(12-09-2015 09:04 AM)Terry Wrote:  

(12-09-2015 04:38 AM)DetroitRocket Wrote:  

(12-08-2015 10:33 PM)rocketpaul Wrote:  

(12-08-2015 04:27 AM)DetroitRocket Wrote:  

(12-07-2015 11:19 PM)RocketJeff Wrote:  I can't believe people are still butt-hurt about Campbell taking a new job. It was inevitable. And some recruits were bound to follow him. It always happens. And when we hire a new coach, it is expected he will bring some of his recruits. Unfortunately for us, when you stay in-house, that doesn't happen. Hopefully Candle will be successful. If he is, then some P5 school will come along in 3 or 4 years and he will be gone, along with some recruits.

Jeff, follow him is one thing. Actively going after players that were recruited on UT's dime is a different story. Is getting those few kids so important to the Iowa State program that it's worth destroying good will built up at Toledo? Apparently so.

This is always done if you remember Pinkel took almost all of the Recruiting tapes with him which were truly UNIVERSITY PROPERTY. He got Brad smith who would have been a first team all Mac QB. So Jeff is right this always happens you don't have to like it but to act like Campbell is doing something the other guys aren't doing is ludicrous. Beckman did it to if I remember right. Get over it.

Brad Smith was NOT a UT commit. We were recruiting him, but no commitment. Pinkel ended up signing one UT commit, a LB/DE from Michigan. Forget his name.

Smith was never a official verbal but Toledo was his first choice and on the verge of committing when Pinkel left for Mizzou.

I never felt too bad about losing Brad Smith because Bruce Gradkowski was an upgrade in my book.

(12-09-2015 09:11 AM)T-Town Wrote:  

(12-09-2015 09:04 AM)Terry Wrote:  

(12-09-2015 04:38 AM)DetroitRocket Wrote:  

(12-08-2015 10:33 PM)rocketpaul Wrote:  

(12-08-2015 04:27 AM)DetroitRocket Wrote:  Jeff, follow him is one thing. Actively going after players that were recruited on UT's dime is a different story. Is getting those few kids so important to the Iowa State program that it's worth destroying good will built up at Toledo? Apparently so.

This is always done if you remember Pinkel took almost all of the Recruiting tapes with him which were truly UNIVERSITY PROPERTY. He got Brad smith who would have been a first team all Mac QB. So Jeff is right this always happens you don't have to like it but to act like Campbell is doing something the other guys aren't doing is ludicrous. Beckman did it to if I remember right. Get over it.

Brad Smith was NOT a UT commit. We were recruiting him, but no commitment. Pinkel ended up signing one UT commit, a LB/DE from Michigan. Forget his name.

Smith was never a official verbal but Toledo was his first choice and on the verge of committing when Pinkel left for Mizzou.

I never felt too bad about losing Brad Smith because Bruce Gradkowski was an upgrade in my book.

But imagine Bruce throwing to Smith.

(12-08-2015 10:33 PM)rocketpaul Wrote:  

(12-08-2015 04:27 AM)DetroitRocket Wrote:  

(12-07-2015 11:19 PM)RocketJeff Wrote:  I can't believe people are still butt-hurt about Campbell taking a new job. It was inevitable. And some recruits were bound to follow him. It always happens. And when we hire a new coach, it is expected he will bring some of his recruits. Unfortunately for us, when you stay in-house, that doesn't happen. Hopefully Candle will be successful. If he is, then some P5 school will come along in 3 or 4 years and he will be gone, along with some recruits.

Jeff, follow him is one thing. Actively going after players that were recruited on UT's dime is a different story. Is getting those few kids so important to the Iowa State program that it's worth destroying good will built up at Toledo? Apparently so.

This is always done if you remember Pinkel took almost all of the Recruiting tapes with him which were truly UNIVERSITY PROPERTY. He got Brad smith who would have been a first team all Mac QB. So Jeff is right this always happens you don't have to like it but to act like Campbell is doing something the other guys aren't doing is ludicrous. Beckman did it to if I remember right. Get over it.

You guys are missing the point. We are saying screw him, he couldn't get a team ready for either of the 2 important MAC games played on our field - so we sit home while BG gets another MACC title - even though they would have been run off the field in another rematch with us. I still hope he goes 0-12. Why the hell would I want him to do well? He screwed us over, so he can pi$$ off.

(12-09-2015 11:29 PM)MotoRocket Wrote:  You guys are missing the point. We are saying screw him, he couldn't get a team ready for either of the 2 important MAC games played on our field - so we sit home while BG gets another MACC title - even though they would have been run off the field in another rematch with us. I still hope he goes 0-12. Why the hell would I want him to do well? He screwed us over, so he can pi$$ off.

Exactly -- focus on and finish the job that he was being paid to do by the University of Toledo. Toledo had a chance to go undefeated, or be a one-loss team, opportunity to win the MAC and potentially play a New Year's Day bowl. That opportunity doesn't present itself very often. I place the November collapse squarely on his shoulders. 0-12 in his first season at ISU would be just fine... karma.

Two points. MC isn't going to win in the B12 with MAC recruits. ISU fans should be worried. Secondly, if you need to blame someone for the WMU loss, look no further than two bone head plays by a WR.

(12-10-2015 08:05 AM)rockytop Wrote:  Two points. MC isn't going to win in the B12 with MAC recruits. ISU fans should be worried. Secondly, if you need to blame someone for the WMU loss, look no further than two bone head plays by a WR.

No doubt those two plays hurt something awful, but everyone in the place could tell something else was going on with our guys from before the opening kickoff. I have never seen a team play with less emotion than we did that day. That was on the coaches.

(12-10-2015 08:25 AM)UTLAW Wrote:  

(12-10-2015 08:05 AM)rockytop Wrote:  Two points. MC isn't going to win in the B12 with MAC recruits. ISU fans should be worried. Secondly, if you need to blame someone for the WMU loss, look no further than two bone head plays by a WR.

No doubt those two plays hurt something awful, but everyone in the place could tell something else was going on with our guys from before the opening kickoff. I have never seen a team play with less emotion than we did that day. That was on the coaches.

I agree. In my opinion, as our team came onto the field and went through last minute prep before kickoff, our team looked nothing like a team that was fired up to play for a spot in the MACC game. If they didn't know anything was up regarding Campbell, then to me it was a sign that the staff may not have prepared the team emotionally (there's a difference between being focused & being too tightly wound) as well as I would have liked. Either case would have been a problem.

We have an opportunity shortly to see if that can be corrected. I'm not saying we need to win the bowl game for it to be a step in the proper direction--Temple will be very tough (this isn't the Temple that was in the MAC)...but I do hope to see a more focused Rocket team that plays something closer to a full, 4 quarter game than we have most games this season.

(12-03-2015 03:45 PM)Terry Wrote:  One of the guys that decommitted was DB Jatairis Grant from Akron Garfield. He is visiting Campbell in Iowa this weekend according to Rivals.

He lists both Toledo and Iowa State as High. The only two schools he's interested in.....

The first duel of old pals: Candle vs. Campbell
.
Let's see how this shakes out........

Grant committed to ISU.

(12-10-2015 10:22 AM)FrickerRon Wrote:  

(12-03-2015 03:45 PM)Terry Wrote:  One of the guys that decommitted was DB Jatairis Grant from Akron Garfield. He is visiting Campbell in Iowa this weekend according to Rivals.

He lists both Toledo and Iowa State as High. The only two schools he's interested in.....

The first duel of old pals: Candle vs. Campbell
.
Let's see how this shakes out........

Grant committed to ISU.

I saw that....
Now the fight is over the other 9 or 10 guys that are committed to Toledo that ISU offered after the move.

(12-10-2015 08:25 AM)UTLAW Wrote:  

(12-10-2015 08:05 AM)rockytop Wrote:  Two points. MC isn't going to win in the B12 with MAC recruits. ISU fans should be worried. Secondly, if you need to blame someone for the WMU loss, look no further than two bone head plays by a WR.

No doubt those two plays hurt something awful, but everyone in the place could tell something else was going on with our guys from before the opening kickoff. I have never seen a team play with less emotion than we did that day. That was on the coaches.

Does that include our current head coach?

WHy is anyone thinking there is anything but pretend competition for recruits? Candle's future is tied to Campbell's, it's in both their best interests that ISU improves and gets the best recruits possible whereas what happens in Toledo has no effect on Campbell and little on Candle. Scenario time. If Toledo totally craps the field under Candle, he still has a job with Campbell, presuming Campbell continues to move up. If a kid has good academics and Campbell wants him, any "fight" for that recruit is pretense.

(12-10-2015 11:40 AM)eastisbest Wrote:  WHy is anyone thinking there is anything but pretend competition for recruits? Candle's future is tied to Campbell's, it's in both their best interests that ISU improves and gets the best recruits possible whereas what happens in Toledo has no effect on Campbell and little on Candle. Scenario time. If Toledo totally craps the field under Candle, he still has a job with Campbell, presuming Campbell continues to move up. If a kid has good academics and Campbell wants him, any "fight" for that recruit is pretense.

What???? There are plenty of kids in Ohio and Michigan who would rather play in front of their parents on a winning team, than go to Iowa for a team that has essentially no chance of ever winning a conference title or anything else, for that matter.

(12-10-2015 11:40 AM)eastisbest Wrote:  WHy is anyone thinking there is anything but pretend competition for recruits? Candle's future is tied to Campbell's, it's in both their best interests that ISU improves and gets the best recruits possible whereas what happens in Toledo has no effect on Campbell and little on Candle. Scenario time. If Toledo totally craps the field under Candle, he still has a job with Campbell, presuming Campbell continues to move up. If a kid has good academics and Campbell wants him, any "fight" for that recruit is pretense.

LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL. Are you saying that Candle isn't trying, because he is just waiting for his chance to move to ISU? Why in the hell would he not just have jumped to ISU as an OC????

1) I'm sure a lot of kids would jump at the chance to play against Big Twelve Opponents every week.
2) I doubt Candle would want to tank at Toledo and blow any future head coaching opportunities.

(12-10-2015 08:05 AM)rockytop Wrote:  Two points. MC isn't going to win in the B12 with MAC recruits. ISU fans should be worried. Secondly, if you need to blame someone for the WMU loss, look no further than two bone head plays by a WR.

+1 mu guess those 2 plays were at lease 16 point difference Game.

(12-10-2015 07:27 PM)rocketpaul Wrote:  

(12-10-2015 08:05 AM)rockytop Wrote:  Two points. MC isn't going to win in the B12 with MAC recruits. ISU fans should be worried. Secondly, if you need to blame someone for the WMU loss, look no further than two bone head plays by a WR.

+1 mu guess those 2 plays were at lease 16 point difference Game.

I guess you could blame one player for the loss, but that doesn't mean we didn't play like crap too.

(12-10-2015 07:38 PM)DetroitRocket Wrote:  

(12-10-2015 07:27 PM)rocketpaul Wrote:  

(12-10-2015 08:05 AM)rockytop Wrote:  Two points. MC isn't going to win in the B12 with MAC recruits. ISU fans should be worried. Secondly, if you need to blame someone for the WMU loss, look no further than two bone head plays by a WR.

+1 mu guess those 2 plays were at lease 16 point difference Game.

I guess you could blame one player for the loss, but that doesn't mean we didn't play like crap too.

If he falls on that first punt or stays away from it and we score a touchdown they don't score a touchdown before halftime maybe then we don't look like crap the second half. That play was as big a momentum shifter as I have ever seen.

(12-10-2015 12:37 PM)DetroitRocket Wrote:  

(12-10-2015 11:40 AM)eastisbest Wrote:  WHy is anyone thinking there is anything but pretend competition for recruits? Candle's future is tied to Campbell's, it's in both their best interests that ISU improves and gets the best recruits possible whereas what happens in Toledo has no effect on Campbell and little on Candle. Scenario time. If Toledo totally craps the field under Candle, he still has a job with Campbell, presuming Campbell continues to move up. If a kid has good academics and Campbell wants him, any "fight" for that recruit is pretense.

What???? There are plenty of kids in Ohio and Michigan who would rather play in front of their parents on a winning team, than go to Iowa for a team that has essentially no chance of ever winning a conference title or anything else, for that matter.

Sure but how many of them are original Toledo Campbell/Candle recruits, which is the topic of conversation? If Campbell offers, they'll go to ISU.

(12-10-2015 06:06 PM)MidnightBlueGold Wrote:  

(12-10-2015 11:40 AM)eastisbest Wrote:  WHy is anyone thinking there is anything but pretend competition for recruits? Candle's future is tied to Campbell's, it's in both their best interests that ISU improves and gets the best recruits possible whereas what happens in Toledo has no effect on Campbell and little on Candle. Scenario time. If Toledo totally craps the field under Candle, he still has a job with Campbell, presuming Campbell continues to move up. If a kid has good academics and Campbell wants him, any "fight" for that recruit is pretense.

LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL. Are you saying that Candle isn't trying, because he is just waiting for his chance to move to ISU? Why in the hell would he not just have jumped to ISU as an OC????

1) LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLO. He will make a hell of a lot more money as head coach here, win or lose: missing the obvious answer.

2) Even lose he's still Campbell's bestis buddy and will have a job waiting at ISU or at Campbell's next stop and if you don't buy that you must be a you.

(12-10-2015 10:52 PM)rocketpaul Wrote:  

(12-10-2015 07:38 PM)DetroitRocket Wrote:  

(12-10-2015 07:27 PM)rocketpaul Wrote:  

(12-10-2015 08:05 AM)rockytop Wrote:  Two points. MC isn't going to win in the B12 with MAC recruits. ISU fans should be worried. Secondly, if you need to blame someone for the WMU loss, look no further than two bone head plays by a WR.

+1 mu guess those 2 plays were at lease 16 point difference Game.

I guess you could blame one player for the loss, but that doesn't mean we didn't play like crap too.

If he falls on that first punt or stays away from it and we score a touchdown they don't score a touchdown before halftime maybe then we don't look like crap the second half. That play was as big a momentum shifter as I have ever seen.

You saw momentum in that game, coming from OUR side? Would that have been the first drive or the second? Oh you must mean on defense. Would that have been WMU's first drive or second?


Do you blame those drives on the mistake made later on in the game, some sort of time travel scenario or was the mistake indicative of an unprepared player and team that was shown from the beginning of the game?


The team was a no-show for that game. If the team and the calls were even anywhere close to capabilities, the score wouldn't have been close enough for those mistakes to even matter and who the heck put him on punt team anyhow?