(12-29-2015 08:01 AM)Crewdogz Wrote:  

(12-28-2015 01:02 PM)OhioIsMySacredHome Wrote:  I would love to get a Dantonio disciple down here to build. Bringing in a foreigner like Briles or Tuberville is a recipe for failure.

Brian Kelly, the most successful coach UC has had in the modern era was a 'foreigner' who added Kerry Coombs to his staff. I threw Briles name out there but if you guys want to limit a coaching search to only those with Midwest/Ohio ties you are limiting the pool and program.

Not me. I want the most qualified coach that is excited to be wearing the c paw regardless of Ohio/Midwest ties. Just no coaches on the retirement plan please.

(12-29-2015 08:01 AM)Crewdogz Wrote:  

(12-28-2015 01:02 PM)OhioIsMySacredHome Wrote:  I would love to get a Dantonio disciple down here to build. Bringing in a foreigner like Briles or Tuberville is a recipe for failure.

Brian Kelly, the most successful coach UC has had in the modern era was a 'foreigner' who added Kerry Coombs to his staff. I threw Briles name out there but if you guys want to limit a coaching search to only those with Midwest/Ohio ties you are limiting the pool and program.

A foreigner from Michigan for years who had experience in Ohio. Not like he was from some other region of the country his entire career and then hired a staff with zero Ohio and Midwest experience like someone else I know.

It's important to have a staff with experience here.

I can understand having hire criteria to help compare and rank candidates with one of those being Midwest recruiting/coaching ties. If a candidate is strong in all other things u are looking for in a coach but weak in Ohio connections do you not hire him relative to other candidates that have weaker areas? It depends and I don't think we should use TT as a reason not to hire a "foreigner." Also, in terms of right now the candidates pool is smaller due to all the recent hires. We may not have the luxury of those interested in coming to UC that we may have had otherwise.

(12-29-2015 09:36 AM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  

(12-29-2015 08:01 AM)Crewdogz Wrote:  

(12-28-2015 01:02 PM)OhioIsMySacredHome Wrote:  I would love to get a Dantonio disciple down here to build. Bringing in a foreigner like Briles or Tuberville is a recipe for failure.

Brian Kelly, the most successful coach UC has had in the modern era was a 'foreigner' who added Kerry Coombs to his staff. I threw Briles name out there but if you guys want to limit a coaching search to only those with Midwest/Ohio ties you are limiting the pool and program.

A foreigner from Michigan for years who had experience in Ohio. Not like he was from some other region of the country his entire career and then hired a staff with zero Ohio and Midwest experience like someone else I know.

It's important to have a staff with experience here.

I hear that Houston coach walks on water and he had zero ties to Texas... ZERO.

EDIT: My bad he coached at Texas Lutheran, Sam Houston and Texas State

I don't fault Whit for hiring Tubs, but as a general observation, hires usually work out best when they are made from within the same geographic region. We need to look at MAC HCs, and B10 coordinators.

(12-29-2015 10:02 AM)Crewdogz Wrote:  

(12-29-2015 09:36 AM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  

(12-29-2015 08:01 AM)Crewdogz Wrote:  

(12-28-2015 01:02 PM)OhioIsMySacredHome Wrote:  I would love to get a Dantonio disciple down here to build. Bringing in a foreigner like Briles or Tuberville is a recipe for failure.

Brian Kelly, the most successful coach UC has had in the modern era was a 'foreigner' who added Kerry Coombs to his staff. I threw Briles name out there but if you guys want to limit a coaching search to only those with Midwest/Ohio ties you are limiting the pool and program.

A foreigner from Michigan for years who had experience in Ohio. Not like he was from some other region of the country his entire career and then hired a staff with zero Ohio and Midwest experience like someone else I know.

It's important to have a staff with experience here.

I hear that Houston coach walks on water and he had zero ties to Texas... ZERO.

EDIT: My bad he coached at Texas Lutheran, Sam Houston and Texas State

You beat me to the punch.

Herman also hired guys with lots of Texas connections in recruiting. Like nearly the entire staff. 8 of 9 have recruited TX almost their entire career.

Too bad Martin hasn't worked out better in Oxford. He'd have been a choice candidate if he'd restored that program to respectability.

(12-29-2015 10:02 AM)Crewdogz Wrote:  

(12-29-2015 09:36 AM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  

(12-29-2015 08:01 AM)Crewdogz Wrote:  

(12-28-2015 01:02 PM)OhioIsMySacredHome Wrote:  I would love to get a Dantonio disciple down here to build. Bringing in a foreigner like Briles or Tuberville is a recipe for failure.

Brian Kelly, the most successful coach UC has had in the modern era was a 'foreigner' who added Kerry Coombs to his staff. I threw Briles name out there but if you guys want to limit a coaching search to only those with Midwest/Ohio ties you are limiting the pool and program.

A foreigner from Michigan for years who had experience in Ohio. Not like he was from some other region of the country his entire career and then hired a staff with zero Ohio and Midwest experience like someone else I know.

It's important to have a staff with experience here.

I hear that Houston coach walks on water and he had zero ties to Texas... ZERO.

EDIT: My bad he coached at Texas Lutheran, Sam Houston and Texas State

Except for the 10 years he spent in Texas on the staffs at Texas, Sam Houston St, Texas St. and Rice. And then recruiting Texas while the OC at Iowa St for a few years and then as OC for Ohio St. But continue on......

(12-29-2015 10:10 AM)Former Lurker Wrote:  Too bad Martin hasn't worked out better in Oxford. He'd have been a choice candidate if he'd restored that program to respectability.

I think ultimately he will win there. I remember a stat from when we played them that 66/85 of their players were freshmen and sophomores.

(12-29-2015 10:09 AM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  Herman also hired guys with lots of Texas connections in recruiting. Like nearly the entire staff. 8 of 9 have recruited TX almost their entire career.

That's the key. When you reside in one of the best states when it comes to generating college football prospects, it's not a bad idea to have guys on your staff that have worked the area a long time and have built strong relationships.

You can still have multiple guys that have great ties to Florida, Texas, etc., but you should have at least 2-3 guys on your staff that have solid histories in the state and/or region.

(12-29-2015 10:20 AM)Racinejake Wrote:  

(12-29-2015 10:02 AM)Crewdogz Wrote:  

(12-29-2015 09:36 AM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  

(12-29-2015 08:01 AM)Crewdogz Wrote:  

(12-28-2015 01:02 PM)OhioIsMySacredHome Wrote:  I would love to get a Dantonio disciple down here to build. Bringing in a foreigner like Briles or Tuberville is a recipe for failure.

Brian Kelly, the most successful coach UC has had in the modern era was a 'foreigner' who added Kerry Coombs to his staff. I threw Briles name out there but if you guys want to limit a coaching search to only those with Midwest/Ohio ties you are limiting the pool and program.

A foreigner from Michigan for years who had experience in Ohio. Not like he was from some other region of the country his entire career and then hired a staff with zero Ohio and Midwest experience like someone else I know.

It's important to have a staff with experience here.

I hear that Houston coach walks on water and he had zero ties to Texas... ZERO.

EDIT: My bad he coached at Texas Lutheran, Sam Houston and Texas State

Except for the 10 years he spent in Texas on the staffs at Texas, Sam Houston St, Texas St. and Rice. And then recruiting Texas while the OC at Iowa St for a few years and then as OC for Ohio St. But continue on......

I mentioned that with my edit you quoted. Continue on...

So many threads hitting on this topic but what could be reasons for retaining Tuberville and being satisfied with his performance?

Is it the overall record looks good?
Is it 3 bowl games?
Is it the personality?
Is it the attendance this year?

How does Bohn counter the arguments on the opposite side?
Bowl game performance has been terrible.
Team underachieved this year.
Lopsided losses...embarrassing performances in Tampa and Hawaii in 2 of 3 last games.
Local recruiting is underwhelming.
Program has fallen behind Temple, Houston, Navy, Memphis and USF this year.

When do you realize a bad fit is a bad fit regardless of the record or the personality?

Undoubtedly attendance and season ticket sales will fall. This is not Ohio State...this program can't afford further loss of momentum. The fan base will walk away.

I am already concerned that we have not heard from the AD this week. They have to extend Tuberville or fire him but doing nothing is actually the worst case scenario for recruiting and program building.

(12-29-2015 10:52 AM)50Cent Wrote:  So many threads hitting on this topic but what could be reasons for retaining Tuberville and being satisfied with his performance?

Is it the overall record looks good?
Is it 3 bowl games?
Is it the personality?
Is it the attendance this year?

How does Bohn counter the arguments on the opposite side?
Bowl game performance has been terrible.
Team underachieved this year.
Lopsided losses...embarrassing performances in Tampa and Hawaii in 2 of 3 last games.
Local recruiting is underwhelming.
Program has fallen behind Temple, Houston, Navy, Memphis and USF this year.

When do you realize a bad fit is a bad fit regardless of the record or the personality?

Undoubtedly attendance and season ticket sales will fall. This is not Ohio State...this program can't afford further loss of momentum. The fan base will walk away.

The pro Tuberville side sites his overall record, conference championship from last season and three post seasons in a row. Best overall record outside of BK and Gillman.

Florida hired Urban Meyer when he had no ties to the SEC. He was an Ohio guy who spent a couple years at Utah. That worked out pretty well. (For that matter Utah hiring Meyer worked out pretty well despite no Utah ties)

LSU hired Saban when he had no ties to the SEC. He was in the NFL and had been coaching at Michigan State. That wasn't a bad hire.

To me you go out and get the best guy and let him put together the staff he think can recruit how he wants it to.

(12-29-2015 10:43 AM)Crewdogz Wrote:  

(12-29-2015 10:20 AM)Racinejake Wrote:  

(12-29-2015 10:02 AM)Crewdogz Wrote:  

(12-29-2015 09:36 AM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  

(12-29-2015 08:01 AM)Crewdogz Wrote:  Brian Kelly, the most successful coach UC has had in the modern era was a 'foreigner' who added Kerry Coombs to his staff. I threw Briles name out there but if you guys want to limit a coaching search to only those with Midwest/Ohio ties you are limiting the pool and program.

A foreigner from Michigan for years who had experience in Ohio. Not like he was from some other region of the country his entire career and then hired a staff with zero Ohio and Midwest experience like someone else I know.

It's important to have a staff with experience here.

I hear that Houston coach walks on water and he had zero ties to Texas... ZERO.

EDIT: My bad he coached at Texas Lutheran, Sam Houston and Texas State

Except for the 10 years he spent in Texas on the staffs at Texas, Sam Houston St, Texas St. and Rice. And then recruiting Texas while the OC at Iowa St for a few years and then as OC for Ohio St. But continue on......

I mentioned that with my edit you quoted. Continue on...

Hmm, wasn't on there when I started my reply

Who did Urban and Saban hire on their staff? Some guys with experience in that area of the world or not?

Fact is, the closest UC still has to a staff member with ties or recruiting experience in this area is Gran who left here 23 years ago after a minute at UC and who has only recruited Florida since the dawn of time.

It was an idiotic way to set up a staff. Hasn't gotten any better 3 years in.

(12-29-2015 10:59 AM)bearcatmark Wrote:  Florida hired Urban Meyer when he had no ties to the SEC. He was an Ohio guy who spent a couple years at Utah. That worked out pretty well. (For that matter Utah hiring Meyer worked out pretty well despite no Utah ties)

LSU hired Saban when he had no ties to the SEC. He was in the NFL and had been coaching at Michigan State. That wasn't a bad hire.

To me you go out and get the best guy and let him put together the staff he think can recruit how he wants it to.

I generally agree with this approach. Some staffs are just good recruiters period. As long as they are great coaches and have a passion for recruiting, I'm fine with a staff that doesn't have deep ties to the local area.

(12-29-2015 08:01 AM)Crewdogz Wrote:  

(12-28-2015 01:02 PM)OhioIsMySacredHome Wrote:  I would love to get a Dantonio disciple down here to build. Bringing in a foreigner like Briles or Tuberville is a recipe for failure.

Brian Kelly, the most successful coach UC has had in the modern era was a 'foreigner' who added Kerry Coombs to his staff. I threw Briles name out there but if you guys want to limit a coaching search to only those with Midwest/Ohio ties you are limiting the pool and program.

100% on board with Briles. He understands innovative thinking wins. He's on his way someplace great. I'd like to be a part of that similar to Kelly.

(12-29-2015 11:15 AM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  Who did Urban and Saban hire on their staff? Some guys with experience in that area of the world or not?

Fact is, the closest UC still has to a staff member with ties or recruiting experience in this area is Gran who left here 23 years ago after a minute at UC and who has only recruited Florida since the dawn of time.

It was an idiotic way to set up a staff. Hasn't gotten any better 3 years in.

Not making comments based on this staff, which clearly hasn't done it's job recruiting locally, but I just think people overrate local ties for a head coach. Just go get the best guy.