothing.....zero.

That's wishful thinking.

Based on the USA Today coverage map, Colorado State does have a solid following in Colorado. They also reside in a territory the B12 lost, have a solid enough football program and are right next to Kansas. Are they the best candidate out there - not saying that at all. Colorado State is a fine program that has merit.

Since they are basically never discussed, I am going with no...

Okay, but here is a CSU mention in a 2015 ESPN article concerning B12 expansion.

http://espn.go.com/college-football/stor...g-12-image

(12-30-2015 11:47 AM)HoopDreams Wrote:  

(12-30-2015 11:44 AM)Tygrys Wrote:  

(12-30-2015 10:33 AM)HoopDreams Wrote:  

(12-30-2015 10:21 AM)bengltgrs Wrote:  

(12-29-2015 08:57 PM)SMUleopold Wrote:  Logistics nothing: If you can get to Morgantown from Waco or Ames you can get to Provo.

But the time zone thing is interesting. If they didn't already have a school on the east coast then bringing in a school from Utah wouldn't be so crazy. That being said, there's now a conference with schools in New Jersey and Nebraska in it, so what do I know.

I'll say this - If I was a Colorado State alum I'd be screaming my head off at the admin or athletic department for not being more in the Big XII conversation. I realize it's only CSU, but if Boise State can be in on that conversation so could CSU if they only gave a damn.

CSU offers nothing.....zero.

That's wishful thinking.

Based on the USA Today coverage map, Colorado State does have a solid following in Colorado. They also reside in a territory the B12 lost, have a solid enough football program and are right next to Kansas. Are they the best candidate out there - not saying that at all. Colorado State is a fine program that has merit.

Since they are basically never discussed, I am going with no...

Okay, but here is a CSU mention in a 2015 ESPN article concerning B12 expansion.

http://espn.go.com/college-football/stor...g-12-image

Again they are basically never discussed when it comes to conference expansion. They are mentioned from time to time but rarely if ever discussed as candidates for expansion.

The write also states that Boise State would add more to the TV pie than they would take away which leads me to believe he is not exactly up to speed on how all of this works...