(12-06-2015 11:36 AM)Smith Wrote: "I can't help but think what that team would have been with Nichols. Would Dedric be coming in off the bench or would we have gone with AN, Shaq, and Lawson?"
No, Nichols would be coming off the bench. Dad not as dumb as some think. Just didn't man up and state the real reason for leaving. Sort of like the former football coach. Spin it so you don't look as bad.
Nichols might have never been on the bench....lol.
I almost wish he had never signed......he was in line to be one of the greatest Tigers ever.
It would have been between Shaq and Dedric with trying to play Dedric at 3 some. AN would play 30 mpg due to D and IQ. Very good college player.
Dedric plays better defense that Austin...Casual fans fall in love with blocks, but it was clear that Austin had trouble with on ball defense especially if the person Austin is guarding can play on the perimeter. Yep Austin got 1.5 blocks a game but Dedric gets 8. more steals a game and 2.9 more rebounds a game and actually can guard a big man on the perimeter.
Have you watched Dedric play D this year? Horrendous.
We’ve only played one good team so far and had trouble with a no-win team last night. We play 6 more consecutive games at home this month and won’t face another good team until UCONN. I don’t see how anyone can determine where we stand now, looks like a typical beatable Pastner team to me.
Come January we’ll start to see what this team has (or hasn’t) got.
(12-06-2015 10:05 AM)dfwtxtiger Wrote: We have no outside shooting. Even the TV guys said that.
Woodson seems to be the only player who consistently can hit the three. It is a limitation that will not likely go away and we will need to work around it. Woodson, BTW, has improved over last year. He appears to be a better defender and drives the basket more often. He had six assists last night.
He did make some good entry passes.
He seemed to play better D than last season also ........... .
(12-07-2015 01:44 AM)BealeStreetTiger Wrote: We’ve only played one good team so far and had trouble with a no-win team last night. We play 6 more consecutive games at home this month and won’t face another good team until UCONN. I don’t see how anyone can determine where we stand now, looks like a typical beatable Pastner team to me.
Come January we’ll start to see what this team has (or hasn’t) got.
(12-07-2015 01:44 AM)BealeStreetTiger Wrote: We’ve only played one good team so far and had trouble with a no-win team last night. We play 6 more consecutive games at home this month and won’t face another good team until UCONN. I don’t see how anyone can determine where we stand now, looks like a typical beatable Pastner team to me.
Come January we’ll start to see what this team has (or hasn’t) got.
Guess you'll have to wait until next year then.
In the meantime, kindly STFU.
Have you taken the time to actually look at our schedule? We should be the favorite in our next 7 games with 6 being home games. After that we will play UCONN on their court and this game should be a real barometer of where we are…
12/12/2015 Manhattan-FedExForum
12/15/2015 Southern- FedExForum
12/18/2015 Ole Miss- FedExForum
12/22/2015 IUPUI- FedExForum
12/29/2015 Tulane- FedExForum
1/2/2016 South Carolina- Columbia, S.C
1/5/2016 Nicholls State- FedExForum
1/9/2016 Connecticut- Storrs, Conn
Even if we win those 7 games in a row it will do little to help our RPI and this is the same problem we’ve had for 7 years. Beat cupcakes, lose to equal or better teams, and wonder why we get crappy NCAAt seeds.
We will have to defeat some good teams in our conference and if not, we won’t be dancing.
(12-06-2015 06:47 AM)holyterror Wrote: Yes, the game last night was closer than the final score indicated. No, that's not a good thing.
But considering one of the big questions about this season's basketball team was the inside presence:
The Dedric/Shaq combo is averaging an honest 30 ppg, on 48.4% shooting. 17.6 rebounds. 4.1 blocks. Heck, even 66% FT shooting, thanks largely to Shaq's improvement to .725 from the line (player development, or just an aberration?).
IMO, what we really missed last night was Burrell's contributions at SF of 9.2 ppg, and his 7.2 boards (which is amazing given his limited minutes).
Roughly 1/4 of the way into the season, and with Dedric's freshman wall yet to be hit, I'm optimistic. This is far from a complete team, and we're in big trouble if either Dedric or Shaq gets injured, but so far so good.
I can't help but think what that team would have been with Nichols. Would Dedric be coming in off the bench or would we have gone with AN, Shaq, and Lawson?
I would start all three in a traditional F-F-C-G-G lineup.
(12-06-2015 11:36 AM)Smith Wrote: "I can't help but think what that team would have been with Nichols. Would Dedric be coming in off the bench or would we have gone with AN, Shaq, and Lawson?"
No, Nichols would be coming off the bench. Dad not as dumb as some think. Just didn't man up and state the real reason for leaving. Sort of like the former football coach. Spin it so you don't look as bad.
Nichols might have never been on the bench....lol.
I almost wish he had never signed......he was in line to be one of the greatest Tigers ever.
It would have been between Shaq and Dedric with trying to play Dedric at 3 some. AN would play 30 mpg due to D and IQ. Very good college player.
Dedric plays better defense that Austin...Casual fans fall in love with blocks, but it was clear that Austin had trouble with on ball defense especially if the person Austin is guarding can play on the perimeter. Yep Austin got 1.5 blocks a game but Dedric gets 8. more steals a game and 2.9 more rebounds a game and actually can guard a big man on the perimeter.
Oh man.
Ole'
(This post was last modified: 12-07-2015 03:32 PM by midtowncowboy.)
(12-07-2015 01:44 AM)BealeStreetTiger Wrote: We’ve only played one good team so far and had trouble with a no-win team last night. We play 6 more consecutive games at home this month and won’t face another good team until UCONN. I don’t see how anyone can determine where we stand now, looks like a typical beatable Pastner team to me.
Come January we’ll start to see what this team has (or hasn’t) got.
Guess you'll have to wait until next year then.
In the meantime, kindly STFU.
Have you taken the time to actually look at our schedule? We should be the favorite in our next 7 games with 6 being home games. After that we will play UCONN on their court and this game should be a real barometer of where we are…
12/12/2015 Manhattan-FedExForum
12/15/2015 Southern- FedExForum
12/18/2015 Ole Miss- FedExForum
12/22/2015 IUPUI- FedExForum
12/29/2015 Tulane- FedExForum
1/2/2016 South Carolina- Columbia, S.C
1/5/2016 Nicholls State- FedExForum
1/9/2016 Connecticut- Storrs, Conn
Even if we win those 7 games in a row it will do little to help our RPI and this is the same problem we’ve had for 7 years. Beat cupcakes, lose to equal or better teams, and wonder why we get crappy NCAAt seeds.
We will have to defeat some good teams in our conference and if not, we won’t be dancing.
Isn't South Carolina 8-0 with a victory over one of our higher rated conference teams. How about you actually do a little research there buddy.
(This post was last modified: 12-07-2015 03:59 PM by macgar32.)
(12-07-2015 01:44 AM)BealeStreetTiger Wrote: We’ve only played one good team so far and had trouble with a no-win team last night. We play 6 more consecutive games at home this month and won’t face another good team until UCONN. I don’t see how anyone can determine where we stand now, looks like a typical beatable Pastner team to me.
Come January we’ll start to see what this team has (or hasn’t) got.
Guess you'll have to wait until next year then.
In the meantime, kindly STFU.
Have you taken the time to actually look at our schedule? We should be the favorite in our next 7 games with 6 being home games. After that we will play UCONN on their court and this game should be a real barometer of where we are…
12/12/2015 Manhattan-FedExForum
12/15/2015 Southern- FedExForum
12/18/2015 Ole Miss- FedExForum
12/22/2015 IUPUI- FedExForum
12/29/2015 Tulane- FedExForum
1/2/2016 South Carolina- Columbia, S.C
1/5/2016 Nicholls State- FedExForum
1/9/2016 Connecticut- Storrs, Conn
Even if we win those 7 games in a row it will do little to help our RPI and this is the same problem we’ve had for 7 years. Beat cupcakes, lose to equal or better teams, and wonder why we get crappy NCAAt seeds.
We will have to defeat some good teams in our conference and if not, we won’t be dancing.
Isn't South Carolina 8-0 with a victory over one of our higher rated conference teams. How about you actually do a little research there buddy.
I know about South Carolina but other than Tulsa they haven’t been seriously tested either. As I said it’s still early in the season and while some teams will get better, others will fade. This is why I usually wait until mid January to see if a team has progressed. By then they should have their roster, rotation, go-to-player, primary O/D sets (ect), all sorted out.
Lol I didn’t say the Tigers would win all 7 games, I said IF we win them.
(12-06-2015 06:47 AM)holyterror Wrote: Yes, the game last night was closer than the final score indicated. No, that's not a good thing.
But considering one of the big questions about this season's basketball team was the inside presence:
The Dedric/Shaq combo is averaging an honest 30 ppg, on 48.4% shooting. 17.6 rebounds. 4.1 blocks. Heck, even 66% FT shooting, thanks largely to Shaq's improvement to .725 from the line (player development, or just an aberration?).
IMO, what we really missed last night was Burrell's contributions at SF of 9.2 ppg, and his 7.2 boards (which is amazing given his limited minutes).
Roughly 1/4 of the way into the season, and with Dedric's freshman wall yet to be hit, I'm optimistic. This is far from a complete team, and we're in big trouble if either Dedric or Shaq gets injured, but so far so good.
I can't help but think what that team would have been with Nichols. Would Dedric be coming in off the bench or would we have gone with AN, Shaq, and Lawson?
I would start all three in a traditional F-F-C-G-G lineup.
(12-06-2015 06:47 AM)holyterror Wrote: Yes, the game last night was closer than the final score indicated. No, that's not a good thing.
But considering one of the big questions about this season's basketball team was the inside presence:
The Dedric/Shaq combo is averaging an honest 30 ppg, on 48.4% shooting. 17.6 rebounds. 4.1 blocks. Heck, even 66% FT shooting, thanks largely to Shaq's improvement to .725 from the line (player development, or just an aberration?).
IMO, what we really missed last night was Burrell's contributions at SF of 9.2 ppg, and his 7.2 boards (which is amazing given his limited minutes).
Roughly 1/4 of the way into the season, and with Dedric's freshman wall yet to be hit, I'm optimistic. This is far from a complete team, and we're in big trouble if either Dedric or Shaq gets injured, but so far so good.
I can't help but think what that team would have been with Nichols. Would Dedric be coming in off the bench or would we have gone with AN, Shaq, and Lawson?
I would start all three in a traditional F-F-C-G-G lineup.
(12-07-2015 01:44 AM)BealeStreetTiger Wrote: We’ve only played one good team so far and had trouble with a no-win team last night. We play 6 more consecutive games at home this month and won’t face another good team until UCONN. I don’t see how anyone can determine where we stand now, looks like a typical beatable Pastner team to me.
Come January we’ll start to see what this team has (or hasn’t) got.
Guess you'll have to wait until next year then.
In the meantime, kindly STFU.
Have you taken the time to actually look at our schedule? We should be the favorite in our next 7 games with 6 being home games. After that we will play UCONN on their court and this game should be a real barometer of where we are…
12/12/2015 Manhattan-FedExForum
12/15/2015 Southern- FedExForum
12/18/2015 Ole Miss- FedExForum
12/22/2015 IUPUI- FedExForum
12/29/2015 Tulane- FedExForum
1/2/2016 South Carolina- Columbia, S.C
1/5/2016 Nicholls State- FedExForum
1/9/2016 Connecticut- Storrs, Conn
Even if we win those 7 games in a row it will do little to help our RPI and this is the same problem we’ve had for 7 years. Beat cupcakes, lose to equal or better teams, and wonder why we get crappy NCAAt seeds.
We will have to defeat some good teams in our conference and if not, we won’t be dancing.
Isn't South Carolina 8-0 with a victory over one of our higher rated conference teams. How about you actually do a little research there buddy.
I know about South Carolina but other than Tulsa they haven’t been seriously tested either. As I said it’s still early in the season and while some teams will get better, others will fade. This is why I usually wait until mid January to see if a team has progressed. By then they should have their roster, rotation, go-to-player, primary O/D sets (ect), all sorted out.
Lol I didn’t say the Tigers would win all 7 games, I said IF we win them.
So why do you consider UConn a barometer, They are 5-2 and only have 1 good win over a middling Michigan team?
(12-06-2015 11:36 AM)Smith Wrote: "I can't help but think what that team would have been with Nichols. Would Dedric be coming in off the bench or would we have gone with AN, Shaq, and Lawson?"
No, Nichols would be coming off the bench. Dad not as dumb as some think. Just didn't man up and state the real reason for leaving. Sort of like the former football coach. Spin it so you don't look as bad.
Yea right spin it any way you like.. He left for 1 reason and 1 reason only PASTNER.. Period..
(12-07-2015 03:23 AM)Tiger Greg Wrote: Guess you'll have to wait until next year then.
In the meantime, kindly STFU.
Have you taken the time to actually look at our schedule? We should be the favorite in our next 7 games with 6 being home games. After that we will play UCONN on their court and this game should be a real barometer of where we are…
12/12/2015 Manhattan-FedExForum
12/15/2015 Southern- FedExForum
12/18/2015 Ole Miss- FedExForum
12/22/2015 IUPUI- FedExForum
12/29/2015 Tulane- FedExForum
1/2/2016 South Carolina- Columbia, S.C
1/5/2016 Nicholls State- FedExForum
1/9/2016 Connecticut- Storrs, Conn
Even if we win those 7 games in a row it will do little to help our RPI and this is the same problem we’ve had for 7 years. Beat cupcakes, lose to equal or better teams, and wonder why we get crappy NCAAt seeds.
We will have to defeat some good teams in our conference and if not, we won’t be dancing.
Isn't South Carolina 8-0 with a victory over one of our higher rated conference teams. How about you actually do a little research there buddy.
I know about South Carolina but other than Tulsa they haven’t been seriously tested either. As I said it’s still early in the season and while some teams will get better, others will fade. This is why I usually wait until mid January to see if a team has progressed. By then they should have their roster, rotation, go-to-player, primary O/D sets (ect), all sorted out.
Lol I didn’t say the Tigers would win all 7 games, I said IF we win them.
So why do you consider UConn a barometer, They are 5-2 and only have 1 good win over a middling Michigan team?
Basically because it will be close to mid-January and on the road, so it looked like a good place to see if they have improved. I looked at the schedule weeks ago and thought this game would be a good starting point to see where we actually were.
I’ve been doing this every January for decades and I must say it usually works for me.
(This post was last modified: 12-07-2015 06:28 PM by BealeStreetTiger.)
Tigers have to have outside shooting or every team will zone them night after night. Martin doesn't need to shoot 3s. Randall can't hit from 3 either. Hopefully Trahson won't be out long. Our inside guys are going to stack up some fouls against better teams if the shooting from outside doesn't improve.
(12-07-2015 06:39 PM)Antonio5fan Wrote: Tigers have to have outside shooting or every team will zone them night after night. Martin doesn't need to shoot 3s. Randall can't hit from 3 either. Hopefully Trahson won't be out long. Our inside guys are going to stack up some fouls against better teams if the shooting from outside doesn't improve.
Hopefully Ricky Tarrant is out of his slump and can help Woodson with some threes. Ricky is also good driving through a zone so this can help too.
But you are right as teams are going to start packing it in and force us to shoot/make some threes.
(12-07-2015 06:39 PM)Antonio5fan Wrote: Tigers have to have outside shooting or every team will zone them night after night. Martin doesn't need to shoot 3s. Randall can't hit from 3 either. Hopefully Trahson won't be out long. Our inside guys are going to stack up some fouls against better teams if the shooting from outside doesn't improve.
Hopefully Ricky Tarrant is out of his slump and can help Woodson with some threes. Ricky is also good driving through a zone so this can help too.
But you are right as teams are going to start packing it in and force us to shoot/make some threes.
This is, by far, the worst shooting team in Pastner's tenure. Fortunately, they're also the best freethrow shooting team he's had, so you know how we ought to be playing.
(12-07-2015 06:39 PM)Antonio5fan Wrote: Tigers have to have outside shooting or every team will zone them night after night. Martin doesn't need to shoot 3s. Randall can't hit from 3 either. Hopefully Trahson won't be out long. Our inside guys are going to stack up some fouls against better teams if the shooting from outside doesn't improve.
Hopefully Ricky Tarrant is out of his slump and can help Woodson with some threes. Ricky is also good driving through a zone so this can help too.
But you are right as teams are going to start packing it in and force us to shoot/make some threes.
This is, by far, the worst shooting team in Pastner's tenure. Fortunately, they're also the best freethrow shooting team he's had, so you know how we ought to be playing.
(12-07-2015 06:39 PM)Antonio5fan Wrote: Tigers have to have outside shooting or every team will zone them night after night. Martin doesn't need to shoot 3s. Randall can't hit from 3 either. Hopefully Trahson won't be out long. Our inside guys are going to stack up some fouls against better teams if the shooting from outside doesn't improve.
Hopefully Ricky Tarrant is out of his slump and can help Woodson with some threes. Ricky is also good driving through a zone so this can help too.
But you are right as teams are going to start packing it in and force us to shoot/make some threes.
This is, by far, the worst shooting team in Pastner's tenure. Fortunately, they're also the best freethrow shooting team he's had, so you know how we ought to be playing.
Worst shooting, yet highest scoring...
Just a strange year.
What’s even stranger is almost every team we play has one of their guys magically transform into a Stephen Curry clone.
I hope we are working on the hi-lo (ect) too because looks like we’re gonna need some polished paint sets when our perimeter shots aren’t falling.
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