(12-30-2015 04:54 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  They aren't targets for criticism because they are HBCUs or because of their history or anything like that. They are targets for their performance based on taxpayer funding.

Single digit graduation rates and average ACT scores in the teens at taxpayer expense are something of a problem. You add to that the fact that some have been hit with outright corruption scandals, Alabama State for example, and you have a serious problem.

There is some truth in the idea that these schools give some children a chance that would not otherwise find it. In Alabama the kids were never in the running to get into UA or Auburn, they couldn't even get into UAB or UNA, Jack State, South Alabama, etc. That is a problem and a fair issue to bring up. But, you also have to ask yourself, what good is it to send those kids to college when only a handful will ever get a degree?

It isn't mean spirited to ask that these schools offer anything even resembling a return on investment.

Many big schools like the P5 schools have some standards for you to get into those colleges and universities. Most kids, especially disabled kids, are winding up in schools that would accept them like Boise State, UCF and so forth that would work with the kids to get a degree. This is why Arkansas Tech is the third biggest Arkansas University with enrollment behind Arkansas and Arkansas State. I had educators there that was willing to work with me, and others with disabilities. I had an old high school class mate who graduated a year before I did at the high school was a running back at the high school. Miami, Florida gave him a scholarship, but it was known to the school that he has a learning disability. He wanted to learn and get a diploma, but wanted to work for it without having a professor giving him an easy A. He wound up dropping out because coach Johnson at the time did not care, and thought it was just an excuse on my class mate's part to get out of practice. The school did not care about his disability either. They were only interested in winning at no cost. This is the mentality of these major schools like Alabama and so forth. HBCUs are not the only schools that have scandals. Schools in the P5 conferences are also involved in the same type of issues. Miami Florida have been at this for over 30 years, and they do need a death penalty because they are always involved in scandal after scandal.

I think some posters on this board should be merged to reduce the drivel. Seriously...what is this thread about????

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(12-30-2015 05:16 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(12-30-2015 04:54 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  They aren't targets for criticism because they are HBCUs or because of their history or anything like that. They are targets for their performance based on taxpayer funding.

Single digit graduation rates and average ACT scores in the teens at taxpayer expense are something of a problem. You add to that the fact that some have been hit with outright corruption scandals, Alabama State for example, and you have a serious problem.

There is some truth in the idea that these schools give some children a chance that would not otherwise find it. In Alabama the kids were never in the running to get into UA or Auburn, they couldn't even get into UAB or UNA, Jack State, South Alabama, etc. That is a problem and a fair issue to bring up. But, you also have to ask yourself, what good is it to send those kids to college when only a handful will ever get a degree?

It isn't mean spirited to ask that these schools offer anything even resembling a return on investment.

Many big schools like the P5 schools have some standards for you to get into those colleges and universities. Most kids, especially disabled kids, are winding up in schools that would accept them like Boise State, UCF and so forth that would work with the kids to get a degree. This is why Arkansas Tech is the third biggest Arkansas University with enrollment behind Arkansas and Arkansas State. I had educators there that was willing to work with me, and others with disabilities. I had an old high school class mate who graduated a year before I did at the high school was a running back at the high school. Miami, Florida gave him a scholarship, but it was known to the school that he has a learning disability. He wanted to learn and get a diploma, but wanted to work for it without having a professor giving him an easy A. He wound up dropping out because coach Johnson at the time did not care, and thought it was just an excuse on my class mate's part to get out of practice. The school did not care about his disability either. They were only interested in winning at no cost. This is the mentality of these major schools like Alabama and so forth. HBCUs are not the only schools that have scandals. Schools in the P5 conferences are also involved in the same type of issues. Miami Florida have been at this for over 30 years, and they do need a death penalty because they are always involved in scandal after scandal.

HBCUs are not receptacles for those with disabilities though.

While I'm glad that you found a school you really enjoyed and that worked well both for and with you I don't think consolidating failing HBCUs would impact that or others in similar situations.

Also, there is a difference between athletic scandals and outright corruption charges. Texas Southern had a president spending thousands of dollars on her house and putting in a pool. Alabama State has also had an embezzlement scandal. That isn't the same thing as illegal recruiting on a football team.

It is just hard to justify schools like Southern and Grambling together, each one pays their President several hundred thousand dollars, and maintains a complete administration of their own, while they graduate a little over 10% of their kids combined. That's just waste. It's waste that makes certain people very wealthy. But, it is also waste which hurts others. Poor kids coming from poor families certainly don't need three semesters of tuition on their tab. The majority are being victimized, not given an opportunity.

The situation is not much different here in Alabama, although with slightly higher graduation rates. One administration and one set of expenses is enough for what the state gets out of our two public HBCUs.

I should also add that I don't like the idea of shutting down these schools and simply telling the alums to go get stuffed. I feel that hardcore reform is in order. As they exist today they are not doing anybody any good.

You could easily keep the schools, consolidate administration, and place them under a single umbrella.

(12-30-2015 05:09 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  

(12-30-2015 04:57 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  

(12-30-2015 02:31 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  

(12-30-2015 02:27 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  

(12-30-2015 02:22 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  What's wrong with just privatizing them? For example, Tuskegee.

I'm pretty sure Tuskegee is private. That would still cause a shitstorm.

I was giving Tuskegee as an example of a successful, private HBCU.

Why isn't/wasn't there a s__storm that Tuskegee doesn't receive $$$ from the state of AL?

It used to.

There is no real shitstorm because it is a private school. It's also established a reputation for itself to some extent.

So doesn't that prove my point??

It used to be public. Now it's private. There must have been a proposal, once upon a time, for the change. Yet ... no s___storm.

Therefore, I conjecture that the same would be true if AL St and AL A&M were privatized.

It was never public; it simply received some state support.

I don't think it proves anything because the situations are too dissimilar.

Alabama State and Alabama A&M have strong but isolated support. Many of the black politicians in this state went to those schools and draw great support from them, especially at the state level.

While wasteful by any measure they are simply too engrained in a particular thread of society here.

(12-30-2015 05:57 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  

(12-30-2015 05:16 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(12-30-2015 04:54 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  They aren't targets for criticism because they are HBCUs or because of their history or anything like that. They are targets for their performance based on taxpayer funding.

Single digit graduation rates and average ACT scores in the teens at taxpayer expense are something of a problem. You add to that the fact that some have been hit with outright corruption scandals, Alabama State for example, and you have a serious problem.

There is some truth in the idea that these schools give some children a chance that would not otherwise find it. In Alabama the kids were never in the running to get into UA or Auburn, they couldn't even get into UAB or UNA, Jack State, South Alabama, etc. That is a problem and a fair issue to bring up. But, you also have to ask yourself, what good is it to send those kids to college when only a handful will ever get a degree?

It isn't mean spirited to ask that these schools offer anything even resembling a return on investment.

Many big schools like the P5 schools have some standards for you to get into those colleges and universities. Most kids, especially disabled kids, are winding up in schools that would accept them like Boise State, UCF and so forth that would work with the kids to get a degree. This is why Arkansas Tech is the third biggest Arkansas University with enrollment behind Arkansas and Arkansas State. I had educators there that was willing to work with me, and others with disabilities. I had an old high school class mate who graduated a year before I did at the high school was a running back at the high school. Miami, Florida gave him a scholarship, but it was known to the school that he has a learning disability. He wanted to learn and get a diploma, but wanted to work for it without having a professor giving him an easy A. He wound up dropping out because coach Johnson at the time did not care, and thought it was just an excuse on my class mate's part to get out of practice. The school did not care about his disability either. They were only interested in winning at no cost. This is the mentality of these major schools like Alabama and so forth. HBCUs are not the only schools that have scandals. Schools in the P5 conferences are also involved in the same type of issues. Miami Florida have been at this for over 30 years, and they do need a death penalty because they are always involved in scandal after scandal.

HBCUs are not receptacles for those with disabilities though.

While I'm glad that you found a school you really enjoyed and that worked well both for and with you I don't think consolidating failing HBCUs would impact that or others in similar situations.

Also, there is a difference between athletic scandals and outright corruption charges. Texas Southern had a president spending thousands of dollars on her house and putting in a pool. Alabama State has also had an embezzlement scandal. That isn't the same thing as illegal recruiting on a football team.

It is just hard to justify schools like Southern and Grambling together, each one pays their President several hundred thousand dollars, and maintains a complete administration of their own, while they graduate a little over 10% of their kids combined. That's just waste. It's waste that makes certain people very wealthy. But, it is also waste which hurts others. Poor kids coming from poor families certainly don't need three semesters of tuition on their tab. The majority are being victimized, not given an opportunity.

The situation is not much different here in Alabama, although with slightly higher graduation rates. One administration and one set of expenses is enough for what the state gets out of our two public HBCUs.

I should also add that I don't like the idea of shutting down these schools and simply telling the alums to go get stuffed. I feel that hardcore reform is in order. As they exist today they are not doing anybody any good.

You could easily keep the schools, consolidate administration, and place them under a single umbrella.

I think the AD and the school President of Miami Florida got gifts from a known Ponzi schemer is known as fraud. Some of the money this Ponzi Scammer he gave to the school was illegal as hell. It is more of a fraud like North Carolina to give the players easy As for classes that are fake. It goes on with every school including Oklahoma.

I do think schools do have issues like the HBCUs. Central Arkansas got busted because the schools President used money that did not belong to him on himself. There is known cases from other schools that are not HBCUs as well. It is not exclusive to just one group. It is many schools that are large or small, public or private, HBCUs or not. It is greed on some leaders what they want.

(12-30-2015 07:33 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(12-30-2015 05:57 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  

(12-30-2015 05:16 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(12-30-2015 04:54 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  They aren't targets for criticism because they are HBCUs or because of their history or anything like that. They are targets for their performance based on taxpayer funding.

Single digit graduation rates and average ACT scores in the teens at taxpayer expense are something of a problem. You add to that the fact that some have been hit with outright corruption scandals, Alabama State for example, and you have a serious problem.

There is some truth in the idea that these schools give some children a chance that would not otherwise find it. In Alabama the kids were never in the running to get into UA or Auburn, they couldn't even get into UAB or UNA, Jack State, South Alabama, etc. That is a problem and a fair issue to bring up. But, you also have to ask yourself, what good is it to send those kids to college when only a handful will ever get a degree?

It isn't mean spirited to ask that these schools offer anything even resembling a return on investment.

Many big schools like the P5 schools have some standards for you to get into those colleges and universities. Most kids, especially disabled kids, are winding up in schools that would accept them like Boise State, UCF and so forth that would work with the kids to get a degree. This is why Arkansas Tech is the third biggest Arkansas University with enrollment behind Arkansas and Arkansas State. I had educators there that was willing to work with me, and others with disabilities. I had an old high school class mate who graduated a year before I did at the high school was a running back at the high school. Miami, Florida gave him a scholarship, but it was known to the school that he has a learning disability. He wanted to learn and get a diploma, but wanted to work for it without having a professor giving him an easy A. He wound up dropping out because coach Johnson at the time did not care, and thought it was just an excuse on my class mate's part to get out of practice. The school did not care about his disability either. They were only interested in winning at no cost. This is the mentality of these major schools like Alabama and so forth. HBCUs are not the only schools that have scandals. Schools in the P5 conferences are also involved in the same type of issues. Miami Florida have been at this for over 30 years, and they do need a death penalty because they are always involved in scandal after scandal.

HBCUs are not receptacles for those with disabilities though.

While I'm glad that you found a school you really enjoyed and that worked well both for and with you I don't think consolidating failing HBCUs would impact that or others in similar situations.

Also, there is a difference between athletic scandals and outright corruption charges. Texas Southern had a president spending thousands of dollars on her house and putting in a pool. Alabama State has also had an embezzlement scandal. That isn't the same thing as illegal recruiting on a football team.

It is just hard to justify schools like Southern and Grambling together, each one pays their President several hundred thousand dollars, and maintains a complete administration of their own, while they graduate a little over 10% of their kids combined. That's just waste. It's waste that makes certain people very wealthy. But, it is also waste which hurts others. Poor kids coming from poor families certainly don't need three semesters of tuition on their tab. The majority are being victimized, not given an opportunity.

The situation is not much different here in Alabama, although with slightly higher graduation rates. One administration and one set of expenses is enough for what the state gets out of our two public HBCUs.

I should also add that I don't like the idea of shutting down these schools and simply telling the alums to go get stuffed. I feel that hardcore reform is in order. As they exist today they are not doing anybody any good.

You could easily keep the schools, consolidate administration, and place them under a single umbrella.

I think the AD and the school President of Miami Florida got gifts from a known Ponzi schemer is known as fraud. Some of the money this Ponzi Scammer he gave to the school was illegal as hell. It is more of a fraud like North Carolina to give the players easy As for classes that are fake. It goes on with every school including Oklahoma.

I do think schools do have issues like the HBCUs. Central Arkansas got busted because the schools President used money that did not belong to him on himself. There is known cases from other schools that are not HBCUs as well. It is not exclusive to just one group. It is many schools that are large or small, public or private, HBCUs or not. It is greed on some leaders what they want.

Again, athletic issues and embezzlement are really very different.

Sure, it happens, but when you add that to the fact that some of these HBCUs have single digit graduation rates you start to get a whole picture.

Fraud alone isn't why some of these should be consolidated or put out to pasture. It's the fact that fraud is occurring AND the school isn't doing any good for its students.

It is not doing any good for any students to offer fake classes and all that. So, all colleges and Universities that do these things are not helping the students at all. I think you missed what I am trying to say. What goes down at the HBCUs also takes place with all the schools as well. I put Central Arkansas as an example because what happened there is like what went down with some HBCUs where the presidents spend money on their houses and all that.

(12-30-2015 07:40 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  It is not doing any good for any students to offer fake classes and all that. So, all colleges and Universities that do these things are not helping the students at all. I think you missed what I am trying to say. What goes down at the HBCUs also takes place with all the schools as well. I put Central Arkansas as an example because what happened there is like what went down with some HBCUs where the presidents spend money on their houses and all that.

The UNC issue is an athletic one, or at very least centers around treatment of athletes.

I'll take your word on the Central Arkansas issue. But, I would wager that more than 10% of Central Arkansas' kids graduate.

In fact, you'd have to add Southern's and Grambling's graduation rates together to match Central Arkansas.

It's the fact you have corruption on top of failure that makes many HBCUs wastes to taxpayers, not the fraud alone.

There is need for serious reform. Race politics should not act as cover for abuse and waste.

(12-30-2015 06:01 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  

(12-30-2015 05:09 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  

(12-30-2015 04:57 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  

(12-30-2015 02:31 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  

(12-30-2015 02:27 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  I'm pretty sure Tuskegee is private. That would still cause a shitstorm.

I was giving Tuskegee as an example of a successful, private HBCU.

Why isn't/wasn't there a s__storm that Tuskegee doesn't receive $$$ from the state of AL?

It used to.

There is no real shitstorm because it is a private school. It's also established a reputation for itself to some extent.

So doesn't that prove my point??

It used to be public. Now it's private. There must have been a proposal, once upon a time, for the change. Yet ... no s___storm.

Therefore, I conjecture that the same would be true if AL St and AL A&M were privatized.

It was never public; it simply received some state support.

I don't think it proves anything because the situations are too dissimilar.

Alabama State and Alabama A&M have strong but isolated support. Many of the black politicians in this state went to those schools and draw great support from them, especially at the state level.

While wasteful by any measure they are simply too engrained in a particular thread of society here.

OK. This is what I was trying to confirm.

I would still argue that Tuskegee can serve as a model of a working, successful HBCU that is private. ASU and AA&M supporters may not see it that way.

(12-30-2015 06:01 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  

(12-30-2015 05:09 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  

(12-30-2015 04:57 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  

(12-30-2015 02:31 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  

(12-30-2015 02:27 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  I'm pretty sure Tuskegee is private. That would still cause a shitstorm.

I was giving Tuskegee as an example of a successful, private HBCU.

Why isn't/wasn't there a s__storm that Tuskegee doesn't receive $$$ from the state of AL?

It used to.

There is no real shitstorm because it is a private school. It's also established a reputation for itself to some extent.

So doesn't that prove my point??

It used to be public. Now it's private. There must have been a proposal, once upon a time, for the change. Yet ... no s___storm.

Therefore, I conjecture that the same would be true if AL St and AL A&M were privatized.

It was never public; it simply received some state support.

I don't think it proves anything because the situations are too dissimilar.

Alabama State and Alabama A&M have strong but isolated support. Many of the black politicians in this state went to those schools and draw great support from them, especially at the state level.

While wasteful by any measure they are simply too engrained in a particular thread of society here.

Funny I thought you were describing the University of Alabama

(12-30-2015 03:27 PM)Schadenfreude Wrote:  

(12-30-2015 03:06 PM)_C2_ Wrote:  All he's saying is that if state fund were taken away from HBCU or if they were encouraged to close, there'd be major claims of racism.

Why all this talk about shutting down HBCUs? Why not, if underfunding or inefficiency really is a problem, merge Florida State with Florida A&M (for example) and stick with the latter school's colors and branding? Why should only alumni of HBCU have their traditions eliminated all because -- well, I'm not even sure why we are discussing it here, to be honest.

Some of these HCBUs have stronger traditions than historically white counterparts. One example: In Ohio, a mostly white state government created a whole new state university -- Wright State University -- in the late 1960s rather than expand or increase funding to Central State University, which is only 21 miles from downtown Dayton and much, much older. Now Central State regularly faces perpetual budget problems, in part because enrollment has been low, in part because the state established a historically white state-financed competitor a short drive down the road.

Typically, when communities merge high schools, they merge traditions. It also happens in other realms: For example, when the National League founded the Mets to replace the Dodgers and the Giants, they intentionally picked Dodger blue and Giants orange as the new colors.

Here the talk seems to be of just of shutting HBCUs down. It seems mean spirited. Why should only HBCU alumni have their alma maters and traditions eliminated?

Cuz...rawwl todd

(12-30-2015 10:47 PM)panama Wrote:  

(12-30-2015 06:01 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  

(12-30-2015 05:09 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  

(12-30-2015 04:57 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  

(12-30-2015 02:31 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  I was giving Tuskegee as an example of a successful, private HBCU.

Why isn't/wasn't there a s__storm that Tuskegee doesn't receive $$$ from the state of AL?

It used to.

There is no real shitstorm because it is a private school. It's also established a reputation for itself to some extent.

So doesn't that prove my point??

It used to be public. Now it's private. There must have been a proposal, once upon a time, for the change. Yet ... no s___storm.

Therefore, I conjecture that the same would be true if AL St and AL A&M were privatized.

It was never public; it simply received some state support.

I don't think it proves anything because the situations are too dissimilar.

Alabama State and Alabama A&M have strong but isolated support. Many of the black politicians in this state went to those schools and draw great support from them, especially at the state level.

While wasteful by any measure they are simply too engrained in a particular thread of society here.

Funny I thought you were describing the University of Alabama

What are you grasping at this time?

(12-24-2015 09:18 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  They are just outdated and redundant.

They simply don't serve a legitimate purpose anymore. Some have grown a little beyond their original purpose but many are just gives of nepotism, corruption, and failure.

Considering that some of these schools have single digit graduation rates it's hard to argue that they are doing anything positive with all that taxpayer money.

Anybody that graduated from a school will fight you tooth and nail if you try to close that school. I just don't see how you would close a school and tell it's alumni to just start cheering for Bama.

(12-30-2015 03:27 PM)Schadenfreude Wrote:  

(12-30-2015 03:06 PM)_C2_ Wrote:  All he's saying is that if state fund were taken away from HBCU or if they were encouraged to close, there'd be major claims of racism.

Why all this talk about shutting down HBCUs? Why not, if underfunding or inefficiency really is a problem, merge Florida State with Florida A&M (for example) and stick with the latter school's colors and branding? Why should only alumni of HBCU have their traditions eliminated all because -- well, I'm not even sure why we are discussing it here, to be honest.

Some of these HCBUs have stronger traditions than historically white counterparts. One example: In Ohio, a mostly white state government created a whole new state university -- Wright State University -- in the late 1960s rather than expand or increase funding to Central State University, which is only 21 miles from downtown Dayton and much, much older. Now Central State regularly faces perpetual budget problems, in part because enrollment has been low, in part because the state established a historically white state-financed competitor a short drive down the road.

Typically, when communities merge high schools, they merge traditions. It also happens in other realms: For example, when the National League founded the Mets to replace the Dodgers and the Giants, they intentionally picked Dodger blue and Giants orange as the new colors.

Here the talk seems to be of just of shutting HBCUs down. It seems mean spirited. Why should only HBCU alumni have their alma maters and traditions eliminated?

Read back earlier and I suggested merging many HBCU's and I actually went to an HBCU, so it's not mean at all, from me anyways.

No, numerous HBCU's aren't an issue, Hampton and Howard seem to be thriving for example but some should close/merge although I can see your point on CSU. On the other hand, given today's racial interaction, some of these schools should have never been created in the first place and now are redundant in cash strapped states.

Louisiana is one of the poorest states in the country and it has how many major universities? Though, I will say that's their problem and the HBCU's aren't the only ones that should be addressed. Looking at that state alone, it's amazing that they have so many large schools in rural and semi-rural areas. I can count about 7-8 off the top of my head (McNeese, Grambling, La. Tech, Monroe, Lafayette, Northwestern, Nicholls, etc...) let alone the ones in true urban areas such as LSU, Southern and SUNO that all have state funding.

(12-30-2015 10:53 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  

(12-30-2015 10:47 PM)panama Wrote:  

(12-30-2015 06:01 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  

(12-30-2015 05:09 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  

(12-30-2015 04:57 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  It used to.

There is no real shitstorm because it is a private school. It's also established a reputation for itself to some extent.

So doesn't that prove my point??

It used to be public. Now it's private. There must have been a proposal, once upon a time, for the change. Yet ... no s___storm.

Therefore, I conjecture that the same would be true if AL St and AL A&M were privatized.

It was never public; it simply received some state support.

I don't think it proves anything because the situations are too dissimilar.

Alabama State and Alabama A&M have strong but isolated support. Many of the black politicians in this state went to those schools and draw great support from them, especially at the state level.

While wasteful by any measure they are simply too engrained in a particular thread of society here.

Funny I thought you were describing the University of Alabama

What are you grasping at this time?

Just funny how entitled rawl todd types are to the point of standing around in judges robes and decreeing what schools should be eliminated. The same attitude that spent tax payer money to kill football at what is by far the state's best and most valuable University. All in the name of football supremacy for the lack of any other euphemism.

*Herman Cain Smile*

But please do continue regaling us about who's history and traditions matter and more interestingly who's do not.

Rawl Todd

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(12-31-2015 04:17 AM)firmbizzle Wrote:  

(12-24-2015 09:18 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  They are just outdated and redundant.

They simply don't serve a legitimate purpose anymore. Some have grown a little beyond their original purpose but many are just gives of nepotism, corruption, and failure.

Considering that some of these schools have single digit graduation rates it's hard to argue that they are doing anything positive with all that taxpayer money.

Anybody that graduated from a school will fight you tooth and nail if you try to close that school. I just don't see how you would close a school and tell it's alumni to just start cheering for Bama.

The same way they could spend millions to cancel UAB football and tell them...well you get the pattern.

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I doubt lawmakers in Austin, Baton Rouge, Jackson, Montgomery, Atlanta, Tallahassee and elsewhere are gonna log onto this site and think they should make a change because C2 and a couple of other posters think its a good idea.

I'm just making an educated opinion that could be criticized and even ridiculed, and both have happened in this thread.

(12-31-2015 08:14 AM)panama Wrote:  

(12-30-2015 10:53 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  

(12-30-2015 10:47 PM)panama Wrote:  

(12-30-2015 06:01 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  

(12-30-2015 05:09 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  So doesn't that prove my point??

It used to be public. Now it's private. There must have been a proposal, once upon a time, for the change. Yet ... no s___storm.

Therefore, I conjecture that the same would be true if AL St and AL A&M were privatized.

It was never public; it simply received some state support.

I don't think it proves anything because the situations are too dissimilar.

Alabama State and Alabama A&M have strong but isolated support. Many of the black politicians in this state went to those schools and draw great support from them, especially at the state level.

While wasteful by any measure they are simply too engrained in a particular thread of society here.

Funny I thought you were describing the University of Alabama

What are you grasping at this time?

Just funny how entitled rawl todd types are to the point of standing around in judges robes and decreeing what schools should be eliminated. The same attitude that spent tax payer money to kill football at what is by far the state's best and most valuable University. All in the name of football supremacy for the lack of any other euphemism.

*Herman Cain Smile*

But please do continue regaling us about who's history and traditions matter and more interestingly who's do not.

Rawl Todd

Sent from my BlackBerry Z30 using Tapatalk.

I'm saying it as a taxpayer not as the alum of any school.

Oh, and thanks for that! I needed a good laugh at your expense. Bless your poor little hopelessly ignorant heart!

BTW, I wasn't "regaling" over anything, especially any school's traditions. I guess that must be what the 22 on the ACT you and all your Georgia State buddies got rearing its ugly head?