(11-30-2015 03:18 PM)cr11owl Wrote:  

(11-30-2015 02:55 PM)Antarius Wrote:  We want to spend D1 money on being a D3 team. Absolutely baffling.

Compare the $$$ we spend to the teams he says we won't compete with. You still think we spend D1 money?

**** or get off the pot.

I'm fine with either. Not okay with this half assed one foot in one foot out thing we do where we spend half a damn fortune on nothing. Go on or get out. Right now we are content with finding excuses as to why what we do is acceptable. That article was full of excuses.

(11-29-2015 06:58 PM)ETx Owl Wrote:  I get your hate for Bailiff Saints Owl, but you take one of the few feel good stories we had and turn it into your 99th tirade on Baliff. Did you get cut from your 7th grade team or what?

Hate is a strong word so I don't hate him but I do dislike him. I think he's a populist coach who will say or do whatever to be liked. Those people to me are fake. I find him a below average coach that has kept his job due to "the good guy" reputation. I do hate when populist leaders use people for their benefit. In my opinion, he will use this situation to his benefit. I wonder why Luke Turner was not used prior to the last game. I watched the game and it was obvious that Luke was made the "key" focus of the offensive game. First thing that came to mind was Luke will now be at the press conference. Sure enough. You know what great for Luke, great young man. My point of view is that Bailiff will use that to his benefit. That's my opinion of populist leaders. Perhaps I'm wrong but that's my opinion and we need to respect each others opinions. I think he should be fired but respect those that think he should remain as our coach yet the facts demonstrate that the team is heading in the wrong direction. The games I have attended have been losses by blowouts. The comments I heard from folks support my views but here's the positive news, my views are not going to affect JK decision. So for now let's be glad the season is over and we can wait for next season emotional video. We will need it after another losing season. Just my opinion.

Matters not to me whether he goes or stays. That is coaching. Bailiff knows what the score is. But you still sound like a jerk with your posts. You always have. Save the so called qualifier above for someone who thinks you are intelligent.

Been out of pocket pretty much since the FB game but two things.

First, since I took the photo from the Stadium Club I will add that this was the 1st game I have ever watched from there in all of my years going to Rice games. In fact even in the lousiest weather I prefer to sit in my seat, not in another that is somewhat sheltered by the overhang, or stand under the concourse. I was one of the few completely in the elements during the Army game. I do this because I want the players to know how I feel about Rice football and that I am there to support the team. This isn't an indictment against others who choose to stay out of the elements, or to be at least out of the worst parts of the weather, because they too are at the game for the same reasons I am there. But quite frankly this season and what appears to be the direction of the program has just worn me down and I chose to stay inside and comfortable. I often post photos at the games for those who aren't in Houston and this was just one of those. Sorry that it has led to the turf war going on.

Second, as far as the John Royal Houston Press article, I really like his reporting. He is a UH alum but he has always been fair and supportive towards Rice and critical towards UH when he felt the situations called for that. He has suffered from attacks by UH fans for some of his "crowd" photos at UH over the years as well as other negative things he has written about their program. By and large I think he does a good job looking at Houston (citywide) sports objectively. Regarding his post on the Bob video my comment to Royal was that if I extend his logic then Army, Navy, and AFA should never make coaching changes when their teams fail to win or the programs seem to be going in the wrong direction. After all everything that has been said about the Bob video and his feelings apply to the service academies in large part as well. And of course none of this is meant to diminish what Bob said or how he feels....he like so many of our players represent what is good about Rice athletics.

Wow, thanks for posting that. Good on him and good on Bailiff.

(11-30-2015 03:42 PM)SaintsOwl Wrote:  I wonder why Luke Turner was not used prior to the last game. I watched the game and it was obvious that Luke was made the "key" focus of the offensive game.

Have you been watching the last four years?

http://www.riceowls.com/sports/m-footbl/...04422.html

Turner's 17 rushes vs. Charlotte were more than he had in the previous 11 games this season.

(11-30-2015 03:42 PM)SaintsOwl Wrote:  

(11-29-2015 06:58 PM)ETx Owl Wrote:  I get your hate for Bailiff Saints Owl, but you take one of the few feel good stories we had and turn it into your 99th tirade on Baliff. Did you get cut from your 7th grade team or what?

Hate is a strong word so I don't hate him but I do dislike him. I think he's a populist coach who will say or do whatever to be liked. Those people to me are fake. I find him a below average coach that has kept his job due to "the good guy" reputation. I do hate when populist leaders use people for their benefit. In my opinion, he will use this situation to his benefit. I wonder why Luke Turner was not used prior to the last game. I watched the game and it was obvious that Luke was made the "key" focus of the offensive game. First thing that came to mind was Luke will now be at the press conference. Sure enough. You know what great for Luke, great young man. My point of view is that Bailiff will use that to his benefit. That's my opinion of populist leaders. Perhaps I'm wrong but that's my opinion and we need to respect each others opinions. I think he should be fired but respect those that think he should remain as our coach yet the facts demonstrate that the team is heading in the wrong direction. The games I have attended have been losses by blowouts. The comments I heard from folks support my views but here's the positive news, my views are not going to affect JK decision. So for now let's be glad the season is over and we can wait for next season emotional video. We will need it after another losing season. Just my opinion.

Turner was the so much the planned focus of the game for the master manipulator that Bailiff is that Turner had 1 run and 3 pass targets (1 completed) in the entire first half. Bailiff clearly had it in for making sure Turner was the hero. </sarcasm>

Yes, he got more carries in the Wild Owl. Treating your seniors to some plays in the final regular season game - one you're controlling (finally - that was an awfully frustrating first half) - is not unheard of. And when given another chance to supposedly highlight Turner in a goal line situation at the beginning of the fourth quarter, it was DJ who actually finished the drive.

Bailiff may be disingenuous at times (at least to you), but him planning from the beginning to make "Bob" the focus is just laughable. Especially when most fans here (including me) don't consider him or the staff great "chess players" (i.e., able to anticipate several moves ahead).

BTW, the real reason I'm here to point out that the speech was highlighted in another national website - SI.com, on Andy Staples's weekend review column (see #10 about 3/4ths of the way down): http://www.campusrush.com/mark-richt-les...43135.html

2015 football headline comparisons:

UH: Former Rice assistant and new UH coach takes local under-performing UH team to AAC conference championship game with 1-loss record and possible Access Bowl if he wins AAC champ in his very first season and receives multi-million dollar payday from school as he is now a hot commodity in college football coaching circles and school wants to try to sustain its newfound success.

Rice: At the tail-end of a most disappointing season in a mostly empty-appearing home stadium featuring 4 wins against an FCS bottom-feeder team and 3 of the very worst teams in G5 FBS, a Rice player cries at post-game presser after beating win-less-in-CUSA team that was FCS only last year and hugs his coach thereby distracting attention that said coach still has a losing overall record after 9 seasons, has an even tougher schedule in next upcoming season and repeatedly admits he has to do a better job and go back and figure out how to coach.

Some perspective and similar sentiment on Mark Richt's tenure at Georgia:

http://www.ugafootballlive.com/news/devo...ht-firing/

While I have been quick as any to express frustration at Bailiff's game management and team preparation, he truly does a great job molding these young men to prepare them for life after football. Let's face it, most of our Owls won't be playing on Sunday and our society needs more David Bailiff's and Mark Richt's to tech young men how to be men. That might not put points on the board or butts in seats but it is a huge factor in what David Bailiff means to this athletic department and university.

I think that video--and its going viral--may very well save Bailiff's job. I'm not saying that's right or wrong, or if I even have a preference. I am saying, however, that not many things associated with Rice football go viral. This video did. And if JK were undecided about Bailiff going into last weekend, this video might tip the scales a bit in DB's favor. Inasmuch as that video went viral, JK would feel pretty sheepish to have that feel good story end with the epilogue: "Coach Bailiff was subsequently fired by Athletic Director Joe Karlgaard for not achieving enough wins in 2015." Again, I'm not saying that's the right result (I personally agree with those who say we have hit our ceiling with Bailiff). But I do think that might be what happens.

I expected JK to fire Bailiff. here it is midnight Monday and it hasn't happened.

Does this mean JK will also become the enemy and his competence, motivations, and sanity questioned, or will he still the guy who hired the basketball coach?

(12-01-2015 12:52 AM)wiessguy Wrote:  Some perspective and similar sentiment on Mark Richt's tenure at Georgia:

http://www.ugafootballlive.com/news/devo...ht-firing/

While I have been quick as any to express frustration at Bailiff's game management and team preparation, he truly does a great job molding these young men to prepare them for life after football. Let's face it, most of our Owls won't be playing on Sunday and our society needs more David Bailiff's and Mark Richt's to tech young men how to be men. That might not put points on the board or butts in seats but it is a huge factor in what David Bailiff means to this athletic department and university.

I agree. And also why I think he would be great at a Division 3 school, where he doesn't get paid 800 grand to be a mentor And wins aren't as important.

I don't think anyone thinks Bailiff is a bad guy. Just that he is and always has been the wrong guy for a program desperately needing someone to drag us towards national respectability and relevance.

(12-01-2015 12:53 AM)Barrett Wrote:  I think that video--and its going viral--may very well save Bailiff's job. I'm not saying that's right or wrong, or if I even have a preference. I am saying, however, that not many things associated with Rice football go viral. This video did. And if JK were undecided about Bailiff going into last weekend, this video might tip the scales a bit in DB's favor. Inasmuch as that video went viral, JK would feel pretty sheepish to have that feel good story end with the epilogue: "Coach Bailiff was subsequently fired by Athletic Director Joe Karlgaard for not achieving enough wins in 2015." Again, I'm not saying that's the right result (I personally agree with those who say we have hit our ceiling with Bailiff). But I do think that might be what happens.

Depends on how it was carried out. It reminds me of this guy who ran into a H2S area to rescue a co-worker who had collapsed. While heroic and feel good, he also failed at his job, part of which was to never enter an H2S area without breathing apparatus no matter what the circumstances. He was terminated on those grounds.

If this does save his job, it sets a dangerous precedent. One that we may never be able to extract ourselves from.

(12-01-2015 12:59 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  I expected JK to fire Bailiff. here it is midnight Monday and it hasn't happened.

Does this mean JK will also become the enemy and his competence, motivations, and sanity questioned, or will he still the guy who hired the basketball coach?

Since I do not believe that there is any possible upside to keeping Bailiff aside from saving some dollars in the short term, I think that JK is making a big mistake, assuming that the mistake is his to make. I will therefore keep it in the back of my mind that JK did not take action when it was painfully clear that he needed to do so.

Bailiff's statement about Northwestern shows me once again that he either is completely out of touch with reality or believes that we will lap up any that he flings our way. It's really quite astonishing.

(12-01-2015 12:59 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  I expected JK to fire Bailiff. here it is midnight Monday and it hasn't happened.

Does this mean JK will also become the enemy and his competence, motivations, and sanity questioned, or will he still be the guy who hired the basketball coach?

The basketball coach who is 14-25 (.359)? The last guy also brought in plenty of promising recruits. ("Fool me once ....")

(12-01-2015 12:07 AM)GoodOwl Wrote:  2015 football headline comparisons:

UH: Former Rice assistant and new UH coach takes local under-performing UH team to AAC conference championship game with 1-loss record and possible Access Bowl if he wins AAC champ in his very first season and receives multi-million dollar payday from school as he is now a hot commodity in college football coaching circles and school wants to try to sustain its newfound success.

Rice: At the tail-end of a most disappointing season in a mostly empty-appearing home stadium featuring 4 wins against an FCS bottom-feeder team and 3 of the very worst teams in G5 FBS, a Rice player cries at post-game presser after beating win-less-in-CUSA team that was FCS only last year and hugs his coach thereby distracting attention that said coach still has a losing overall record after 9 seasons, has an even tougher schedule in next upcoming season and repeatedly admits he has to do a better job and go back and figure out how to coach.

In the Thresher office when I was at Rice, I marveled at the North Korean Pyongyang Times headlines, which were of similar length.

Trying to find some objective perspective I trawled the internet and found out who our peers are...

"Michigan State (10-1) moved up to No. 5, while Notre Dame, after a lackluster victory over Boston College, fell out of the top 4 to No. 6. But with a second loss, this team can focus on Northwestern State, SMU, Rice and the Derek Zoolander School For Kids Who Can't Read Good And Want To Do Other Stuff Good Too next year."

http://bsccomment.com/2015/11/29/the-col...rding.html

(12-01-2015 02:14 AM)Wiessman Wrote:  

(12-01-2015 12:59 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  I expected JK to fire Bailiff. here it is midnight Monday and it hasn't happened.

Does this mean JK will also become the enemy and his competence, motivations, and sanity questioned, or will he still the guy who hired the basketball coach?

Since I do not believe that there is any possible upside to keeping Bailiff aside from saving some dollars in the short term, I think that JK is making a big mistake, assuming that the mistake is his to make. I will therefore keep it in the back of my mind that JK did not take action when it was painfully clear that he needed to do so.

Bailiff's statement about Northwestern shows me once again that he is either completely out of touch with reality or believes that we will lap up any that he flings our way. It's really quite astonishing.

What did Bailiff say about Northwestern? I thought that was a comment by the NW coach and somebody here said Bailiff could have said the same thing.

My question co9uld have been stated better. Whenever I have asked this board what the plan would be after DB was fired, the answer has always been that we can rely on JK to find the guy we need because just look at his basketball hire.

Does the lack of a firing here undermine JK or put him in the camp of the Bailiff defenders? Or is he still somebody we are glad to have?