(12-22-2015 06:00 PM)oldtiger Wrote:  

(12-22-2015 05:50 PM)mtmedlin Wrote:  

(12-22-2015 02:19 PM)adluther Wrote:  

(12-22-2015 02:07 PM)mtmedlin Wrote:  CUSA champ beat the #5 AAC team by having **** refs blow a ton of calls. If that game was called properly, WKU loses. Anybody who says otherwise wasnt watching that game. It was horrendous. No MAC refs should ever be allowed to officiate our games again.

I'm on your side here, but don't blame the refs. That's bush league... C-USA-esque. Bad calls or not, USF had plenty of chances to win that game. If USF could make field goals or stop the number of HUGE passing plays by WKU, the refs bad calls do not make a difference.

The majority of people who are commenting didnt even watch that game. There was no less than 10 badly missed calls and two of them put touchdowns on the board. WKU doesnt win with that.
USF did play bad, but WKU wasnt the better team at all. Everytime USF got momentum that asshat of a ref called something bogus. You simply cannot ignore how badly it was called. Its not bush league at all. I dont ever blame the officials for a loss... Ill call them out when they are wrong, but in this case it was SO blatant, it is unavoidable.
I am almost 40 years old and havent seen a game with so many missed calls. It was that bad.

and as far as us not stopping the "huge plays".... um, the refs didnt call holds, and then ruled that a receiver whos foot was obviously out of bounds, was in bounds. Everyone in the stadium knew it was a bad call. Hell even the WKU fans sitting next to me laughed. When the opposing teams fans actually apologize to you for getting hosed you know it was amazingly bad.

I understand how an on-field official might not have been able to see the timing of both the catch and when his foot drug out of bounds, but I don't understand what replay they could have possibly watched (multiple times) to not over rule that call.

Theres a pic floating around. When it went up on the jumbotron the WKU fans actually said it would be overturned.... and they also said the fumble through the endzone would be overturned.

At the end of the game three WKU fans were walking with us and said flat out we got hosed. We had a chance to come back at the end and they didnt call a blatant PI. The guy was laying on top of him when the ball hit the players chest.... It just got insane at the end cause we knew there was no way we could win with these refs. It was about the 10th bad call and we knew the fix was in. SUcked to lose that way but its not the first time ive seen bad officiating cost us.... hell almost everytime an AAC team plays the SEC theres some weird controversy that happens.

(12-22-2015 06:04 PM)mtmedlin Wrote:  

(12-22-2015 06:00 PM)oldtiger Wrote:  

(12-22-2015 05:50 PM)mtmedlin Wrote:  

(12-22-2015 02:19 PM)adluther Wrote:  

(12-22-2015 02:07 PM)mtmedlin Wrote:  CUSA champ beat the #5 AAC team by having **** refs blow a ton of calls. If that game was called properly, WKU loses. Anybody who says otherwise wasnt watching that game. It was horrendous. No MAC refs should ever be allowed to officiate our games again.

I'm on your side here, but don't blame the refs. That's bush league... C-USA-esque. Bad calls or not, USF had plenty of chances to win that game. If USF could make field goals or stop the number of HUGE passing plays by WKU, the refs bad calls do not make a difference.

The majority of people who are commenting didnt even watch that game. There was no less than 10 badly missed calls and two of them put touchdowns on the board. WKU doesnt win with that.
USF did play bad, but WKU wasnt the better team at all. Everytime USF got momentum that asshat of a ref called something bogus. You simply cannot ignore how badly it was called. Its not bush league at all. I dont ever blame the officials for a loss... Ill call them out when they are wrong, but in this case it was SO blatant, it is unavoidable.
I am almost 40 years old and havent seen a game with so many missed calls. It was that bad.

and as far as us not stopping the "huge plays".... um, the refs didnt call holds, and then ruled that a receiver whos foot was obviously out of bounds, was in bounds. Everyone in the stadium knew it was a bad call. Hell even the WKU fans sitting next to me laughed. When the opposing teams fans actually apologize to you for getting hosed you know it was amazingly bad.

I understand how an on-field official might not have been able to see the timing of both the catch and when his foot drug out of bounds, but I don't understand what replay they could have possibly watched (multiple times) to not over rule that call.

Theres a pic floating around. When it went up on the jumbotron the WKU fans actually said it would be overturned.... and they also said the fumble through the endzone would be overturned.

At the end of the game three WKU fans were walking with us and said flat out we got hosed. We had a chance to come back at the end and they didnt call a blatant PI. The guy was laying on top of him when the ball hit the players chest.... It just got insane at the end cause we knew there was no way we could win with these refs. It was about the 10th bad call and we knew the fix was in. SUcked to lose that way but its not the first time ive seen bad officiating cost us.... hell everytime anyone plays the SEC theres some weird controversy that happens.

Fixed it for ya

I still don't know how WKU's first touchdown wasn't overturned. There is no way that guy had control of the ball before he crossed the goal line. That was 100% a fumble.

Also, late in the game, there was a blatant pass interference not called that resulted in a 54 yard field goal attempt rather than a first down.

USF did get robbed. That said, no shame in losing to WKU. They are solid.

Looking good in these bowl games guys!

(12-23-2015 10:42 AM)Ewglenn Wrote:  Looking good in these bowl games guys!

Why are you here? AAC must be doing something right if we have clowns from the ACC board coming over here to talk trash lol

(12-23-2015 10:42 AM)Ewglenn Wrote:  Looking good in these bowl games guys!

I love seeing these ACC fans always looking over their shoulders.

4-7 in bowls last year, and a losing record to the AAC this year will do that to you I guess.

Objective look at the results of the "Top 4" teams in each conference in the last three years.

*Houston 8-5, 8-5, 12-1 = 28-11 (1 Conference Championship, 1 Bowl Win, 4 “P-5” Wins)
*Cincinnati 9-4, 9-4, 7-5 = 25-13 (1 Co-Championship, 3 “P-5” Wins)
*Memphis 3-9, 10-3, 9-3 = 22-15 (1 Co-Championship, 1 Bowl Win, 2 “P-5” Wins)
UCF 12-1, 9-4, 0-12 = 21-17 (1 Top 10 Finish, 1 Top 25 Finish, 1 Conference Championship, 1 Co-Championship, 1 Bowl Win, 4 “P-5” Wins)

3 Year Results = 3 Bowl Wins, 1 Top 10 Finish, 1 Top 25 Finish, 12 Wins against “P-5” Teams

Teams “Trending Up” Into the Top 4 in the American – Navy, Temple
(*2015 bowl game results still TBD)

Conclusion: American “Top 4” teams perform very well against perceived “P-5” Opponents, and have reached a higher pinnacle in the last three years than anyone in C-USA (UCF in 2013 of note, possibility with Houston this year). However, in general, American “Top 4” teams have performed very pedestrian in bowl games.


*Marshall 10-4, 13-1, 9-3 = 32-8 (1 Top 25 Finish, 1 Conference Championship, 2 Bowl Wins, 2 “P-5” Wins)
WKU (**8-4 in Sun-Belt), 8-5, 12-2 = 20-7 Since Joining C-USA (28-11 overall) (1 Conference Championship, 2 Bowl Wins, 1 “P-5” Win)
Rice 10-4, 8-5, 5-7 = 23-16 (1 Conference Championship, 1 Bowl Win, 1 “P-5” Win)
Louisiana Tech 4-8, 9-5, 9-4 = 22-17 (2 Bowl Wins, 1 “P-5” Win)

3 Year Results = 7 Bowl Wins, 1 Top 25 Finish, 5 Wins against “P-5” Teams

Teams “Trending Up” Into the Top 4 in Conference USA – Southern Miss, Middle Tennessee
(*2015 bowl game result still TBD)

Conclusion: Although have not have had the volume of opportunity to play against the perceived “ P-5”, C-USA “Top 4” teams have all faired very well in the bowl games. Our best teams (Marshall, WKU) did not get to showcase our best against the “P-5” in bowl season, but could, no doubt, hang with anyone in the American.


Bottom Line: I give the American the edge simply because they have more “statement” wins and have achieved a higher profile with its best teams, while CUSA has really dropped the ball in positioning our best when it comes to our bowl opportunities, thus we will never truly know how our best line up with the American. However, I tend to also believe CUSA is, in reality, not any less talented than any American squad. The American has, however, been able to more successfully leverage their best teams more effectively.

(12-23-2015 12:31 PM)rileylives Wrote:  Objective look at the results of the "Top 4" teams in each conference in the last three years.

*Houston 8-5, 8-5, 12-1 = 28-11 (1 Conference Championship, 1 Bowl Win, 4 “P-5” Wins)
*Cincinnati 9-4, 9-4, 7-5 = 25-13 (1 Co-Championship, 3 “P-5” Wins)
*Memphis 3-9, 10-3, 9-3 = 22-15 (1 Co-Championship, 1 Bowl Win, 2 “P-5” Wins)
UCF 12-1, 9-4, 0-12 = 21-17 (1 Top 10 Finish, 1 Top 25 Finish, 1 Conference Championship, 1 Co-Championship, 1 Bowl Win, 4 “P-5” Wins)

3 Year Results = 3 Bowl Wins, 1 Top 10 Finish, 1 Top 25 Finish, 12 Wins against “P-5” Teams

Teams “Trending Up” Into the Top 4 in the American – Navy, Temple
(*2015 bowl game results still TBD)

Conclusion: American “Top 4” teams perform very well against perceived “P-5” Opponents, and have reached a higher pinnacle in the last three years than anyone in C-USA (UCF in 2013 of note, possibility with Houston this year). However, in general, American “Top 4” teams have performed very pedestrian in bowl games.


*Marshall 10-4, 13-1, 9-3 = 32-8 (1 Top 25 Finish, 1 Conference Championship, 2 Bowl Wins, 2 “P-5” Wins)
WKU (**8-4 in Sun-Belt), 8-5, 12-2 = 20-7 Since Joining C-USA (28-11 overall) (1 Conference Championship, 2 Bowl Wins, 1 “P-5” Win)
Rice 10-4, 8-5, 5-7 = 23-16 (1 Conference Championship, 1 Bowl Win, 1 “P-5” Win)
Louisiana Tech 4-8, 9-5, 9-4 = 22-17 (2 Bowl Wins, 1 “P-5” Win)

3 Year Results = 7 Bowl Wins, 1 Top 25 Finish, 5 Wins against “P-5” Teams

Teams “Trending Up” Into the Top 4 in Conference USA – Southern Miss, Middle Tennessee
(*2015 bowl game result still TBD)

Conclusion: Although have not have had the volume of opportunity to play against the perceived “ P-5”, C-USA “Top 4” teams have all faired very well in the bowl games. Our best teams (Marshall, WKU) did not get to showcase our best against the “P-5” in bowl season, but could, no doubt, hang with anyone in the American.


Bottom Line: I give the American the edge simply because they have more “statement” wins and have achieved a higher profile with its best teams, while CUSA has really dropped the ball in positioning our best when it comes to our bowl opportunities, thus we will never truly know how our best line up with the American. However, I tend to also believe CUSA is, in reality, not any less talented than any American squad. The American has, however, been able to more successfully leverage their best teams more effectively.

Also know I don't come with smack, and I'm no troll. Just respectfully putting some perspective out there in this debate.

Navy could also be perceived as one of your "Top 4" but I'll leave that for you all AACers to work though, regardless here are Navy's last three years...(I also served in the Navy, so there's that)

*Navy 9-4, 8-5, 10-2 = 27-11 (2 Bowl Wins, 2 “P-5” Wins)

(*2015 Bowl Game Result TBD)

I think if you look at this objectively, AAC has had a pretty good three year run since your inception. But CUSA is not really as down as some perceive it to be either....

WKU was a good team... No doubt


However, USF should not have lost. No excuses.

Things have changed in college football the Sun Belt is not a bad league anymore

(12-22-2015 05:59 PM)ECBrad Wrote:  There is no We.

This right here ^^^

For those who are unaware; Bellow is best how to describe conferences.

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(12-22-2015 05:50 PM)mtmedlin Wrote:  

(12-22-2015 02:19 PM)adluther Wrote:  

(12-22-2015 02:07 PM)mtmedlin Wrote:  CUSA champ beat the #5 AAC team by having **** refs blow a ton of calls. If that game was called properly, WKU loses. Anybody who says otherwise wasnt watching that game. It was horrendous. No MAC refs should ever be allowed to officiate our games again.

I'm on your side here, but don't blame the refs. That's bush league... C-USA-esque. Bad calls or not, USF had plenty of chances to win that game. If USF could make field goals or stop the number of HUGE passing plays by WKU, the refs bad calls do not make a difference.

The majority of people who are commenting didnt even watch that game. There was no less than 10 badly missed calls and two of them put touchdowns on the board. WKU doesnt win with that.
USF did play bad, but WKU wasnt the better team at all. Everytime USF got momentum that asshat of a ref called something bogus. You simply cannot ignore how badly it was called. Its not bush league at all. I dont ever blame the officials for a loss... Ill call them out when they are wrong, but in this case it was SO blatant, it is unavoidable.
I am almost 40 years old and havent seen a game with so many missed calls. It was that bad.

and as far as us not stopping the "huge plays".... um, the refs didnt call holds, and then ruled that a receiver whos foot was obviously out of bounds, was in bounds. Everyone in the stadium knew it was a bad call. Hell even the WKU fans sitting next to me laughed. When the opposing teams fans actually apologize to you for getting hosed you know it was amazingly bad.

Were there any bad calls/ no calls that negatively affected wku? Or did the bad calls/no calls only negatively affect usf? Usually when the refs are bad it affects both teams. I don't know, I am asking because I could only watch bits and pieces of the game while at work.

The Difference is that the Top 4 in CUSA would accept an invite to the AAC but the Top 4 in the AAC would not accept an invite to CUSA.

(12-23-2015 02:34 PM)zfred12 Wrote:  

(12-22-2015 05:50 PM)mtmedlin Wrote:  

(12-22-2015 02:19 PM)adluther Wrote:  

(12-22-2015 02:07 PM)mtmedlin Wrote:  CUSA champ beat the #5 AAC team by having **** refs blow a ton of calls. If that game was called properly, WKU loses. Anybody who says otherwise wasnt watching that game. It was horrendous. No MAC refs should ever be allowed to officiate our games again.

I'm on your side here, but don't blame the refs. That's bush league... C-USA-esque. Bad calls or not, USF had plenty of chances to win that game. If USF could make field goals or stop the number of HUGE passing plays by WKU, the refs bad calls do not make a difference.

The majority of people who are commenting didnt even watch that game. There was no less than 10 badly missed calls and two of them put touchdowns on the board. WKU doesnt win with that.
USF did play bad, but WKU wasnt the better team at all. Everytime USF got momentum that asshat of a ref called something bogus. You simply cannot ignore how badly it was called. Its not bush league at all. I dont ever blame the officials for a loss... Ill call them out when they are wrong, but in this case it was SO blatant, it is unavoidable.
I am almost 40 years old and havent seen a game with so many missed calls. It was that bad.

and as far as us not stopping the "huge plays".... um, the refs didnt call holds, and then ruled that a receiver whos foot was obviously out of bounds, was in bounds. Everyone in the stadium knew it was a bad call. Hell even the WKU fans sitting next to me laughed. When the opposing teams fans actually apologize to you for getting hosed you know it was amazingly bad.

Were there any bad calls/ no calls that negatively affected wku? Or did the bad calls/no calls only negatively affect usf? Usually when the refs are bad it affects both teams. I don't know, I am asking because I could only watch bits and pieces of the game while at work.

The refs were equally bad for both teams.

(12-23-2015 01:52 PM)rileylives Wrote:  Navy could also be perceived as one of your "Top 4" but I'll leave that for you all AACers to work though, regardless here are Navy's last three years...(I also served in the Navy, so there's that)

*Navy 9-4, 8-5, 10-2 = 27-11 (2 Bowl Wins, 2 “P-5” Wins)

(*2015 Bowl Game Result TBD)

I think if you look at this objectively, AAC has had a pretty good three year run since your inception. But CUSA is not really as down as some perceive it to be either....

Don't mean to rain in your little parade but comparing cusa to the AAC is pure comedy gold. Look just b/c one of our members loses a game or two to a G4 doesn't change anything other than only a defeat.

What I recommend any G4 members do is continue winning so that you all could get the AAC's attention for any future movements.

(12-23-2015 02:00 PM)Bear Wrote:  WKU was a good team... No doubt


However, USF should not have lost. No excuses.

Pretty much sums up my feelings about Temple. Toledo is a very good team but if we played to the level I know we were capable of we should have won the game. No excuses though, we lost fair and square.