(12-07-2015 05:51 PM)Rocket75 Wrote:  Babers has stated he will not go after BGSU recruits. Meanwhile, Campbell is doing all he can to go after Toledo recruits. It is obvious who has class and who looks out only for himself. I know of no current player who is leaving the program to play for Campbell. That tells you how little respect they now have for that guy.

It is not nearly as common for FB players to transfer when a coach leaves. It is pretty common ins basketball. To say the players have no respect for a coach because they don't transfer to his new school is ignorant.

Also, it has barely been 1 week since he left.

(12-07-2015 05:56 PM)MidnightBlueGold Wrote:  

(12-07-2015 05:51 PM)Rocket75 Wrote:  Babers has stated he will not go after BGSU recruits. Meanwhile, Campbell is doing all he can to go after Toledo recruits. It is obvious who has class and who looks out only for himself. I know of no current player who is leaving the program to play for Campbell. That tells you how little respect they now have for that guy.

It is not nearly as common for FB players to transfer when a coach leaves. It is pretty common ins basketball. To say the players have no respect for a coach because they don't transfer to his new school is ignorant.

Also, it has barely been 1 week since he left.

Also, if a player already has red shirted, then the player transfering must sit out another year (which the player loses). so if you red shirt, play a year, then transfer to another FBS school. sit a year, then start playing for the new school.

The player can only play 3 years out of a possible 5 years. It kind of deters transfers.......

Note: a medical red shirt is a whole different animal, as in the case of Ely.
Note 2: I hope I didn't confuse anybody.......

and no one is going to announce leaving before the free trip to Florida.

(12-07-2015 06:16 PM)Terry Wrote:  

(12-07-2015 05:56 PM)MidnightBlueGold Wrote:  

(12-07-2015 05:51 PM)Rocket75 Wrote:  Babers has stated he will not go after BGSU recruits. Meanwhile, Campbell is doing all he can to go after Toledo recruits. It is obvious who has class and who looks out only for himself. I know of no current player who is leaving the program to play for Campbell. That tells you how little respect they now have for that guy.

It is not nearly as common for FB players to transfer when a coach leaves. It is pretty common ins basketball. To say the players have no respect for a coach because they don't transfer to his new school is ignorant.

Also, it has barely been 1 week since he left.

Also, if a player already has red shirted, then the player transfering must sit out another year (which the player loses). so if you red shirt, play a year, then transfer to another FBS school. sit a year, then start playing for the new school.

The player can only play 3 years out of a possible 5 years. It kind of deters transfers.......

Note: a medical red shirt is a whole different animal, as in the case of Ely.
Note 2: I hope I didn't confuse anybody.......

Correct me if I'm wrong. If you redshirt as a freshman. And transfer at the end of that year. You can play as a sophomore. I mean that first year at your new school????

(12-07-2015 05:51 PM)Rocket75 Wrote:  Babers has stated he will not go after BGSU recruits. Meanwhile, Campbell is doing all he can to go after Toledo recruits. It is obvious who has class and who looks out only for himself. I know of no current player who is leaving the program to play for Campbell. That tells you how little respect they now have for that guy.

Babers may have stated that but that doesn't mean he isn't an ass. He was head coach at BGUUCKS of course he is an ass. The fact is the guys going with Campbell wanted to play for him no matter where he went. It is unlikely they would have stayed committed once he left here whether they are going to Iowa at or Buckeye Boys state. So it is best they go now when it will be easier to fill their spot. We want guys who want to play here.

(12-06-2015 01:31 PM)MotoRocket Wrote:  I'm not sure why he was regarded as being a good coach. Might have been a good OC, but was not a good head coach based on the results. we had better talent than just about anyone in the MAC if you go up and down the line-ups. But he could not win a MACC with that talent. We looked inept in the 2 important games of the year on our own field. Once is forgivable, 2 is incompetence for not having a team ready to go.

He has no allegiance to Toledo at all. Pittsburgh to Mt. Union (apparently the center of the football universe) then to BG and other places. Toledo was just a means to an end and he is done with Toledo. I am done with him and I hope he experiences a couple of 0-12 and 2-10 seasons. It's just a business and that's how I see him running a business with against competitors with better talent and better coaching.

For some of us it is...hahaha. Whitewater vs Mount Union in Alliance this weekend. 21st straight semi-final appearance for Mount. #process

(12-07-2015 08:33 PM)Babes boy Wrote:  

(12-07-2015 06:16 PM)Terry Wrote:  

(12-07-2015 05:56 PM)MidnightBlueGold Wrote:  

(12-07-2015 05:51 PM)Rocket75 Wrote:  Babers has stated he will not go after BGSU recruits. Meanwhile, Campbell is doing all he can to go after Toledo recruits. It is obvious who has class and who looks out only for himself. I know of no current player who is leaving the program to play for Campbell. That tells you how little respect they now have for that guy.

It is not nearly as common for FB players to transfer when a coach leaves. It is pretty common ins basketball. To say the players have no respect for a coach because they don't transfer to his new school is ignorant.

Also, it has barely been 1 week since he left.

Also, if a player already has red shirted, then the player transfering must sit out another year (which the player loses). so if you red shirt, play a year, then transfer to another FBS school. sit a year, then start playing for the new school.

The player can only play 3 years out of a possible 5 years. It kind of deters transfers.......

Note: a medical red shirt is a whole different animal, as in the case of Ely.
Note 2: I hope I didn't confuse anybody.......

Correct me if I'm wrong. If you redshirt as a freshman. And transfer at the end of that year. You can play as a sophomore. I mean that first year at your new school????

You have to sit out one year from the time you transfer. But to answer your question, you are correct. The player would be able to play as a sophomore......a 3rd year sophomore. He redshirts his first year on campus as a true freshman. At the end of that year he transfers out. He then sits out the next year at the new school as a redshirted freshman. Then the following year he is eligible to play. It's his 3rd year, but in terms of eligibility he is considered a sophomore....a 3rd year sophomore.

I can't believe people are still butt-hurt about Campbell taking a new job. It was inevitable. And some recruits were bound to follow him. It always happens. And when we hire a new coach, it is expected he will bring some of his recruits. Unfortunately for us, when you stay in-house, that doesn't happen. Hopefully Candle will be successful. If he is, then some P5 school will come along in 3 or 4 years and he will be gone, along with some recruits.

Turns out Babers may not be above poaching recruits. Apparently he committed to not seeking any BG recruits unless they de committed. Practically inviting players to deco mitt so he can pursue them.

(12-07-2015 11:19 PM)RocketJeff Wrote:  I can't believe people are still butt-hurt about Campbell taking a new job. It was inevitable. And some recruits were bound to follow him. It always happens. And when we hire a new coach, it is expected he will bring some of his recruits. Unfortunately for us, when you stay in-house, that doesn't happen. Hopefully Candle will be successful. If he is, then some P5 school will come along in 3 or 4 years and he will be gone, along with some recruits.

Jeff, follow him is one thing. Actively going after players that were recruited on UT's dime is a different story. Is getting those few kids so important to the Iowa State program that it's worth destroying good will built up at Toledo? Apparently so.

(12-08-2015 04:27 AM)DetroitRocket Wrote:  

(12-07-2015 11:19 PM)RocketJeff Wrote:  I can't believe people are still butt-hurt about Campbell taking a new job. It was inevitable. And some recruits were bound to follow him. It always happens. And when we hire a new coach, it is expected he will bring some of his recruits. Unfortunately for us, when you stay in-house, that doesn't happen. Hopefully Candle will be successful. If he is, then some P5 school will come along in 3 or 4 years and he will be gone, along with some recruits.

Jeff, follow him is one thing. Actively going after players that were recruited on UT's dime is a different story. Is getting those few kids so important to the Iowa State program that it's worth destroying good will built up at Toledo? Apparently so.

Wishing Campbell a 0-12 2016 campaign at ISU. Didn't have the Rockets ready for NIU and WMU. Proved to be nothing more than a money-grabbing snake in the grass, culminating in a shameless grab for Toledo recruits. No love loss from me.

(12-08-2015 05:22 AM)RangerRocket Wrote:  

(12-08-2015 04:27 AM)DetroitRocket Wrote:  

(12-07-2015 11:19 PM)RocketJeff Wrote:  I can't believe people are still butt-hurt about Campbell taking a new job. It was inevitable. And some recruits were bound to follow him. It always happens. And when we hire a new coach, it is expected he will bring some of his recruits. Unfortunately for us, when you stay in-house, that doesn't happen. Hopefully Candle will be successful. If he is, then some P5 school will come along in 3 or 4 years and he will be gone, along with some recruits.

Jeff, follow him is one thing. Actively going after players that were recruited on UT's dime is a different story. Is getting those few kids so important to the Iowa State program that it's worth destroying good will built up at Toledo? Apparently so.

Wishing Campbell a 0-12 2016 campaign at ISU. Didn't have the Rockets ready for NIU and WMU. Proved to be nothing more than a money-grabbing snake in the grass, culminating in a shameless grab for Toledo recruits. No love loss from me.

I've no problem with "money grubbing," changing jobs..., nature of the business and who hasn't done both?

Some things are not adding up high road though.

There was no communication between UT Coach and ISU.
AD is in Toledo day of WMU game. Just happens to show up at the door, without invite or communication?

Thinking through the scenario(that should have happened) that gets worse every time the ISU AD opens up his mouth, I can't make goodwill out of the timing.

UT accidently wins against WMU. ISU AD then does what? ISU AD would probably want us to know that he just slunk out of town without telling anyone he was here but then what? ISU waits until after the MACC, Campbell all the time oblivious?

Doesn't add up. This appears a done deal BEFORE the WMU game if not also the NIU and horsey pants ISU AD can't stop his salivating long enough to be a professional and hang back a week? HIS team wasn't going anywhere. There was no rush. OUR team needed its coaches focused on those games preparing students for the biggest tests of their college football careers, not preparing families and friends for move decisions.

ISU not showing much if they're retaining this guy, my opinion.

I know we have some lawyers on here. Clearly the University couldn't put a standard non-compete in the contract, but I would think it could put in a version of a non-compete similar to "won't actively pursue commitments from recruits committed to the University." We have a buyout, why not some version of a non-compete?

(12-07-2015 10:43 PM)BrianNowicki Wrote:  

(12-07-2015 08:33 PM)Babes boy Wrote:  

(12-07-2015 06:16 PM)Terry Wrote:  

(12-07-2015 05:56 PM)MidnightBlueGold Wrote:  

(12-07-2015 05:51 PM)Rocket75 Wrote:  Babers has stated he will not go after BGSU recruits. Meanwhile, Campbell is doing all he can to go after Toledo recruits. It is obvious who has class and who looks out only for himself. I know of no current player who is leaving the program to play for Campbell. That tells you how little respect they now have for that guy.

It is not nearly as common for FB players to transfer when a coach leaves. It is pretty common ins basketball. To say the players have no respect for a coach because they don't transfer to his new school is ignorant.

Also, it has barely been 1 week since he left.

Also, if a player already has red shirted, then the player transfering must sit out another year (which the player loses). so if you red shirt, play a year, then transfer to another FBS school. sit a year, then start playing for the new school.

The player can only play 3 years out of a possible 5 years. It kind of deters transfers.......

Note: a medical red shirt is a whole different animal, as in the case of Ely.
Note 2: I hope I didn't confuse anybody.......

Correct me if I'm wrong. If you redshirt as a freshman. And transfer at the end of that year. You can play as a sophomore. I mean that first year at your new school????

You have to sit out one year from the time you transfer. But to answer your question, you are correct. The player would be able to play as a sophomore......a 3rd year sophomore. He redshirts his first year on campus as a true freshman. At the end of that year he transfers out. He then sits out the next year at the new school as a redshirted freshman. Then the following year he is eligible to play. It's his 3rd year, but in terms of eligibility he is considered a sophomore....a 3rd year sophomore.

Correct!!!!!!

Sits out first 2 years of college and plays in games his last 3 years.

(12-08-2015 05:22 AM)RangerRocket Wrote:  Wishing Campbell a 0-12 2016 campaign at ISU. Didn't have the Rockets ready for NIU and WMU. Proved to be nothing more than a money-grabbing snake in the grass, culminating in a shameless grab for Toledo recruits. No love loss from me.

Agree 100%. Despite what he says, he couldn't care less about the city of Toledo. He was looking forward to his next destination the day that he stepped foot on campus as the head coach.

(12-08-2015 09:56 PM)MiamiRocket Wrote:  

(12-08-2015 05:22 AM)RangerRocket Wrote:  Wishing Campbell a 0-12 2016 campaign at ISU. Didn't have the Rockets ready for NIU and WMU. Proved to be nothing more than a money-grabbing snake in the grass, culminating in a shameless grab for Toledo recruits. No love loss from me.

Agree 100%. Despite what he says, he couldn't care less about the city of Toledo. He was looking forward to his next destination the day that he stepped foot on campus as the head coach.

Wait, I thought he was looking forward to his next destination back in high school? Since that's what you base your thoughts on him on...

(12-08-2015 04:27 AM)DetroitRocket Wrote:  

(12-07-2015 11:19 PM)RocketJeff Wrote:  I can't believe people are still butt-hurt about Campbell taking a new job. It was inevitable. And some recruits were bound to follow him. It always happens. And when we hire a new coach, it is expected he will bring some of his recruits. Unfortunately for us, when you stay in-house, that doesn't happen. Hopefully Candle will be successful. If he is, then some P5 school will come along in 3 or 4 years and he will be gone, along with some recruits.

Jeff, follow him is one thing. Actively going after players that were recruited on UT's dime is a different story. Is getting those few kids so important to the Iowa State program that it's worth destroying good will built up at Toledo? Apparently so.

This is always done if you remember Pinkel took almost all of the Recruiting tapes with him which were truly UNIVERSITY PROPERTY. He got Brad smith who would have been a first team all Mac QB. So Jeff is right this always happens you don't have to like it but to act like Campbell is doing something the other guys aren't doing is ludicrous. Beckman did it to if I remember right. Get over it.

(12-08-2015 09:58 PM)MidnightBlueGold Wrote:  

(12-08-2015 09:56 PM)MiamiRocket Wrote:  

(12-08-2015 05:22 AM)RangerRocket Wrote:  Wishing Campbell a 0-12 2016 campaign at ISU. Didn't have the Rockets ready for NIU and WMU. Proved to be nothing more than a money-grabbing snake in the grass, culminating in a shameless grab for Toledo recruits. No love loss from me.

Agree 100%. Despite what he says, he couldn't care less about the city of Toledo. He was looking forward to his next destination the day that he stepped foot on campus as the head coach.

Wait, I thought he was looking forward to his next destination back in high school? Since that's what you base your thoughts on him on...

You're a Campbell fanboy. I'm not.

(12-08-2015 10:33 PM)rocketpaul Wrote:  

(12-08-2015 04:27 AM)DetroitRocket Wrote:  

(12-07-2015 11:19 PM)RocketJeff Wrote:  I can't believe people are still butt-hurt about Campbell taking a new job. It was inevitable. And some recruits were bound to follow him. It always happens. And when we hire a new coach, it is expected he will bring some of his recruits. Unfortunately for us, when you stay in-house, that doesn't happen. Hopefully Candle will be successful. If he is, then some P5 school will come along in 3 or 4 years and he will be gone, along with some recruits.

Jeff, follow him is one thing. Actively going after players that were recruited on UT's dime is a different story. Is getting those few kids so important to the Iowa State program that it's worth destroying good will built up at Toledo? Apparently so.

This is always done if you remember Pinkel took almost all of the Recruiting tapes with him which were truly UNIVERSITY PROPERTY. He got Brad smith who would have been a first team all Mac QB. So Jeff is right this always happens you don't have to like it but to act like Campbell is doing something the other guys aren't doing is ludicrous. Beckman did it to if I remember right. Get over it.

Brad Smith was NOT a UT commit. We were recruiting him, but no commitment. Pinkel ended up signing one UT commit, a LB/DE from Michigan. Forget his name.

(12-09-2015 04:38 AM)DetroitRocket Wrote:  

(12-08-2015 10:33 PM)rocketpaul Wrote:  

(12-08-2015 04:27 AM)DetroitRocket Wrote:  

(12-07-2015 11:19 PM)RocketJeff Wrote:  I can't believe people are still butt-hurt about Campbell taking a new job. It was inevitable. And some recruits were bound to follow him. It always happens. And when we hire a new coach, it is expected he will bring some of his recruits. Unfortunately for us, when you stay in-house, that doesn't happen. Hopefully Candle will be successful. If he is, then some P5 school will come along in 3 or 4 years and he will be gone, along with some recruits.

Jeff, follow him is one thing. Actively going after players that were recruited on UT's dime is a different story. Is getting those few kids so important to the Iowa State program that it's worth destroying good will built up at Toledo? Apparently so.

This is always done if you remember Pinkel took almost all of the Recruiting tapes with him which were truly UNIVERSITY PROPERTY. He got Brad smith who would have been a first team all Mac QB. So Jeff is right this always happens you don't have to like it but to act like Campbell is doing something the other guys aren't doing is ludicrous. Beckman did it to if I remember right. Get over it.

Brad Smith was NOT a UT commit. We were recruiting him, but no commitment. Pinkel ended up signing one UT commit, a LB/DE from Michigan. Forget his name.

Smith was never a official verbal but Toledo was his first choice and on the verge of committing when Pinkel left for Mizzou.