(12-13-2015 08:37 PM)uhmump95 Wrote:  

(12-13-2015 02:04 AM)pirates4lyfe Wrote:  Well if we were gonna go completely unproven OC at least he's got very strong local recruiting ties, some NFL experience, and not that this should matter but him being black probably will at least end the talk about race being an issue in the Ruff decision.

I made a comment about race on this board and was quickly shut down. Did race come up as an issue from other more reputable sources?

I tried to shut the race pimp down. You still think it was a race issue?

(12-13-2015 06:11 PM)blunderbuss Wrote:  http://athlonsports.com/college-football...s-under-40

12th best coordinator under 40. 2 spots behind Memphis' new HC. Funny how some of the trolls called that a good hire.

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I wish ECU good luck with the hire except when on the field with the Tigers. ECU fans deserve a good, competitive team because of the fan support the Pirates get.

Most ECU football fans are as good as/better than any on this board in their ability to have reasonably objective conversations.

Regardless of how this works out, I hope our AD learned some lessons. He did IMO a very poor job of handling public relations and personnel during this coaching change.

I was very much on board with the coaching change..but... Im very disappointed in the manner in which he handled the whole thing.

(12-13-2015 09:38 PM)blunderbuss Wrote:  

(12-13-2015 08:42 PM)Chappy Wrote:  

(12-13-2015 08:37 PM)uhmump95 Wrote:  

(12-13-2015 02:04 AM)pirates4lyfe Wrote:  Well if we were gonna go completely unproven OC at least he's got very strong local recruiting ties, some NFL experience, and not that this should matter but him being black probably will at least end the talk about race being an issue in the Ruff decision.

I made a comment about race on this board and was quickly shut down. Did race come up as an issue from other more reputable sources?

https://www.reflector.com/news/naacp-wan...ed-3065727

Race wasn't an issue.

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Indeed, but people were trying to make it into one, as the story I linked shows. As long as there are so few minority head coaches, every time one gets fired there will be a lot of scrutiny.

(12-14-2015 06:44 AM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  Regardless of how this works out, I hope our AD learned some lessons. He did IMO a very poor job of handling public relations and personnel during this coaching change.

I was very much on board with the coaching change..but... Im very disappointed in the manner in which he handled the whole thing.

Sums up my feelings, although to be fair I'm not sure how he could have possibly fired Ruff this year in any way that would have been popular or widely accepted. A large portion of fans were always gonna freak out, the players were always gonna freak out, and the media which loved Ruff were always gonna freak out. Outside of Ruff retiring or sinking to JT levels of suck this was always gonna be the way this ended and it's sad.

(12-14-2015 07:04 AM)pirates4lyfe Wrote:  

(12-14-2015 06:44 AM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  Regardless of how this works out, I hope our AD learned some lessons. He did IMO a very poor job of handling public relations and personnel during this coaching change.

I was very much on board with the coaching change..but... Im very disappointed in the manner in which he handled the whole thing.

Sums up my feelings, although to be fair I'm not sure how he could have possibly fired Ruff this year in any way that would have been popular or widely accepted. A large portion of fans were always gonna freak out, the players were always gonna freak out, and the media which loved Ruff were always gonna freak out. Outside of Ruff retiring or sinking to JT levels of suck this was always gonna be the way this ended and it's sad.

To me, the way Compher handled the firing and subsequent criticism is more of a reflection of how he views the ECU job than it is of his abilities as an AD. Yes this was a tough choice that was very unpopular. Many around the Pirate family thought there were enough extenuating circumstances to afford Ruff another year but clearly Compher didn't think so. I think Compher did as well as he could with the hire given that he had created a situation that not many head coaches would want to step into. Likewise, not many "hot-shot" coordinators would have given the ECU job a good look with an AD that was clearly out of favor with the fanbase and a new Chancellor coming in in less than a year.
Montgomery has a very high ceiling, and the fact that Compher chose him instead of running back to his NIU coaching tree tells me that Compher at least understands that the Pirate family would not have been content with him bringing in his past hires. He is still on the hot seat IMO, and hopefully the backlash from this process has enlightened him as to what Pirate fans and supporters expect from our AD.

(12-13-2015 11:44 PM)GrayBeard Wrote:  

(12-13-2015 08:37 PM)uhmump95 Wrote:  

(12-13-2015 02:04 AM)pirates4lyfe Wrote:  Well if we were gonna go completely unproven OC at least he's got very strong local recruiting ties, some NFL experience, and not that this should matter but him being black probably will at least end the talk about race being an issue in the Ruff decision.

I made a comment about race on this board and was quickly shut down. Did race come up as an issue from other more reputable sources?

I tried to shut the race pimp down. You still think it was a race issue?

i still think that considering his record, the jump to the AAC, and his ties to the university that he should not have been fired. Was it racial? I don't know, but if there was and potential backlash from the firing being considered racist, then hiring a black replacement would definitely alleviate that. Don't you think?

However as I said in my original post, if he was insubordinate, then he should have been fired.

(12-14-2015 06:49 AM)Chappy Wrote:  

(12-13-2015 09:38 PM)blunderbuss Wrote:  

(12-13-2015 08:42 PM)Chappy Wrote:  

(12-13-2015 08:37 PM)uhmump95 Wrote:  

(12-13-2015 02:04 AM)pirates4lyfe Wrote:  Well if we were gonna go completely unproven OC at least he's got very strong local recruiting ties, some NFL experience, and not that this should matter but him being black probably will at least end the talk about race being an issue in the Ruff decision.

I made a comment about race on this board and was quickly shut down. Did race come up as an issue from other more reputable sources?

https://www.reflector.com/news/naacp-wan...ed-3065727

Race wasn't an issue.

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Indeed, but people were trying to make it into one, as the story I linked shows. As long as there are so few minority head coaches, every time one gets fired there will be a lot of scrutiny.

Tulane fired their black coach and there is no scrutiny because he was under performing at his job. If McTaggart continued to under perform at USF, he may have been getting his walking papers as well and no one would have said a thing.

This was not the case with McNeil. The team was down to its third string QB and that definitely played a roll in some of ECU's close losses. 2 losing season out of 6 (I am not counting the 6 -7 season as a loss because of the bowl) should not get you terminated. Especially if you had major injuries to key positions.

(12-14-2015 09:06 AM)uhmump95 Wrote:  

(12-14-2015 06:49 AM)Chappy Wrote:  

(12-13-2015 09:38 PM)blunderbuss Wrote:  

(12-13-2015 08:42 PM)Chappy Wrote:  

(12-13-2015 08:37 PM)uhmump95 Wrote:  I made a comment about race on this board and was quickly shut down. Did race come up as an issue from other more reputable sources?

https://www.reflector.com/news/naacp-wan...ed-3065727

Race wasn't an issue.

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Indeed, but people were trying to make it into one, as the story I linked shows. As long as there are so few minority head coaches, every time one gets fired there will be a lot of scrutiny.

Tulane fired their black coach and there is no scrutiny because he was under performing at his job. If McTaggart continued to under perform at USF, he may have been getting his walking papers as well and no one would have said a thing.

This was not the case with McNeil. The team was down to its third string QB and that definitely played a roll in some of ECU's close losses. 2 losing season out of 6 (I am not counting the 6 -7 season as a loss because of the bowl) should not get you terminated. Especially if you had major injuries to key positions.

This isn't about one season. It's not about wins and losses. It's about under-achieving with some of the most talented teams we've had in years.

(12-14-2015 09:16 AM)blunderbuss Wrote:  This isn't about one season. It's not about wins and losses. It's about under-achieving with some of the most talented teams we've had in years.

I guess it depends on the point of view. ECU's season last year played out as I expected, they started well, but wasn't able to win against the top teams in the conference. This season i expected them to have decent season and win around 7 or 8 games. I think they would have done this with their starting QB in place. I expected next year to be the year they would make a push for the championship and remain contenders because they are a top team IMO.

However as a fan of a school that had a coach go 7 - 5 in his final season and was happy to see him go. I can understand wanting to get rid of a coach who you feel is under performing.

He's better than the CuJo hire but not that dissimilar otherwise...

(12-14-2015 09:45 AM)uhmump95 Wrote:  

(12-14-2015 09:16 AM)blunderbuss Wrote:  This isn't about one season. It's not about wins and losses. It's about under-achieving with some of the most talented teams we've had in years.

I guess it depends on the point of view. ECU's season last year played out as I expected, they started well, but wasn't able to win against the top teams in the conference. This season i expected them to have decent season and win around 7 or 8 games. I think they would have done this with their starting QB in place. I expected next year to be the year they would make a push for the championship and remain contenders because they are a top team IMO.

However as a fan of a school that had a coach go 7 - 5 in his final season and was happy to see him go. I can understand wanting to get rid of a coach who you feel is under performing.

Yeah I actually compared the situation to Tony Levine a while back to give some perspective of my thoughts. Tony won you 7 and 8 games but you knew you were not a threat to win the championship with him. That's essentially how I felt with Ruff. I hate it because he was an Alum that loved our school, but if the guy couldn't win the conference with an unbelievable offense and one of the best duo's in the country (and with an OC that just won the Broyles award) then it just wasn't going to happen. Not only did we lose, but we lost games like UCF in which, with better coaching, we should have won.

(12-14-2015 10:27 AM)k-vegasbuc Wrote:  

(12-14-2015 09:45 AM)uhmump95 Wrote:  

(12-14-2015 09:16 AM)blunderbuss Wrote:  This isn't about one season. It's not about wins and losses. It's about under-achieving with some of the most talented teams we've had in years.

I guess it depends on the point of view. ECU's season last year played out as I expected, they started well, but wasn't able to win against the top teams in the conference. This season i expected them to have decent season and win around 7 or 8 games. I think they would have done this with their starting QB in place. I expected next year to be the year they would make a push for the championship and remain contenders because they are a top team IMO.

However as a fan of a school that had a coach go 7 - 5 in his final season and was happy to see him go. I can understand wanting to get rid of a coach who you feel is under performing.

Yeah I actually compared the situation to Tony Levine a while back to give some perspective of my thoughts. Tony won you 7 and 8 games but you knew you were not a threat to win the championship with him. That's essentially how I felt with Ruff. I hate it because he was an Alum that loved our school, but if the guy couldn't win the conference with an unbelievable offense and one of the best duo's in the country (and with an OC that just won the Broyles award) then it just wasn't going to happen. Not only did we lose, but we lost games like UCF in which, with better coaching, we should have won.

If you are a competent manager you always ask yourself one question when you have an employee that is "borderline productive"...."Is Yes ever going to be the answer? Compher understood that Yes would never be the answer with Ruff long term.