(12-29-2015 11:11 AM)UofMemphis Wrote:  ^ look out everybody...he's a OBGYN, now!

Well he's also absolutely right. Once women hit 35 fertility declines very rapidly.

(12-29-2015 11:47 AM)Smaug Wrote:  So, not everybody wants kids. I'm a big fan of people who don't want kids not having them.

Amen

(12-29-2015 05:57 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(12-29-2015 03:14 PM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  

(12-29-2015 12:20 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(12-29-2015 12:03 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  Nobody wants to force women to have children against their will at the individual level. It is the prevailing cognitive narrative that needs to change as it has created a major socio-cultural problem. The state of the family is in shambles and the mental health state of society is at rock bottom. I haven't brought up religion once.

you need to learn to mind your own business...if other people are having kids or not isn't your concern...just worry about yourself

I figure if I am going to be forced by the federal government to help pay for their healthcare with the money they steal from every paycheck I should have a say.

(12-30-2015 12:32 AM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(12-29-2015 05:57 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(12-29-2015 03:14 PM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  

(12-29-2015 12:20 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(12-29-2015 12:03 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  Nobody wants to force women to have children against their will at the individual level. It is the prevailing cognitive narrative that needs to change as it has created a major socio-cultural problem. The state of the family is in shambles and the mental health state of society is at rock bottom. I haven't brought up religion once.

you need to learn to mind your own business...if other people are having kids or not isn't your concern...just worry about yourself

I figure if I am going to be forced by the federal government to help pay for their healthcare with the money they steal from every paycheck I should have a say.

I get where you're coming from. I hate paying taxes -- federal, state and local, property and income and sales.

Course, I figure the alternative is probably worse. And I never really looked at it as stealing -- because I realize there were folks who paid taxes to help educate me, and paid my salary while I was in the military, and paid for road infrastructure, and paid for research that helped make my quality of life better ... and pay for cops and firefighters and paramedics and so on. Now it's my turn.

(12-30-2015 12:32 AM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(12-29-2015 05:57 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(12-29-2015 03:14 PM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  

(12-29-2015 12:20 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(12-29-2015 12:03 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  Nobody wants to force women to have children against their will at the individual level. It is the prevailing cognitive narrative that needs to change as it has created a major socio-cultural problem. The state of the family is in shambles and the mental health state of society is at rock bottom. I haven't brought up religion once.

you need to learn to mind your own business...if other people are having kids or not isn't your concern...just worry about yourself

I figure if I am going to be forced by the federal government to help pay for their healthcare with the money they steal from every paycheck I should have a say.

I see Republicans didn't take civics...you pay taxes you OWE this great government...and the folks we the people elect decide how it's spent...don't like it? vote for someone else...your side lost? tough ****

I was probably in the worst spot of my life when I got married and she was too. We were both ending our time with the coast guard. She didn't have great work prospects and I worked for my father. This isn't to mention having two almost incompatible cultures. We were probably the least ready to get married and do well couple there was in the whole town.

(12-30-2015 10:54 PM)nomad2u2001 Wrote:  I was probably in the worst spot of my life when I got married and she was too. We were both ending our time with the coast guard. She didn't have great work prospects and I worked for my father. This isn't to mention having two almost incompatible cultures. We were probably the least ready to get married and do well couple there was in the whole town.

What's her culture?

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(12-30-2015 10:54 PM)nomad2u2001 Wrote:  I was probably in the worst spot of my life when I got married and she was too. We were both ending our time with the coast guard. She didn't have great work prospects and I worked for my father. This isn't to mention having two almost incompatible cultures. We were probably the least ready to get married and do well couple there was in the whole town.

You are African American, right? What is she? I find that opposites actually work better. Marriage takes work and you were prepared to have to work at it.

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(12-30-2015 11:17 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(12-30-2015 10:54 PM)nomad2u2001 Wrote:  I was probably in the worst spot of my life when I got married and she was too. We were both ending our time with the coast guard. She didn't have great work prospects and I worked for my father. This isn't to mention having two almost incompatible cultures. We were probably the least ready to get married and do well couple there was in the whole town.

You are African American, right? What is she? I find that opposites actually work better. Marriage takes work and you were prepared to have to work at it.

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Indian, but from the Caribbean. To be fair, Indians and black people have pretty much become more or less one group there.

BUT up until very recently her family still did things like arranged marriages.

(12-30-2015 09:56 AM)gsu95 Wrote:  

(12-30-2015 12:32 AM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(12-29-2015 05:57 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(12-29-2015 03:14 PM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  

(12-29-2015 12:20 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

you need to learn to mind your own business...if other people are having kids or not isn't your concern...just worry about yourself

I figure if I am going to be forced by the federal government to help pay for their healthcare with the money they steal from every paycheck I should have a say.

I get where you're coming from. I hate paying taxes -- federal, state and local, property and income and sales.

Course, I figure the alternative is probably worse. And I never really looked at it as stealing -- because I realize there were folks who paid taxes to help educate me, and paid my salary while I was in the military, and paid for road infrastructure, and paid for research that helped make my quality of life better ... and pay for cops and firefighters and paramedics and so on. Now it's my turn.

Except most people on welfare probably aren't using taxes to improve their life instead they only mooch. I wish I had the option to decline Social Security, the system will be broken by the time I am old enough to regain my loat funds. Thanks big government for stealing my wages! Taxation is theft. The government has no right to anyone's money. I wouldn't mind paying taxes if the monies were used in a responsible manner.

Hard to get married when they want to live at home until they are 35.

(12-31-2015 09:53 AM)VA49er Wrote:  Hard to get married when they want to live at home until they are 35.

Yep, we are going from a country where it was normal to get out of the house when you were 18, get a job and apartment, go to college, or Military, to staying in Mom's basement as long as possible.

Maybe married couple can live in the basement and have a couple of kids.
Kind of like how it is in 3rd World countries.

In the millenial culture, responsibility is a vice and irresponsibility is a virtue. When I graduated from college in May 2001, I lived at home without a job until September. That summer I hid from the world because I was embarrassed to run into someone from high school and having to tell them I wasn't doing schit with my life. That shame seems to elude these people today.

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(12-31-2015 11:02 AM)EverRespect Wrote:  In the millenial culture, responsibility is a vice and irresponsibility is a virtue. When I graduated from college in May 2001, I lived at home without a job until September. That summer I hid from the world because I was embarrassed to run into someone from high school and having to tell them I wasn't doing schit with my life. That shame seems to elude these people today.

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Basically my generation is told: "if you feel what you are doing is right to you, then continue to do so, regardless of common scene."

(12-31-2015 11:05 AM)HarmonOliphantOberlanderDevine Wrote:  

(12-31-2015 11:02 AM)EverRespect Wrote:  In the millenial culture, responsibility is a vice and irresponsibility is a virtue. When I graduated from college in May 2001, I lived at home without a job until September. That summer I hid from the world because I was embarrassed to run into someone from high school and having to tell them I wasn't doing schit with my life. That shame seems to elude these people today.

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Basically my generation is told: "if you feel what you are doing is right to you, then continue to do so, regardless of common scene."

I took a job selling men's clothing at Dillard's for $9 per hour and moved out immediately. My parents did float me the security deposit for my studio apartment... about $500, but I haven't asked them for a penny ever since. Ironically, that was the happiest I have been, making jackschit and scrambling to maintain enough cash to buy the money order for rent each month. It was the first time I experienced selt-actualization and felt like holy schit I am doing this. Taking responsibility for myself was the best thing I ever did. I would never be where I am today with the millenial mindset.

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I guess I've been a bit lucky (or raised them right) as all 3 of mine were gone from the house when they graduated save for the one in law school that lived at home for 2 years during that time. The other 2 went off to college and never moved back in save for a couple of summer breaks during school.

It has GOT to be embarrassing as Hades to be a dude living with mom and trying to date.

(12-31-2015 11:47 AM)Crebman Wrote:  I guess I've been a bit lucky (or raised them right) as all 3 of mine were gone from the house when they graduated save for the one in law school that lived at home for 2 years during that time. The other 2 went off to college and never moved back in save for a couple of summer breaks during school.

That is pretty normal if college is away.

(12-31-2015 04:38 PM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  

(12-31-2015 11:47 AM)Crebman Wrote:  I guess I've been a bit lucky (or raised them right) as all 3 of mine were gone from the house when they graduated save for the one in law school that lived at home for 2 years during that time. The other 2 went off to college and never moved back in save for a couple of summer breaks during school.

That is pretty normal if college is away.

Oh, I know - and college was the next state over.

I'm trying the same approach my parents had with me. Provide a loving, nurturing home, and make them just miserable enough that they'll bolt the first chance they get.