Maybe this is the real perception of the program outside of this board?

http://espn.go.com/blog/ncfnation/post/_...ame-speech

(11-29-2015 01:08 PM)RiceOwl53 Wrote:  Maybe this is the real perception of the program outside of this board?

http://espn.go.com/blog/ncfnation/post/_...ame-speech

Maybe because they have his record wrong?

"The Owls are 70-68 since Bailiff took over". EDIT: Should be 53-60

It's great that the players love their coach, but that doesn't mean the school retains Bailiff solely because of it.

(11-29-2015 01:12 PM)WIowl Wrote:  

(11-29-2015 01:08 PM)RiceOwl53 Wrote:  Maybe this is the real perception of the program outside of this board?

http://espn.go.com/blog/ncfnation/post/_...ame-speech

Maybe because they have his record wrong?

"The Owls are 70-68 since Bailiff took over". EDIT: Should be 53-60

It's great that the players love their coach, but that doesn't mean the school retains Bailiff solely because of it.

Then front the money to buyout. We all know the school doesn't really care about athletics. And I'm interested to see the REALISTIC suggestions for replacement that would do any better.

Bring in a 3 million dollar coach and doubt if much would change except folks would say he was overpaid and students say it is too much and takes away focus from academics.

(11-29-2015 01:33 PM)RiceOwl53 Wrote:  

(11-29-2015 01:12 PM)WIowl Wrote:  

(11-29-2015 01:08 PM)RiceOwl53 Wrote:  Maybe this is the real perception of the program outside of this board?

http://espn.go.com/blog/ncfnation/post/_...ame-speech

Maybe because they have his record wrong?

"The Owls are 70-68 since Bailiff took over". EDIT: Should be 53-60

It's great that the players love their coach, but that doesn't mean the school retains Bailiff solely because of it.

Then front the money to buyout. We all know the school doesn't really care about athletics. And I'm interested to see the REALISTIC suggestions for replacement that would do any better.

+1

Great video. Testament to Bailiff's character and personal impact on our players.

(11-29-2015 02:13 PM)cr11owl Wrote:  

(11-29-2015 01:33 PM)RiceOwl53 Wrote:  

(11-29-2015 01:12 PM)WIowl Wrote:  

(11-29-2015 01:08 PM)RiceOwl53 Wrote:  Maybe this is the real perception of the program outside of this board?

http://espn.go.com/blog/ncfnation/post/_...ame-speech

Maybe because they have his record wrong?

"The Owls are 70-68 since Bailiff took over". EDIT: Should be 53-60

It's great that the players love their coach, but that doesn't mean the school retains Bailiff solely because of it.

Then front the money to buyout. We all know the school doesn't really care about athletics. And I'm interested to see the REALISTIC suggestions for replacement that would do any better.

+1

+2. As many have already said in different ways, our problems are far larger than just DB.

Posted this elsewhere, but Luke was on the front page of Reddit (top 10 most visited sites in the world):
https://www.reddit.com/r/videos/comments...ch_during/

(11-29-2015 01:33 PM)RiceOwl53 Wrote:  

(11-29-2015 01:12 PM)WIowl Wrote:  

(11-29-2015 01:08 PM)RiceOwl53 Wrote:  Maybe this is the real perception of the program outside of this board?

http://espn.go.com/blog/ncfnation/post/_...ame-speech

Maybe because they have his record wrong?

"The Owls are 70-68 since Bailiff took over". EDIT: Should be 53-60

It's great that the players love their coach, but that doesn't mean the school retains Bailiff solely because of it.

Then front the money to buyout. We all know the school doesn't really care about athletics. And I'm interested to see the REALISTIC suggestions for replacement that would do any better.

I really don't know what options are realistic. If he's as prudent as I think he is, I'm guessing JK has some feel for that. Don't abandon Plan A until you have at least some idea what Plan B is. I don't think DB can do better than .500 over the long haul against CUSA. Maybe we can get basketball to the level where it and baseball make us attractive to an upgrade conference. May football has to contribute more than a .500 record to get it done. I really don't know, nor at this point do I expect that anyone does.

If you would want to really make an impact, bring in Bobs dad as OC. He is head coach at Gilmer, but has been the brains of that outfit for years and is looked upon better (recruiting asset) than the guy who went to horns.

(11-29-2015 01:33 PM)RiceOwl53 Wrote:  Then front the money to buyout. We all know the school doesn't really care about athletics. And I'm interested to see the REALISTIC suggestions for replacement that would do any better.

Are you aware that yesterday a Rice football game was played in front of a completely empty stadium? When I read your post about a replacement "doing better" than Bailiff, how is it even possible to do worse than a losing record against one of America's weakest schedules and playing in front of an empty stadium?

For the "front the money" brigade, are you suggesting that we do nothing? Our program is descending into completely irrelevance, if it's not already there. Ridiculously easy schedules over the past several years have masked the descent and tricked those who don't follow the program closely into thinking that the team was improving. Meanwhile, our crosstown rival hired our former offensive coordinator and is thriving. So don't tell me that it's impossible to find a coach who can do better than Bailiff -- because we had one on our staff already.

(11-29-2015 02:58 PM)Volente Beach Owl Wrote:  

(11-29-2015 01:33 PM)RiceOwl53 Wrote:  Then front the money to buyout. We all know the school doesn't really care about athletics. And I'm interested to see the REALISTIC suggestions for replacement that would do any better.

Are you aware that yesterday a Rice football game was played in front of a completely empty stadium? When I read your post about a replacement "doing better" than Bailiff, how is it even possible to do worse than a losing record against one of America's weakest schedules and playing in front of an empty stadium?

For the "front the money" brigade, are you suggesting that we do nothing? Our program is descending into completely irrelevance, if it's not already there. Ridiculously easy schedules over the past several years have masked the descent and tricked those who don't follow the program closely into thinking that the team was improving. Meanwhile, our crosstown rival hired our former offensive coordinator and is thriving. So don't tell me that it's impossible to find a coach who can do better than Bailiff -- because we had one on our staff already.

It was a lousy crowd, very small, but it was not completely empty. The pictures posted on this site were from the Stadium Club in the upper deck looking down at the East side.

There were fans on the lower west side who came out to support the Owls. I was there, with my son and a friend of his. Not many fans given the record of the opponent, the weather, the holiday weekend. It was a bad crowd, no doubt, but not completely empty.

(11-29-2015 02:58 PM)Volente Beach Owl Wrote:  Are you aware that yesterday a Rice football game was played in front of a completely empty stadium? When I read your post about a replacement "doing better" than Bailiff, how is it even possible to do worse than a losing record against one of America's weakest schedules and playing in front of an empty stadium?

Much has been made about the attendance at yesterday's game, well I was there so the stadium wasn't "completely empty". I would estimate the crowd at 3-5K, which is certainly not much in HRS. It was a cold, rainy day on the Saturday of Thanksgiving weekend for a meaningless game between two not very good teams. To make the low attendance some kind of vote on interest in Rice football is, I believe, disingenuous. I have a vague memory of a Rice-Baylor game in the late '60s played under the same circumstances (in Waco, I believe) that set a SWC record for low attendance (<1k?). No one suggested that game was anything other than what it was - poorly attended due to the circumstances.

(11-29-2015 02:58 PM)Volente Beach Owl Wrote:  

(11-29-2015 01:33 PM)RiceOwl53 Wrote:  Then front the money to buyout. We all know the school doesn't really care about athletics. And I'm interested to see the REALISTIC suggestions for replacement that would do any better.

Are you aware that yesterday a Rice football game was played in front of a completely empty stadium, on a tv channel that no one gets, against a team ranked 127 of 128 D1 teams, in a game that had no bearing whatsoever on who wins our division of our terrible conference, and we played to a scoreless tie at halftime? When I read your post about a replacement "doing better" than Bailiff, how is it even possible to do worse than a losing record against one of America's weakest schedules and playing in front of an empty stadium?

For the "front the money" brigade, are you suggesting that we do nothing? Our program is descending into completely irrelevance, if it's not already there. Ridiculously easy schedules over the past several years have masked the descent and tricked those who don't follow the program closely into thinking that the team was improving. Meanwhile, our crosstown rival hired our former offensive coordinator and is thriving. So don't tell me that it's impossible to find a coach who can do better than Bailiff -- because we had one on our staff already.

FIFY

(11-29-2015 03:16 PM)Rick Gerlach Wrote:  It was a lousy crowd, very small, but it was not completely empty. The pictures posted on this site were from the Stadium Club in the upper deck looking down at the East side.

There were fans on the lower west side who came out to support the Owls. I was there, with my son and a friend of his. Not many fans given the record of the opponent, the weather, the holiday weekend. It was a bad crowd, no doubt, but not completely empty.

It's posts like this that make me realize that we're not even talking the same language here.

(11-29-2015 03:32 PM)RiceFootball2K5 Wrote:  

(11-29-2015 02:58 PM)Volente Beach Owl Wrote:  

(11-29-2015 01:33 PM)RiceOwl53 Wrote:  Then front the money to buyout. We all know the school doesn't really care about athletics. And I'm interested to see the REALISTIC suggestions for replacement that would do any better.

Are you aware that yesterday a Rice football game was played in front of a completely empty stadium, on a tv channel that no one gets, against a team ranked 127 of 128 D1 teams, in a game that had no bearing whatsoever on who wins our division of our terrible conference, and we played to a scoreless tie at halftime? When I read your post about a replacement "doing better" than Bailiff, how is it even possible to do worse than a losing record against one of America's weakest schedules and playing in front of an empty stadium?

For the "front the money" brigade, are you suggesting that we do nothing? Our program is descending into completely irrelevance, if it's not already there. Ridiculously easy schedules over the past several years have masked the descent and tricked those who don't follow the program closely into thinking that the team was improving. Meanwhile, our crosstown rival hired our former offensive coordinator and is thriving. So don't tell me that it's impossible to find a coach who can do better than Bailiff -- because we had one on our staff already.

FIFY

I got the station. Maybe upgrade your sports package?

Also, thank you for saying my teammates and I were part of a descent of a football program and what we did doesn't really matter.

By the way, I wonder why he left Rice? Oh wait, because he wasn't getting paid. He moved on to a place that would pay him for his skill. It's not that difficult of a concept. You get what you pay for. Get the school to pump money into the salaries of the coaches, then talk to me. Otherwise you'll get more of the same. Guys sticking around towards the end of their career or bright minds moving on because they can get paid better elsewhere.

(11-29-2015 03:43 PM)Orange County Owl Wrote:  

(11-29-2015 03:16 PM)Rick Gerlach Wrote:  It was a lousy crowd, very small, but it was not completely empty. The pictures posted on this site were from the Stadium Club in the upper deck looking down at the East side.

There were fans on the lower west side who came out to support the Owls. I was there, with my son and a friend of his. Not many fans given the record of the opponent, the weather, the holiday weekend. It was a bad crowd, no doubt, but not completely empty.

It's posts like this that make realize that we're not even talking the same language here.

Exactly.
One person there and Rick can say, it wasn't completely empty.

I got the station, on mid range cable. Tyler paper actually had our score printed this morning as well.

(11-29-2015 03:43 PM)Orange County Owl Wrote:  

(11-29-2015 03:16 PM)Rick Gerlach Wrote:  It was a lousy crowd, very small, but it was not completely empty. The pictures posted on this site were from the Stadium Club in the upper deck looking down at the East side.

There were fans on the lower west side who came out to support the Owls. I was there, with my son and a friend of his. Not many fans given the record of the opponent, the weather, the holiday weekend. It was a bad crowd, no doubt, but not completely empty.

It's posts like this that make me realize that we're not even talking the same language here.

AnotherOldOwl read the post that same as I. He and I were both there.

I have no problem with anyone saying it was a very bad turnout.

To some of us, 'completely empty' means completely empty. I've never understood the need to use hyperbole and exaggeration, particularly when:

1. It might be assumed to be literally true by someone who wasn't at the game.

2. When there were a number of fans at the game, who are rendered completely inconsequential, non-existent by the hyperbole. The people who showed up deserve some credit under the conditions.

3. Stating the truth in more accurate terms gets the point across just as well.

Say it was a lousy crowd. Say that only Rice diehards would be foolish enough to attend the game given the circumstances. Add the qualifier - - "Figuratively speaking only, . . . . ."

(11-29-2015 02:58 PM)Volente Beach Owl Wrote:  

(11-29-2015 01:33 PM)RiceOwl53 Wrote:  Then front the money to buyout. We all know the school doesn't really care about athletics. And I'm interested to see the REALISTIC suggestions for replacement that would do any better.

Are you aware that yesterday a Rice football game was played in front of a completely empty stadium? When I read your post about a replacement "doing better" than Bailiff, how is it even possible to do worse than a losing record against one of America's weakest schedules and playing in front of an empty stadium?

For the "front the money" brigade, are you suggesting that we do nothing? Our program is descending into completely irrelevance, if it's not already there. Ridiculously easy schedules over the past several years have masked the descent and tricked those who don't follow the program closely into thinking that the team was improving. Meanwhile, our crosstown rival hired our former offensive coordinator and is thriving. So don't tell me that it's impossible to find a coach who can do better than Bailiff -- because we had one on our staff already.

VBO- the answer is yes. They want us to sit back and do nothing. its the easier option.

Meh. There are better things to spend time on. MBB for starters.