(12-08-2015 08:38 AM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(12-08-2015 12:02 AM)3601 Wrote:  

(12-07-2015 05:50 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(12-07-2015 04:51 PM)3601 Wrote:  

(12-07-2015 04:29 PM)3601 Wrote:  According to this there were 5,752 parking spaces at the Fairgrounds prior to the construction of Tiger Lane and currently 8,122. This is a pretty interesting read.

I think the number of campus spots is closer to 10k.

http://www.memphistn.gov/Portals/0/pdf_f...-Final.pdf

Straight from the university...there are approximately 9,200 parking spots on campus....

http://www.memphis.edu/parking/permit/

If your point was to say there's more parking at the Fairgrounds than at the main campus, by your own links you have missed the mark. More parking on campus than at the Fairgrounds.

You are confused again.

Again, where did you take math? Your references 9,200 (campus) > 8,122 (fairgrounds) and that little pointer thing means greater than.

The raw numbers may be true. However, on a FB Saturday, pretty much all of the spaces at the fairgrounds are dedicated to FB crowd parking. How many of the OC spaces are actually available on a given Saturday for the additional cars? While many OC students will attend the game, many probably won't and they will have cars taking up spaces, in addition to other visitors to the campus who may not be there to attend the game. Has there actually been a traffic/parking study done for a concept OC stadium? From a "gut" engineering perspective, it seems like a stadium that size in the proposed location would be an absolute traffic and parking nightmare.

(12-08-2015 02:08 AM)fishman6581 Wrote:  Silly me. I forgot the football indoor facility, tennis courts, tennis facility, and track and field complex are all right there, too. AND we're building a $10 million facility for the band kids. If Indiana can do it, Memphis can do it.

Also baseball stadium, softball stadium and golf facility. That being said, I agree with others that you miss out on all of the benefits of a true OCS if you build it at the South Campus.

(12-08-2015 08:38 AM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(12-08-2015 12:02 AM)3601 Wrote:  

(12-07-2015 05:50 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(12-07-2015 04:51 PM)3601 Wrote:  

(12-07-2015 04:29 PM)3601 Wrote:  According to this there were 5,752 parking spaces at the Fairgrounds prior to the construction of Tiger Lane and currently 8,122. This is a pretty interesting read.

I think the number of campus spots is closer to 10k.

http://www.memphistn.gov/Portals/0/pdf_f...-Final.pdf

Straight from the university...there are approximately 9,200 parking spots on campus....

http://www.memphis.edu/parking/permit/

If your point was to say there's more parking at the Fairgrounds than at the main campus, by your own links you have missed the mark. More parking on campus than at the Fairgrounds.

You are confused again.

Again, where did you take math? Your references 9,200 (campus) > 8,122 (fairgrounds) and that little pointer thing means greater than.

Please take the time and review my first post in this thread. What part of "... I agree that the study proved there is more parking on campus than at the Fairgrounds..." do you not understand?

I agreed that there is more paring on campus than at the Fairgrounds. I was simply pointing out that his numbers (15k for campus and less than 7k for the Fairgrounds) were incorrect and then I provided the correct numbers.

Parking, travel to & from any stadium at virtually any event where 40K+ fans attend is a mess. In Athens GA the population doubles in size on gameday. But folks compensate, they tailgate before & after games, they walk downtown and eat at a number of restaurants that cater to the fans. It's a great atmosphere and all of that before & after activity lessens & smooths the traffic flow. And the city provides excellent bus transportation from & to remote parking. UTK is even worse but again, folks compensate. At Auburn, UF, or AL, it's the same story but the fans love it nonetheless, the atmosphere, the game & the parties before & after. Also, keep in mind that during classes, there is virtually no joint commuting - most all single students & facility in their cars. On game days, it mostly car loads of folks traveling to the games. It's always 4-9 folks in mine & I'm pretty much the norm for gameday.

Back to Athens, it's amazing the entrepreneurial spirit, lots of private parking decks that park a lot of cars around the campus to take folks' money for parking - in addition to the campus & remote parking provided by or arranged by the university & the city. It works for 92K fans every Saturday & its fun too.

(12-08-2015 09:55 AM)Atlanta Wrote:  Parking, travel to & from any stadium at virtually any event where 40K+ fans attend is a mess. In Athens GA the population doubles in size on gameday. But folks compensate, they tailgate before & after games, they walk downtown and eat at a number of restaurants that cater to the fans. It's a great atmosphere and all of that before & after activity lessens & smooths the traffic flow. And the city provides excellent bus transportation from & to remote parking. UTK is even worse but again, folks compensate. At Auburn, UF, or AL, it's the same story but the fans love it nonetheless, the atmosphere, the game & the parties before & after. Also, keep in mind that during classes, there is virtually no joint commuting - most all single students & facility in their cars. On game days, it mostly car loads of folks traveling to the games. It's always 4-9 folks in mine & I'm pretty much the norm for gameday.

Back to Athens, it's amazing the entrepreneurial spirit, lots of private parking decks that park a lot of cars around the campus to take folks' money for parking - in addition to the campus & remote parking provided by or arranged by the university & the city. It works for 92K fans every Saturday & its fun too.

Should have just done some5hing like this when the Forum was built. Shared parking deck (likely bigger) and concourse amenities

(12-08-2015 04:14 PM)WaywardMemphian Wrote:  

(12-08-2015 09:55 AM)Atlanta Wrote:  Parking, travel to & from any stadium at virtually any event where 40K+ fans attend is a mess. In Athens GA the population doubles in size on gameday. But folks compensate, they tailgate before & after games, they walk downtown and eat at a number of restaurants that cater to the fans. It's a great atmosphere and all of that before & after activity lessens & smooths the traffic flow. And the city provides excellent bus transportation from & to remote parking. UTK is even worse but again, folks compensate. At Auburn, UF, or AL, it's the same story but the fans love it nonetheless, the atmosphere, the game & the parties before & after. Also, keep in mind that during classes, there is virtually no joint commuting - most all single students & facility in their cars. On game days, it mostly car loads of folks traveling to the games. It's always 4-9 folks in mine & I'm pretty much the norm for gameday.

Back to Athens, it's amazing the entrepreneurial spirit, lots of private parking decks that park a lot of cars around the campus to take folks' money for parking - in addition to the campus & remote parking provided by or arranged by the university & the city. It works for 92K fans every Saturday & its fun too.

Should have just done some5hing like this when the Forum was built. Shared parking deck (likely bigger) and concourse amenities

How, exactly, would something like that ugly thing get folks ON THE CAMPUS? Moving football to Beale Street is a step in the wrong direction.

If we get into the B12, we will have an additional $25-30 million per year in revenue; that doesn't include the likely additional revenue to be generated from football and basketball ticket sales. When you couple that with the newly-created autonomy with our own Board, I could see some discussion about planning for an on-campus stadium in the next 10-15 years.

(12-08-2015 04:54 PM)TigersRuleAll Wrote:  If we get into the B12, we will have an additional $25-30 million per year in revenue; that doesn't include the likely additional revenue to be generated from football and basketball ticket sales. When you couple that with the newly-created autonomy with our own Board, I could see some discussion about planning for an on-campus stadium in the next 10-15 years.

I'll be an old sob by then but hopefully my kids/grand kids could enjoy an on campus stadium in that scenario.

(12-08-2015 04:49 PM)geosnooker2000 Wrote:  

(12-08-2015 04:14 PM)WaywardMemphian Wrote:  

(12-08-2015 09:55 AM)Atlanta Wrote:  Parking, travel to & from any stadium at virtually any event where 40K+ fans attend is a mess. In Athens GA the population doubles in size on gameday. But folks compensate, they tailgate before & after games, they walk downtown and eat at a number of restaurants that cater to the fans. It's a great atmosphere and all of that before & after activity lessens & smooths the traffic flow. And the city provides excellent bus transportation from & to remote parking. UTK is even worse but again, folks compensate. At Auburn, UF, or AL, it's the same story but the fans love it nonetheless, the atmosphere, the game & the parties before & after. Also, keep in mind that during classes, there is virtually no joint commuting - most all single students & facility in their cars. On game days, it mostly car loads of folks traveling to the games. It's always 4-9 folks in mine & I'm pretty much the norm for gameday.

Back to Athens, it's amazing the entrepreneurial spirit, lots of private parking decks that park a lot of cars around the campus to take folks' money for parking - in addition to the campus & remote parking provided by or arranged by the university & the city. It works for 92K fans every Saturday & its fun too.

Posted more for the concept(I hate the mod look as well and moving football to Beale is a step in the right direction, no reason tailgating should be forgotten and have an area as well. Memphis is never getting an On Campus Stadium and the south campus doesn't count.




Should have just done some5hing like this when the Forum was built. Shared parking deck (likely bigger) and concourse amenities

How, exactly, would something like that ugly thing get folks ON THE CAMPUS? Moving football to Beale Street is a step in the wrong direction.

Posted more for the concept of having both in the same structure to share amenities.

Football would do well anywhere if it's a quality product, Beale brings synergies together but this was a hindsight type of post. Could have had urban green space included that doubles up as tailgating areas.

I don't consider the south campus as "on campus" and all space that can be freed up on the main campus needs to remain for academic and housing needs.

(12-08-2015 07:46 PM)WaywardMemphian Wrote:  

(12-08-2015 04:49 PM)geosnooker2000 Wrote:  

(12-08-2015 04:14 PM)WaywardMemphian Wrote:  

(12-08-2015 09:55 AM)Atlanta Wrote:  Parking, travel to & from any stadium at virtually any event where 40K+ fans attend is a mess. In Athens GA the population doubles in size on gameday. But folks compensate, they tailgate before & after games, they walk downtown and eat at a number of restaurants that cater to the fans. It's a great atmosphere and all of that before & after activity lessens & smooths the traffic flow. And the city provides excellent bus transportation from & to remote parking. UTK is even worse but again, folks compensate. At Auburn, UF, or AL, it's the same story but the fans love it nonetheless, the atmosphere, the game & the parties before & after. Also, keep in mind that during classes, there is virtually no joint commuting - most all single students & facility in their cars. On game days, it mostly car loads of folks traveling to the games. It's always 4-9 folks in mine & I'm pretty much the norm for gameday.

Back to Athens, it's amazing the entrepreneurial spirit, lots of private parking decks that park a lot of cars around the campus to take folks' money for parking - in addition to the campus & remote parking provided by or arranged by the university & the city. It works for 92K fans every Saturday & its fun too.

Posted more for the concept(I hate the mod look as well and moving football to Beale is a step in the right direction, no reason tailgating should be forgotten and have an area as well. Memphis is never getting an On Campus Stadium and the south campus doesn't count.




Should have just done some5hing like this when the Forum was built. Shared parking deck (likely bigger) and concourse amenities

How, exactly, would something like that ugly thing get folks ON THE CAMPUS? Moving football to Beale Street is a step in the wrong direction.

Posted more for the concept of having both in the same structure to share amenities.

Football would do well anywhere if it's a quality product, Beale brings synergies together but this was a hindsight type of post. Could have had urban green space included that doubles up as tailgating areas.

I don't consider the south campus as "on campus" and all space that can be freed up on the main campus needs to remain for academic and housing needs.

OCS IMO means on the main campus - there are several locations, see the study done for details.

But the biggest issue that many Memphians don't grasp is the conflict of interest related to a quasi-city/university project. The city would own it & the university & any other users would rent it & keep ticket sales. That creates the conflict & destoys motivation. The city then is only motivated to keep the rent coming in. The renters (our university & others) can only generate revenue from ticket sales. That model doesn't work for any of the parties long term. That is why an OCS works. The university is the beneficiary of ALL generated revenues - naming rights, seat licenses, suite sales, concessions, parking, souvenirs & fan memorabilia. aTm has completed $450M renovation - not a new stadium, a renovation of Kyle Field with virtually no state or university debt through donations, seat licences, suite sales, concessions & student activity fees. If our university was willing to make a commitment to an OCS & city politics would stay out of the way, it could be accomplished on-campus within 10 yrs using that pattern.

(12-08-2015 02:06 AM)fishman6581 Wrote:  

(12-07-2015 11:06 PM)Harry J Wrote:  

(12-07-2015 09:57 PM)Claw Wrote:  The only thing required to find a place for an OCS is the decision to build one. Once you make that decision you can find a place. Until you make that decision, there is no place.

For those of you who think there is no room, go look at other universities. You'll find many where the stadium is squeezed into the campus just likes ours would be.

If it was done right, the stadium could be multi-purposed for a number of things but our administration at the time had the imagination of small rocks.

Exactly.

Happening everywhere. Louisville is a nice example. At Indiana, we've always had Memorial Stadium and Assembly Hall right next to each other. Just built brand new baseball and softball fields next to them. And about to build a new volleyball/wrestling gym next to them. Plus the basketball training facility is only six years old next to them too. Plus eight large lots for parking. And we have 40k kids. It could work with the right people.

Increased enrollment to 30/40k would be nice. Not just at UM, but Rhodes, CBU, LOC, SOC, UTHSC, Visible, Union, etc. Memphis needs to double the number of higher ed students at area colleges and universities.