(12-25-2015 03:09 AM)toddjnsn Wrote:  Well, I wouldn't be 100% sure he squandered it during the last game, though. Although yes, him dealing with it couldn't have helped.

(1) Some coaches deal with other colleges and it doesn't affect the team much. Especially when the next person-in-line to be HC is a coach on the team, and proves they are a quality HC and win a bowl against a tough (even ranked) opponent.

(2) Toledo was capable of being sub-par. Ely was capable of not having a good game. Heck, against UMass for a half it looked bad, too. They lost to NIU and collpased after 1st Q when NIU lost their starting QB to put a redshirt Frosh in, and also losing a great player Tommy Lee Lewis -- and came BACK to beat Toledo after Toledo's total 1st Q dominance. Was he on the phone at half time? Well, after that they Crushed BGSU! So it's not like it went downhill. They ended up losing to a WMU team that statistically speaking going into it, odds were they were NOT going to go 0-3 against BGSU, NIU, and Toledo. Like Toledo, WMU is capable of playing sub-par and also great. WMU won a tight close game.

So in the end, how much Better would it have been if Matt wasn't scheduling interviews/negotiations with I-owe-what State? Possibly not by much. If Toledo tanked played a sub-par game against BGSU in between those two losses, then I would say it most likely was a big thing. But otherwise, I have to say it wasn't necessarily a huge effect.

I don't agree with any of this. Matt had phoned it in for the WMU (in my opinion because he had to hurry up an sign a contract the next day)(with Iowa State's AD who had already flown to Detroit the same day).
His post game quote was,

Matt Campell Wrote:“Unfortunately, in a game like this today, you gotta attack,” Campbell said. “If you want a game like this, you got to go get it. I just felt like we were a hair apprehensive.”

Oh yeah? Apprehensive? Why, Matt?
Was it because you had no intention of laying all out there for the players, university and fans who got you here because a MACC would delay your new bosses plan?
The only time there was no apprehension in that game was when Ely told the receivers in desperation time to go deep and I will find you. He wanted to win. Ely wanted a MACC game.
I watched in disbelief during that game astonished with the play calling, the lack of urgency, the uncharacteristic lack of pulling out the stops Campbell was know for doing. Like going for it on 4th down. And when he did...he should have kicked a filed goal instead.

It isn't like a coach to not want to win. But it wasn't like Campbell to coach the way he did against WMU. And then come out and basically admit it after the game.

So...just my theory.

Oh, and also the whole he was in Ames, IA the week before...!!
;-)

I think an NCAA "dead period" for coaching hires (delaying until after the season) would benefit the coaches. Pinkel took the Mizzou job and a few weeks later the Ohio State job came open. Had he not taken the job in Columbia, he might have ended up in Columbus. Campbell said the ISU job was a dream of his, but I bet he'd rather be coaching in Madison and the Wiskey job didn't come open until after he moved to Aimes.

(12-26-2015 06:08 PM)RocketJeff Wrote:  I think an NCAA "dead period" for coaching hires (delaying until after the season) would benefit the coaches. Pinkel took the Mizzou job and a few weeks later the Ohio State job came open. Had he not taken the job in Columbia, he might have ended up in Columbus. Campbell said the ISU job was a dream of his, but I bet he'd rather be coaching in Madison and the Wiskey job didn't come open until after he moved to Aimes.

Did Chryst get canned at Wisconsin?

(12-26-2015 07:22 PM)PittRocket Wrote:  

(12-26-2015 06:08 PM)RocketJeff Wrote:  I think an NCAA "dead period" for coaching hires (delaying until after the season) would benefit the coaches. Pinkel took the Mizzou job and a few weeks later the Ohio State job came open. Had he not taken the job in Columbia, he might have ended up in Columbus. Campbell said the ISU job was a dream of his, but I bet he'd rather be coaching in Madison and the Wiskey job didn't come open until after he moved to Aimes.

Did Chryst get canned at Wisconsin?

I thought I heard he retired.

(12-26-2015 07:24 PM)RocketJeff Wrote:  

(12-26-2015 07:22 PM)PittRocket Wrote:  

(12-26-2015 06:08 PM)RocketJeff Wrote:  I think an NCAA "dead period" for coaching hires (delaying until after the season) would benefit the coaches. Pinkel took the Mizzou job and a few weeks later the Ohio State job came open. Had he not taken the job in Columbia, he might have ended up in Columbus. Campbell said the ISU job was a dream of his, but I bet he'd rather be coaching in Madison and the Wiskey job didn't come open until after he moved to Aimes.

Did Chryst get canned at Wisconsin?

I thought I heard he retired.

Or did I get too much sun in Florida?

(12-26-2015 07:24 PM)RocketJeff Wrote:  

(12-26-2015 07:22 PM)PittRocket Wrote:  

(12-26-2015 06:08 PM)RocketJeff Wrote:  I think an NCAA "dead period" for coaching hires (delaying until after the season) would benefit the coaches. Pinkel took the Mizzou job and a few weeks later the Ohio State job came open. Had he not taken the job in Columbia, he might have ended up in Columbus. Campbell said the ISU job was a dream of his, but I bet he'd rather be coaching in Madison and the Wiskey job didn't come open until after he moved to Aimes.

Did Chryst get canned at Wisconsin?

I thought I heard he retired.

Nope. They're basketball coach retired.

(12-26-2015 07:49 PM)MidnightBlueGold Wrote:  

(12-26-2015 07:24 PM)RocketJeff Wrote:  

(12-26-2015 07:22 PM)PittRocket Wrote:  

(12-26-2015 06:08 PM)RocketJeff Wrote:  I think an NCAA "dead period" for coaching hires (delaying until after the season) would benefit the coaches. Pinkel took the Mizzou job and a few weeks later the Ohio State job came open. Had he not taken the job in Columbia, he might have ended up in Columbus. Campbell said the ISU job was a dream of his, but I bet he'd rather be coaching in Madison and the Wiskey job didn't come open until after he moved to Aimes.

Did Chryst get canned at Wisconsin?

I thought I heard he retired.

Nope. They're basketball coach retired.

That makes more sense. My point still is that there could be more attractive jobs that open in the next few weeks. Teams like ISU try to lock in a coach quickly before something better comes along.

(12-25-2015 03:09 AM)toddjnsn Wrote:  Well, I wouldn't be 100% sure he squandered it during the last game, though. Although yes, him dealing with it couldn't have helped.

(1) Some coaches deal with other colleges and it doesn't affect the team much. Especially when the next person-in-line to be HC is a coach on the team, and proves they are a quality HC and win a bowl against a tough (even ranked) opponent.

(2) Toledo was capable of being sub-par. Ely was capable of not having a good game. Heck, against UMass for a half it looked bad, too. They lost to NIU and collpased after 1st Q when NIU lost their starting QB to put a redshirt Frosh in, and also losing a great player Tommy Lee Lewis -- and came BACK to beat Toledo after Toledo's total 1st Q dominance. Was he on the phone at half time? Well, after that they Crushed BGSU! So it's not like it went downhill. They ended up losing to a WMU team that statistically speaking going into it, odds were they were NOT going to go 0-3 against BGSU, NIU, and Toledo. Like Toledo, WMU is capable of playing sub-par and also great. WMU won a tight close game.

So in the end, how much Better would it have been if Matt wasn't scheduling interviews/negotiations with I-owe-what State? Possibly not by much. If Toledo tanked played a sub-par game against BGSU in between those two losses, then I would say it most likely was a big thing. But otherwise, I have to say it wasn't necessarily a huge effect.

This response is WAY too logical and rational. Knock it off, we don't need any of this here.

(12-26-2015 06:08 PM)RocketJeff Wrote:  I think an NCAA "dead period" for coaching hires (delaying until after the season) would benefit the coaches. Pinkel took the Mizzou job and a few weeks later the Ohio State job came open. Had he not taken the job in Columbia, he might have ended up in Columbus. Campbell said the ISU job was a dream of his, but I bet he'd rather be coaching in Madison and the Wiskey job didn't come open until after he moved to Aimes.

The only way this could happen is if recruiting was also in a black out period. If not, imagine how a program could be picks apart after firing a coach and not being able to hire a new one.

Also, I think Matt Campbell would be a great BBall coach. It's all about The Process anyway, right? ;-)