(12-23-2015 04:22 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(12-23-2015 04:13 PM)blunderbuss Wrote:  

(12-21-2015 08:09 PM)samandrea Wrote:  Why are there HBCUS ?

Exactly.

Why are there HBCU's? Because sadly, there are HWCU's (Historically White Colleges and Universities).

Were, perhaps.

Schools have been integrated for some time now.

(12-23-2015 04:23 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  

(12-23-2015 04:22 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(12-23-2015 04:13 PM)blunderbuss Wrote:  

(12-21-2015 08:09 PM)samandrea Wrote:  Why are there HBCUS ?

Exactly.

Why are there HBCU's? Because sadly, there are HWCU's (Historically White Colleges and Universities).

Were, perhaps.

Schools have been integrated for some time now.

So should they close now?

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(12-21-2015 02:05 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  Yes, 35K is obviously an exaggeration.

But the game was a barn-burner.

I assume they use the same accounting methods as the Miami Hurricanes.

(12-23-2015 04:23 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  

(12-23-2015 04:22 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(12-23-2015 04:13 PM)blunderbuss Wrote:  

(12-21-2015 08:09 PM)samandrea Wrote:  Why are there HBCUS ?

Exactly.

Why are there HBCU's? Because sadly, there are HWCU's (Historically White Colleges and Universities).

Were, perhaps.

Schools have been integrated for some time now.

First, no "perhaps" about it.

Second, HBCU's are just as legally integrated as HWCU's, so it is dumb to question the existing of the former and not the latter.

(12-23-2015 03:00 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  I didn't watch much of this game, but what I did see was not high quality football.

I doubt either of these teams would have much success in the DII playoff bracket. But that said, why are most of the athletic departments in the SWAC and MEAC allowed to be in DI, in the first place??

They must have some of the lowest budgets in DI.

I think the HBCUs did have some longer history at D1. It is just mismanagement of funds at the schools, and some schools have not caught up to the times, or know how to attract students.

(12-19-2015 09:29 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  Celebration bowl and black college national champs!

There is a black college national championship? Do they belong to a specific division?

(12-23-2015 04:40 PM)GrayBeard Wrote:  

(12-19-2015 09:29 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  Celebration bowl and black college national champs!

There is a black college national championship? Do they belong to a specific division?

Nope. The over all champs could include D2, D3 and NAIA schools who are HBCUs. Sadly, Virginia-Lynchburg could have been included, but NCAA and NAIA banned them as being a countable game because they lost their accreditation to be recognized as a school.

Tuskegee would be considered in the running. Too bad Tuskegee could not face NC A&T to show who is the best HNCUs.

(12-23-2015 04:10 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  

(12-23-2015 03:12 PM)Schadenfreude Wrote:  

(12-23-2015 03:00 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  why are most of the athletic departments in the SWAC and MEAC allowed to be in DI, in the first place??

Dude.

Yes? Did you have something to contribute?

Or do you think that SWAC athletic departments with DII budgets should get to be in DI because ... you know ...

The SWAC and MEAC have a long tradition of playing at Division I that goes back to the I-A/AA split, at least (and maybe decades before that, for all I know). The conference just had a grand old time putting on a bowl game in the Georgia Dome. No idea how many people actually showed up, but the announced attendance, 35,000+, was close to double the attendance reported for the Famous Idaho Potato Bowl and substantially more than the reported attendance for the Boca Raton Bowl, which featured one nationally-ranked team.

The football played in the Georgia Dome the other night might not have been stellar, but the tradition of these conferences is very real, and a whole lot of people care about it. Some of the schools in these leagues rank among the attendance leaders in FCS.

So, yes, I am puzzled by a post that would question about why these two particular conferences are "allowed" to be in Division I. It seems mean-spirited, to be honest.

The answer isn't a mystery. The NCAA has objective criteria for Division I. Schools must field a minimum number of teams (14), offer a sufficient number of grants in aid, and meet a few other requirements. (None appear to involve athletic budget sizes.)

http://www.ncaa.org/about/who-we-are/mem...sification

In other words, we know these conferences play Division I football. They do it because they want to, and they meet objective requirements for doing so.

I'm glad they do. College football wouldn't be the same without the MEAC and the SWAC.

(12-23-2015 04:23 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  

(12-23-2015 04:22 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(12-23-2015 04:13 PM)blunderbuss Wrote:  

(12-21-2015 08:09 PM)samandrea Wrote:  Why are there HBCUS ?

Exactly.

Why are there HBCU's? Because sadly, there are HWCU's (Historically White Colleges and Universities).

Were, perhaps.

Schools have been integrated for some time now.

You are aware that HSCB's are integrated as well.

(12-23-2015 04:26 PM)samandrea Wrote:  

(12-23-2015 04:23 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  

(12-23-2015 04:22 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(12-23-2015 04:13 PM)blunderbuss Wrote:  

(12-21-2015 08:09 PM)samandrea Wrote:  Why are there HBCUS ?

Exactly.

Why are there HBCU's? Because sadly, there are HWCU's (Historically White Colleges and Universities).

Were, perhaps.

Schools have been integrated for some time now.

So should they close now?

Depends on the situation, I guess. I'm not advocating for any university or college to close.

Rather, to drop down to DII athletics when an institution's athletics department is operation with a DII level budget.

(12-23-2015 04:37 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(12-23-2015 04:23 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  

(12-23-2015 04:22 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(12-23-2015 04:13 PM)blunderbuss Wrote:  

(12-21-2015 08:09 PM)samandrea Wrote:  Why are there HBCUS ?

Exactly.

Why are there HBCU's? Because sadly, there are HWCU's (Historically White Colleges and Universities).

Were, perhaps.

Schools have been integrated for some time now.

First, no "perhaps" about it.

Second, HBCU's are just as legally integrated as HWCU's, so it is dumb to question the existing of the former and not the latter.

So you admit that the use of "are" in the phrase "there are HWCU's" was incorrect.

I'm not questioning if HBCU's exist. They clearly exist. I'm questioning why any school, regardless what "historical color" they market themselves as, is allowed to be DI when they operate with a DII athletic dept budget.

(12-23-2015 04:56 PM)adcorbett Wrote:  

(12-23-2015 04:23 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  

(12-23-2015 04:22 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(12-23-2015 04:13 PM)blunderbuss Wrote:  

(12-21-2015 08:09 PM)samandrea Wrote:  Why are there HBCUS ?

Exactly.

Why are there HBCU's? Because sadly, there are HWCU's (Historically White Colleges and Universities).

Were, perhaps.

Schools have been integrated for some time now.

You are aware that HSCB's are integrated as well.

Ah, right ... therefore, there must not be such a thing as a "black national champion" anymore.

They must call it the "integrated ... but really still black, national champion" nowadays.

My grandmother and her four sisters all graduated from HSBC's because they were not allowed to go to college anywhere else, and were not allowed admission to any other colleges due to their skin color. Her parents went to HSCB's because at that time they also were not allowed to go anywhere else due to their skin color. And their parents went to HSBC's because they were not allowed admission into any other colleges due to segregation. Many of these colleges today do not serve the same mission they once served, but they very much serve a mission, in keeping alive traditions and cultures that otherwise might be lost. Try stepping foot on an HSBC campus sometime: you'd be surprised to see that many are much, much more integrated than your "traditional" campuses, and serve as much to educate non-black students on history as they do to preserve the traditions of yesteryear.

Honestly you talk about a lot of things you clearly know nothing about, but this is one you probably need to just sit out champ. You live in a different part of the country, and have no concept of the reasons why HSBC's started, and why they continue to this day.

Even your quip about DII budget, is silly, because by and large the athletic budgets of many HSBC's are similar to that of other FCS Schools, and larger than most Division I schools with no football.

You regularly say silly things. But you might want to stick to something you have some clue on.

(12-23-2015 05:21 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  

(12-23-2015 04:37 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(12-23-2015 04:23 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  

(12-23-2015 04:22 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(12-23-2015 04:13 PM)blunderbuss Wrote:  Exactly.

Why are there HBCU's? Because sadly, there are HWCU's (Historically White Colleges and Universities).

Were, perhaps.

Schools have been integrated for some time now.

First, no "perhaps" about it.

Second, HBCU's are just as legally integrated as HWCU's, so it is dumb to question the existing of the former and not the latter.

So you admit that the use of "are" in the phrase "there are HWCU's" was incorrect.

No, the usage was entirely correct. A school like Alabama is, historically, a whites only school. It is now integrated but for most of its history it was not.

Likewise, HBCUs were, historically, established for black students who were barred from attending the HWCUs. They are now integrated as well.

(12-23-2015 04:40 PM)GrayBeard Wrote:  

(12-19-2015 09:29 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  Celebration bowl and black college national champs!

There is a black college national championship? Do they belong to a specific division?

Yes there is. Like the CFP, it is not an NCAA sanctioned title, but is determined by polls, historically the Sheridan Poll.

It is unique in that it cuts across all divisions. Any HBCU, whether FCS, D2, etc can win it.

(12-23-2015 05:19 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  

(12-23-2015 04:26 PM)samandrea Wrote:  

(12-23-2015 04:23 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  

(12-23-2015 04:22 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(12-23-2015 04:13 PM)blunderbuss Wrote:  Exactly.

Why are there HBCU's? Because sadly, there are HWCU's (Historically White Colleges and Universities).

Were, perhaps.

Schools have been integrated for some time now.

So should they close now?

Depends on the situation, I guess. I'm not advocating for any university or college to close.

Rather, to drop down to DII athletics when an institution's athletics department is operation with a DII level budget.

The SWAC almost always leads FCS in football attendance.

(12-23-2015 06:53 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(12-23-2015 05:19 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  

(12-23-2015 04:26 PM)samandrea Wrote:  

(12-23-2015 04:23 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  

(12-23-2015 04:22 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  Why are there HBCU's? Because sadly, there are HWCU's (Historically White Colleges and Universities).

Were, perhaps.

Schools have been integrated for some time now.

So should they close now?

Depends on the situation, I guess. I'm not advocating for any university or college to close.

Rather, to drop down to DII athletics when an institution's athletics department is operation with a DII level budget.

The SWAC almost always leads FCS in football attendance.

And Tuskegee in D2 always matched them will. Getting 15,000 fans in the seats to watch a game between them and Alabama State. Tuskegee is one of the few D2 schools that can get more than 10,000 fans in the seats.

(12-23-2015 07:37 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(12-23-2015 06:53 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(12-23-2015 05:19 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  

(12-23-2015 04:26 PM)samandrea Wrote:  

(12-23-2015 04:23 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  Were, perhaps.

Schools have been integrated for some time now.

So should they close now?

Depends on the situation, I guess. I'm not advocating for any university or college to close.

Rather, to drop down to DII athletics when an institution's athletics department is operation with a DII level budget.

The SWAC almost always leads FCS in football attendance.

And Tuskegee in D2 always matched them will. Getting 15,000 fans in the seats to watch a game between them and Alabama State. Tuskegee is one of the few D2 schools that can get more than 10,000 fans in the seats.

15k for us and Skegee? Add another 15k and then you got it.

(12-23-2015 06:17 PM)adcorbett Wrote:  My grandmother and her four sisters all graduated from HSBC's because they were not allowed to go to college anywhere else, and were not allowed admission to any other colleges due to their skin color. Her parents went to HSCB's because at that time they also were not allowed to go anywhere else due to their skin color. And their parents went to HSBC's because they were not allowed admission into any other colleges due to segregation. Many of these colleges today do not serve the same mission they once served, but they very much serve a mission, in keeping alive traditions and cultures that otherwise might be lost. Try stepping foot on an HSBC campus sometime: you'd be surprised to see that many are much, much more integrated than your "traditional" campuses, and serve as much to educate non-black students on history as they do to preserve the traditions of yesteryear.

Honestly you talk about a lot of things you clearly know nothing about, but this is one you probably need to just sit out champ. You live in a different part of the country, and have no concept of the reasons why HSBC's started, and why they continue to this day.

Even your quip about DII budget, is silly, because by and large the athletic budgets of many HSBC's are similar to that of other FCS Schools, and larger than most Division I schools with no football.

You regularly say silly things. But you might want to stick to something you have some clue on.

I agree with everything you said and even went to an HBCU as my real school.

That said, it's time a few of these schools merge or close. It's pure redundancy in government spending and extra bureaucracy. The threat of closure will cause the race card and protest to happen but in reality, as I've said in many threads, there's no need to have two major universities in Tallahassee and Baton Rouge as an example, not when they serve roughly the same purpose.

The tradition of marching bands, drill teams and a mostly African American campus can continue at the few HBCU's strong enough to still thrive these days.

(12-24-2015 06:54 AM)_C2_ Wrote:  

(12-23-2015 06:17 PM)adcorbett Wrote:  My grandmother and her four sisters all graduated from HSBC's because they were not allowed to go to college anywhere else, and were not allowed admission to any other colleges due to their skin color. Her parents went to HSCB's because at that time they also were not allowed to go anywhere else due to their skin color. And their parents went to HSBC's because they were not allowed admission into any other colleges due to segregation. Many of these colleges today do not serve the same mission they once served, but they very much serve a mission, in keeping alive traditions and cultures that otherwise might be lost. Try stepping foot on an HSBC campus sometime: you'd be surprised to see that many are much, much more integrated than your "traditional" campuses, and serve as much to educate non-black students on history as they do to preserve the traditions of yesteryear.

Honestly you talk about a lot of things you clearly know nothing about, but this is one you probably need to just sit out champ. You live in a different part of the country, and have no concept of the reasons why HSBC's started, and why they continue to this day.

Even your quip about DII budget, is silly, because by and large the athletic budgets of many HSBC's are similar to that of other FCS Schools, and larger than most Division I schools with no football.

You regularly say silly things. But you might want to stick to something you have some clue on.

I agree with everything you said and even went to an HBCU as my real school.

That said, it's time a few of these schools merge or close. It's pure redundancy in government spending and extra bureaucracy. The threat of closure will cause the race card and protest to happen but in reality, as I've said in many threads, there's no need to have two major universities in Tallahassee and Baton Rouge as an example, not when they serve roughly the same purpose.

The tradition of marching bands, drill teams and a mostly African American campus can continue at the few HBCU's strong enough to still thrive these days.

Why single out HBCUs? Do cash-strapped states really need Eastern, Western, Northern, and Southern versions of their state universities?

As for Tally and Baton Rouge, lots of cities have multiple universities. Not really an unusual thing. Just a quick glance at FSU's and FAMU's student populations show they have different, not redundant, missions.

In contrast, most "directional" state universities truly do duplicate the mission of the state flagship.