Monday is going to be one interesting day....I wonder what the fallout will be by the time 12:01 Am Tuesday hits....

(12-05-2015 10:32 PM)ecumbh1999 Wrote:  

(12-05-2015 03:12 PM)pirates4lyfe Wrote:  

(12-05-2015 02:53 PM)ecumbh1999 Wrote:  

(12-05-2015 02:25 PM)200yrs2late Wrote:  Just got confirmation that it was absolutely over personnel. Compher wanted Ruff to fire a few assistants and he wouldn't. Compher told him it was the assistants or him.

Also got confirmation on the text message to the team and Comphers very short discussion with them.

Next coach is probably the NIU guy

Rick Smith was going to retire, Mark Yellock was going to DC, no can deny the way he built the D-line and helped direct the D. Especially the front 7. Ruff had just called a guy to name him the new secondary coach.

Also, Shelly Binger's keeps coming up as someone in Compher's ear calling for Ruff to be fired. She is also the subject of a letter sent to the BOT, Ruff, Macy, Lebo and Ballard. There are a lot stories about her I'm hearing that match NIU fan's stories from a few years ago.

The more I hear the more this stinks of back office politics. Some of this is coming from Platinum Saber level PC members ($125,000 giving level) and former members of the BOT.

I love Yellock, but promoting him to DC would have done nothing to make things any better. Everyone points to UNC and saying everyone wanted Fedora out and now they are great, but he blew out the entire defensive staff and replaced them with massive upgrades and thats the big reason for the change. Ruff wasn't going to make any kind of change he was gonna double down on what wasn't really working. Yellock has been at ECU for Ruff's entire tenure, and the defense in that time has ranged from at best average to the worst in college football. There's no reason to have promoted from within coming off this season. An outside upgrade was needed and the fact that Ruff wasn't winning to do that wasn't a good idea.

UNC has the money to do that, we don't. Before this news we were $850,000 in the red already. In order to do what Fedora did, Ruff needed the budget to do it, which he doesn't have.

I'm well aware we couldn't pay someone like Chizik, but with all the unemployed coaches out there currently the idea that the best available DC candidates were the 2 guys who've been here the whole time while the defense was not very good is silly. Do you think promoting either would have made the defense dramatically better? Do you think another year of Ruff would have produced a conference championship and a 10+ win season? Do you think after 6 years the boneheaded clock management issues were just gonna go away? The idea that this decision was made solely on this season is wrong. I'd argue last season was the much bigger failure turning a team that absolutely should have been special into an 8-5 group. Even his big "10 win season" had 2 gigantic debacles and couldn't even win the C-Belt.

Carey has gone 12-1, 11-2 and now 8-5 with a shot at 9 wins, which makes me wonder about his recruiting ability. His MAC record those three years fell from 8-0 to 7-1 to 6-2.

It's not terrible, and obviously there's nowhere to go but down from 8-0... But I'm not sure I like the trajectory.

The tank at the end of last season is what caused this. Everything that happened this year is explainable. Everyone talks about of course you saw a drop off losing a great QB, WR, and a superstar OC. The problem is with all those guys last year we gagged and lost 4 of the last 6 games in inexplicably stupid fashion. If that team had finished 11-1 or 10-2 like it absolutely should have no one holds it against Ruff the stuff that went down this year. Last year is what showed he would never get it done.

(12-05-2015 12:25 PM)BigEastHomer Wrote:  

(12-05-2015 12:03 PM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  

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(12-05-2015 10:56 AM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  

(12-04-2015 04:28 PM)App10 Wrote:  1. You're looking at old numbers regarding Satts contract. Closer to $700k a year and in Boone that goes a long way
2.Nike wanted to pay y'all less than what App gets, can't help Adidas is desperate for any kind of promotion of overpaid to get ECU a deal, but congrats.

3. Percentage wise we filled more of our stadium than ECU. Boone faces different and unique challenges than does Greenville in regards to attendance, so we will probably never have a 50k seat stadium (also helps there isn't anything at all to do in Greenville other than see an ECU game)

4. App has MIAMI and WAKE schedule for a H&H and we're only 2 years into this FBS thing.

Like I said ECU isn't a big jump up AT ALL from Appalachian and the gap is only going to get smaller in the coming years. Losing Ruffin isn't going to help either, good luck hahah.

ECU and the AAC is far ahead of the Sunbelt. However, we are all pigmies compared to the P-5.

Had a winning record against the ACC pigmies this year.

Winning records against P-5 conferences are transitory. In terms of revenue and fan support (the most important factors to strategic conference strength) we are all pigmies compared to the P-5.

There are levels to this. We are more comparable to the P5 vs the rest in terms of TV exposure, markets, and brand saturation. The revenue and fan support is trending up as well. So to simply group everything together is lazy and lacks contrast.

Our record this year against the ACC has been recorded and can't be erased as is our multiple teams in the Top 25.

The ACC's immediate goal should be general acceptance by the sports media and casual fan that the AAC is on a different level from other G-5 leagues. It requires obtaining the Access Bowl in most years, winning bowl games, winning OOC games (including against P-5 schools) , attending games, building facilities, etc.

Over an extended period of time under those conditions, it will be possible to achieve the next goal which is anointment of de facto Power League status by the media and sporting public.

Failure to grasp reality concerning the AAC's present place on the pecking order is delusional and counter productive because it hides or retards the understanding of the steps needed to improve the league's perception.

(12-06-2015 06:59 AM)pirates4lyfe Wrote:  

(12-05-2015 10:32 PM)ecumbh1999 Wrote:  

(12-05-2015 03:12 PM)pirates4lyfe Wrote:  

(12-05-2015 02:53 PM)ecumbh1999 Wrote:  

(12-05-2015 02:25 PM)200yrs2late Wrote:  Just got confirmation that it was absolutely over personnel. Compher wanted Ruff to fire a few assistants and he wouldn't. Compher told him it was the assistants or him.

Also got confirmation on the text message to the team and Comphers very short discussion with them.

Next coach is probably the NIU guy

Rick Smith was going to retire, Mark Yellock was going to DC, no can deny the way he built the D-line and helped direct the D. Especially the front 7. Ruff had just called a guy to name him the new secondary coach.

Also, Shelly Binger's keeps coming up as someone in Compher's ear calling for Ruff to be fired. She is also the subject of a letter sent to the BOT, Ruff, Macy, Lebo and Ballard. There are a lot stories about her I'm hearing that match NIU fan's stories from a few years ago.

The more I hear the more this stinks of back office politics. Some of this is coming from Platinum Saber level PC members ($125,000 giving level) and former members of the BOT.

I love Yellock, but promoting him to DC would have done nothing to make things any better. Everyone points to UNC and saying everyone wanted Fedora out and now they are great, but he blew out the entire defensive staff and replaced them with massive upgrades and thats the big reason for the change. Ruff wasn't going to make any kind of change he was gonna double down on what wasn't really working. Yellock has been at ECU for Ruff's entire tenure, and the defense in that time has ranged from at best average to the worst in college football. There's no reason to have promoted from within coming off this season. An outside upgrade was needed and the fact that Ruff wasn't winning to do that wasn't a good idea.

UNC has the money to do that, we don't. Before this news we were $850,000 in the red already. In order to do what Fedora did, Ruff needed the budget to do it, which he doesn't have.

I'm well aware we couldn't pay someone like Chizik, but with all the unemployed coaches out there currently the idea that the best available DC candidates were the 2 guys who've been here the whole time while the defense was not very good is silly. Do you think promoting either would have made the defense dramatically better? Do you think another year of Ruff would have produced a conference championship and a 10+ win season? Do you think after 6 years the boneheaded clock management issues were just gonna go away? The idea that this decision was made solely on this season is wrong. I'd argue last season was the much bigger failure turning a team that absolutely should have been special into an 8-5 group. Even his big "10 win season" had 2 gigantic debacles and couldn't even win the C-Belt.

No, there are off the field issues at play here, some of that is starting to come to light and more will start to come out. I want to see the letter sent to Ballard, BOT, Ruff, Lebo, Macy and others about one Compher's NIU people and their state issued phone. Stay tune..............

Don't care about any of that garbage or this little feud between the old guard ECU administrators and the new people Compher brought over. Really I don't give a crap about it. The truth is Ruff was never going to win a championship at ECU. Find the guy who will. If Compher does all that junk doesn't matter, and if he doesn't all that junk doesn't matter because he'll be fired next.

Hearing interest in Western Michigan coach. Amazing recruiter.

Question though. Doesn't WMU have same admission advantages like Marshall?

(12-06-2015 11:46 AM)isidnirb Wrote:  Hearing interest in Western Michigan coach. Amazing recruiter.

If you could snag Fleck and call it a day, that would be a good first step in moving on.

Unsure about admission standards.

I've gone on the ECU boards and read some stuff and if true then yes he should have handled the firing more professionally. That being said if you objectively look at Ruff's resume it is nothing impressive and I, even though I would have given him one more year, don't think we would ever get over that "hump" with him at the helm.

The thing I don't understand is the supposedly huge uproar with the fanbase over this, if so many people cared about Ruff and this program then why was our attendance steadily declining? Because I promise you, if we consistently sold out our stadium and our donations for facility improvements were through the roof with Ruff, no change would have been made. I would actually argue that the apathy of the fanbase the last few years is one of the main reasons for making this change to reinvigorate the program and giving so we can improve our stadium and not fall behind our peers.

But hears the bottom line, Compher is knowingly putting his job on the line with this decision. So if it doesn't work out he's probably gone, I have a feeling he's not taking this lightly.

(12-06-2015 11:46 AM)isidnirb Wrote:  Hearing interest in Western Michigan coach. Amazing recruiter.

Question though. Doesn't WMU have same admission advantages like Marshall?

Even if they do I don't really think it matters. A coach should use whatever advantages he has. I know people make the argument that the reason Doc is such a great recruiter is their admission standards at Marshall. Actually he has always been known as a great recruiter at virtually every school he's been to. The WMU coach definitely intrigues me as does Brohm from WKU though both may want to stay and hope for a future P-5 offer.

(12-06-2015 11:51 AM)k-vegasbuc Wrote:  I've gone on the ECU boards and read some stuff and if true then yes he should have handled the firing more professionally. That being said if you objectively look at Ruff's resume it is nothing impressive and I, even though I would have given him one more year, don't think we would ever get over that "hump" with him at the helm.

The thing I don't understand is the supposedly huge uproar with the fanbase over this, if so many people cared about Ruff and this program then why was our attendance steadily declining? Because I promise you, if we consistently sold out our stadium and our donations for facility improvements were through the roof with Ruff, no change would have been made. I would actually argue that the apathy of the fanbase the last few years is one of the main reasons for making this change to reinvigorate the program and giving so we can improve our stadium and not fall behind our peers.

But hears the bottom line, Compher is knowingly putting his job on the line with this decision. So if it doesn't work out he's probably gone, I have a feeling he's not taking this lightly.

Everyone has been taking shots at him, but he had the guts to go up there have a presser and take questions from the media the day of the decision when he could have easily just stuck with the press release and not spoke till someone was hired. He's well aware he's staked his entire career in athletics on this hire. People have said he wants to use being AD at ECU as a stepping stone, well if he screws this up it's a stepping stone to the unemployment line, and with how much the national media has killed him over this if this hire fails his entire legacy will be defined by this decision.

(12-06-2015 11:54 AM)k-vegasbuc Wrote:  The WMU coach definitely intrigues me as does Brohm from WKU though both may want to stay and hope for a future P-5 offer.

They'd probably have a long wait for a P5 offer at WMU or WKU.

Brian Kelly wouldn't have been chosen for ND from a Michigan directional. He had to go to UC first.

There is an established hierarchy that usually reflects the salary scale. For low totem P5 jobs, sure.. they may go that low. But, there was a reason why Fuente, Herman, and Rhule, were sought out for the better jobs this year.

IMO, when you approach a coach with an offer that will probably come close to doubling his salary. He'll jump. If he doesn't have it in him to accept, you don't want him.

(12-05-2015 10:32 PM)ecumbh1999 Wrote:  

(12-05-2015 03:12 PM)pirates4lyfe Wrote:  

(12-05-2015 02:53 PM)ecumbh1999 Wrote:  

(12-05-2015 02:25 PM)200yrs2late Wrote:  Just got confirmation that it was absolutely over personnel. Compher wanted Ruff to fire a few assistants and he wouldn't. Compher told him it was the assistants or him.

Also got confirmation on the text message to the team and Comphers very short discussion with them.

Next coach is probably the NIU guy

Rick Smith was going to retire, Mark Yellock was going to DC, no can deny the way he built the D-line and helped direct the D. Especially the front 7. Ruff had just called a guy to name him the new secondary coach.

Also, Shelly Binger's keeps coming up as someone in Compher's ear calling for Ruff to be fired. She is also the subject of a letter sent to the BOT, Ruff, Macy, Lebo and Ballard. There are a lot stories about her I'm hearing that match NIU fan's stories from a few years ago.

The more I hear the more this stinks of back office politics. Some of this is coming from Platinum Saber level PC members ($125,000 giving level) and former members of the BOT.

I love Yellock, but promoting him to DC would have done nothing to make things any better. Everyone points to UNC and saying everyone wanted Fedora out and now they are great, but he blew out the entire defensive staff and replaced them with massive upgrades and thats the big reason for the change. Ruff wasn't going to make any kind of change he was gonna double down on what wasn't really working. Yellock has been at ECU for Ruff's entire tenure, and the defense in that time has ranged from at best average to the worst in college football. There's no reason to have promoted from within coming off this season. An outside upgrade was needed and the fact that Ruff wasn't winning to do that wasn't a good idea.

UNC has the money to do that, we don't. Before this news we were $850,000 in the red already. In order to do what Fedora did, Ruff needed the budget to do it, which he doesn't have.

I would like to personally thank Houston for the generous $350,000 donation. I will refrain using the term cooged it for one year.

The good news is it looks like South Carolina is going to hire Muschamp, which I doubt we would look at so we are rapidly becoming one of the best openings left with some really good coaches out there. With our tv deal and exposure we should be really attractive to up and comers.

(12-06-2015 12:18 PM)k-vegasbuc Wrote:  The good news is it looks like South Carolina is going to hire Muschamp, which I doubt we would look at so we are rapidly becoming one of the best openings left with some really good coaches out there. With our tv deal and exposure we should be really attractive to up and comers.

No doubt the only coach that's been hired by a P5 school that I'd have really liked a shot at was Babers. Otherwise anyone I would seriously have been excited about is out there. Only job open that's better than us right now is BYU, and they will have a totally different pool of candidates so it's not any real concern. There is no reason ECU shouldn't hire someone with a tremendous resume, whether it's a current HC or coordinator.

(12-06-2015 01:23 AM)PirateTreasureNC Wrote:  Monday is going to be one interesting day....I wonder what the fallout will be by the time 12:01 Am Tuesday hits....

What will happen. Nothing. Those of us that have sat in the stand for the last 36 games know that this team was not moving ahead and change was imminent. The football experts on this and that mess called the BYB have blinders on.

(12-06-2015 12:46 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(12-06-2015 01:23 AM)PirateTreasureNC Wrote:  Monday is going to be one interesting day....I wonder what the fallout will be by the time 12:01 Am Tuesday hits....

What will happen. Nothing. Those of us that have sat in the stand for the last 36 games know that this team was not moving ahead and change was imminent. The football experts on this and that mess called the BYB have blinders on.

The whole thing is stupid. I get that Ruff was a super nice guy, but in the end he wasn't getting it done. We had an abysmal record against winning teams for 6 straight years even when we had Carden and Hardy. Our attendance has declined for the past 3 years. I'm actually glad that our AD has high expectations for this program and I don't think a 5 win season should be acceptable even with injuries in a program's 6th year. By then you should have depth.

I think Compher's just in a tough spot because Holland was so popular that everyone is looking for a reason to hate him. People complained about a stupid minor change to the logo, people complained about him scheduling FCS teams even though the reason for that (which he stated) is so that we can start playing 7 home games.

He's doing what we paid him to do, he's staking his career on this hire. The guy actually has a pretty good track record of hiring football coaches at NIU so lets see what he does. I love ECU but man some of our fans are ridiculous. If so many really cared so much about ECU then go to the darn games so we have a sellout, go to the darn basketball games so we can at least get a measly 8000 fans there.

I definitely think part of ECU's record had a lot to do with the period in history that Ruffin McNeill took over. He took over the program when a full recruiting cycle was almost done. The condition that Holtz left the depth chart was abysmal and he was left filling holes for a new scheme with square pegs. Then, realignment hit, and he was tasked with increasing the size/talent level even more for the move to a tougher conference.

All things considered, I think the record looks pretty good. There was no way ECU was going to win the conference in Carden and Hardy's senior year. Your depth hadn't caught up to the conference yet.

I understand how frustrating it was this year watching Summers try to pass against a stacked box. I'm sure McNeill was frustrated too. However, there was no way he was winning less than 8 games next year with suitable QBs.

Even Briles and Baylor couldn't beat a bad UT team this weekend with ill suited QBs. It's not plug and play.

(12-06-2015 01:10 PM)BigEastHomer Wrote:  I definitely think part of ECU's record had a lot to do with the period in history that Ruffin McNeill took over. He took over the program when a full recruiting cycle was almost done. The condition that Holtz left the depth chart was abysmal and he was left filling holes for a new scheme with square pegs. Then, realignment hit, and he was tasked with increasing the size/talent level even more for the move to a tougher conference.

All things considered, I think the record looks pretty good. There was no way ECU was going to win the conference in Carden and Hardy's senior year. Your depth hadn't caught up to the conference yet.

I understand how frustrating it was this year watching Summers try to pass against a stacked box. I'm sure McNeill was frustrated too. However, there was no way he was winning less than 8 games next year with suitable QBs.

Even Briles and Baylor couldn't beat a bad UT team this weekend with ill suited QBs. It's not plug and play.

The first 3 years of his tenure I would agree. However after that it was his team. I hate to disagree but I don't think depth is the issue expect for maybe the QB depth. Last year depth or a new conference didn't cause us to go 8-5. Costly penalties, turnovers, clock management, and struggling defense are what cost us wins. I actually think even with the new conference we had some of the most offensive talent in the conference.

He had a winning record in only 3 of 6 years. Skip Holtz had a bigger rebuilding job after the JT years and he only had 1 losing season, his first. Again I like Ruff but we need to set the bar higher than just mediocre. Is it a risk, absolutely, but in business and life, everything worth having requires taking a risk.