(11-29-2015 12:52 PM)EvilVodka Wrote:  

(11-29-2015 10:59 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(11-29-2015 10:45 AM)bluesox Wrote:  Heck, you just need to look at how ohio state got into the 2014 playoff after losing to Va tech in game 1 to see how UNC gets into the playoff this year.

Big differences:

1) VT wasn't nearly as bad as SC is. VT finished 6-6 and won their bowl game. SC is 3-9 and isn't sniffing a bowl game.

2) Ohio State built their way up to striking distance by beating good teams. They didn't have a one-game season versus Wisconsin in the CCG like UNC will have vs Clemson.

Before then, they beat #8 Michigan State decisively on the road, then they beat #25 at Minnesota. That's what moved them into the Top 10. So Ohio State ended up beating three CFP-ranked teams before vaulting into the playoff top 4.

And Ohio State didn't "vault" out of nowhere either. In the four weeks before the CFP selection, Ohio State was ranked 8, 6, 6, and 5. They were right there on the doorstep a whole month before the final CFP selection. They didn't vault in out of nowhere.

In contrast, UNC has moved up strictly by attrition, as other teams facing tougher schedules have beaten each other, while they played one ACC mediocrity or patsy after another. And UNC is sitting where right now, #14? At this point last year, Ohio State was #6.

Big difference.

3) Maybe it's not fair, but Ohio State is a blue-chip football brand, and UNC isn't. If this were basketball it would be different, but ...

1 and 2 are just rationales for your real belief, #3

North Carolina isn't pretty enough for you

Then cut out #3. You'll see that #1 and #2 stand nicely on their own.

1) Oklahoma is in.
2) Iowa/MSU winner is in.
3) Clemson/NC winner is in.
4) Alabama is in if they beat Florida, but Ohio State would get the last spot if Alabama loses.

There won't be any 2 loss teams in the playoff.

(11-29-2015 01:03 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(11-29-2015 11:57 AM)XLance Wrote:  

(11-29-2015 11:47 AM)dbackjon Wrote:  They should leave North Carolina out for the sole fact they played two FCS teams

I will mention this again. The only reason that Carolina ended up with two FCS schools on our schedule was because two B1G (Ohio State and Minnesota) schools and one SEC school (Tennessee) cancelled home and home games with us over the last couple of years.
We did play two P5 schools OOC (South Carolina and Illinois).

Big ******* deal. The reality is you played 2 FCS teams.

Who cares? They did schedule a Big Ten and SEC team OOC

Doesn't matter if they played NCA&T or NMSU, a cupcake is a cupcake whether it's FBS or not

If Stanford wins convincingly vs. USC, I think they get in ahead of 12-1 UNC and 11-1 Ohio State. The conference championship thing is still a big deal. And Stanford will have played 12 (count 'em) TWELVE Power 5 opponents. Compare that with OSU's 9...and UNC's 10.

(11-30-2015 02:28 AM)allthatyoucantleavebehind Wrote:  If Stanford wins convincingly vs. USC, I think they get in ahead of 12-1 UNC and 11-1 Ohio State. The conference championship thing is still a big deal. And Stanford will have played 12 (count 'em) TWELVE Power 5 opponents. Compare that with OSU's 9...and UNC's 10.

IMO they will get in over UNC if they win. Ohio State? Probably not. OSU has huge respect from the committee, is a huge brand name as well, and has eyeball look of defending champ vs. Michigan.

IMO, people are vastly underestimating OSU's playoffs chances. They will be right on the doorstep. Any slip ups by Clemson or Alabama and they will be first in line to move in.

(11-30-2015 02:28 AM)allthatyoucantleavebehind Wrote:  If Stanford wins convincingly vs. USC, I think they get in ahead of 12-1 UNC and 11-1 Ohio State. The conference championship thing is still a big deal. And Stanford will have played 12 (count 'em) TWELVE Power 5 opponents. Compare that with OSU's 9...and UNC's 10.

true

(11-29-2015 05:26 PM)andy98 Wrote:  1) Oklahoma is in.
2) Iowa/MSU winner is in.
3) Clemson/NC winner is in.

I don't see it for UNC. Put it this way: Going in to last weekend, Stanford was #9, UNC was #14. UNC's last two games are NC State and Clemson, Stanford's are Notre Dame and USC.

So what's harder to do, beat NC State and Clemson or Notre Dame and USC? IMO, the latter is a tougher two-game sequence. So how on earth is UNC going to gain 5 places on Stanford for beating their sequence?

Doesn't compute.

(11-30-2015 09:01 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(11-29-2015 05:26 PM)andy98 Wrote:  1) Oklahoma is in.
2) Iowa/MSU winner is in.
3) Clemson/NC winner is in.

I don't see it for UNC. Put it this way: Going in to last weekend, Stanford was #9, UNC was #14. UNC's last two games are NC State and Clemson, Stanford's are Notre Dame and USC.

So what's harder to do, beat NC State and Clemson or Notre Dame and USC? IMO, the latter is a tougher two-game sequence. So how on earth is UNC going to gain 5 places on Stanford for beating their sequence?

Doesn't compute.

If they beat Clemson, they'll be in....if they were playing ANYONE other than Clemson, they'd probably be on the outside. They play the perfect team and the perfect time

let's wait and see where Clemson is this week. There is NO guarantee at all whatsoever that Clemson will still be #1 tomorrow night. NONE.

(11-30-2015 02:28 AM)allthatyoucantleavebehind Wrote:  If Stanford wins convincingly vs. USC, I think they get in ahead of 12-1 UNC and 11-1 Ohio State. The conference championship thing is still a big deal. And Stanford will have played 12 (count 'em) TWELVE Power 5 opponents. Compare that with OSU's 9...and UNC's 10.

they also lost twice and have played mediocre PAC 12 teams

The problem is the Pac 12 is stronger than the ACC.

(11-30-2015 10:42 AM)stever20 Wrote:  let's wait and see where Clemson is this week. There is NO guarantee at all whatsoever that Clemson will still be #1 tomorrow night. NONE.

(11-30-2015 10:53 AM)stever20 Wrote:  The problem is the Pac 12 is stronger than the ACC.

well, when I look at the top 10 in just about every poll, I see 3 ACC teams and 1 PAC 12 team

The PAC 12 has been overrated all year long...USC and UCLA were supposed to be top teams this year....Oregon and Stanford both got beat by B1G teams, Arizona State lost to Texas A&M, Arizona barely beat UTSA

Portland State beat Washington State, the team that nearly beat Stanford

you stick Clemson or FSU in that conference, and they go undefeated

The ACC has 3 teams in the top 10 because the rest of the conference is GARBAGE. UNC didn't play either FSU or Clemson.

Here's sagarin ratings for ACC this week-
4,6,35,47,80,84,93
13,34,42,46,53,57,76
here's ratings for Pac 12 this week-
8,9,26,32,49,109,12,25,28,40,56,90

So ACC with 3 top 30 teams
Pac 12 with 6 top 30 teams
top 40- ACC 5 P12 8.

The Pac 12 is a MUCH stronger conference.

(11-30-2015 11:15 AM)stever20 Wrote:  The ACC has 3 teams in the top 10 because the rest of the conference is GARBAGE. UNC didn't play either FSU or Clemson.

Here's sagarin ratings for ACC this week-
4,6,35,47,80,84,93
13,34,42,46,53,57,76
here's ratings for Pac 12 this week-
8,9,26,32,49,109,12,25,28,40,56,90

So ACC with 3 top 30 teams
Pac 12 with 6 top 30 teams
top 40- ACC 5 P12 8.

The Pac 12 is a MUCH stronger conference.

I have a question about the access bowls that I had last week. Lets say for the sake of argument UNC wins Stanford loses and OSU makes the playoff. The final rankings have UNC 5 Clemson 6 and FSU 7. Would all three be in Access bowls with the G5 representative?

(11-30-2015 11:15 AM)stever20 Wrote:  The ACC has 3 teams in the top 10 because the rest of the conference is GARBAGE. UNC didn't play either FSU or Clemson.

Here's sagarin ratings for ACC this week-
4,6,35,47,80,84,93
13,34,42,46,53,57,76
here's ratings for Pac 12 this week-
8,9,26,32,49,109,12,25,28,40,56,90

So ACC with 3 top 30 teams
Pac 12 with 6 top 30 teams
top 40- ACC 5 P12 8.

The Pac 12 is a MUCH stronger conference.

Well if Stanford had managed to beat Northwestern, I'm sure they'd have a good chance to make the playoff

They still have to beat a very mediocre USC team for the conference championship

(11-30-2015 11:20 AM)samandrea Wrote:  

(11-30-2015 11:15 AM)stever20 Wrote:  The ACC has 3 teams in the top 10 because the rest of the conference is GARBAGE. UNC didn't play either FSU or Clemson.

Here's sagarin ratings for ACC this week-
4,6,35,47,80,84,93
13,34,42,46,53,57,76
here's ratings for Pac 12 this week-
8,9,26,32,49,109,12,25,28,40,56,90

So ACC with 3 top 30 teams
Pac 12 with 6 top 30 teams
top 40- ACC 5 P12 8.

The Pac 12 is a MUCH stronger conference.

I have a question about the access bowls that I had last week. Lets say for the sake of argument UNC wins Stanford loses and OSU makes the playoff. The final rankings have UNC 5 Clemson 6 and FSU 7. Would all three be in Access bowls with the G5 representative?

I'd venture a guess you'd see the committee put ND 7 ahead of FSU to avoid this problem. So you'd have Clemson/Temple-Houston winner and UNC/ND.

(11-29-2015 08:51 AM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  I have to ask. Why is Baylor better than UNC? Out of 12 games, Baylor only has 3 wins over teams currently bowl eligible. UNC has 5 and if they beat Clemson it will be 6.

As for Ohio State, how could the committee justify putting Ohio State in over UNC if UNC is 12-1 (OSU would be 11-1) with a win over Clemson? Ohio State's best win is over a 3-loss Michigan team.

Why is UNC better than Houston?

(11-30-2015 11:22 AM)stever20 Wrote:  

(11-30-2015 11:20 AM)samandrea Wrote:  

(11-30-2015 11:15 AM)stever20 Wrote:  The ACC has 3 teams in the top 10 because the rest of the conference is GARBAGE. UNC didn't play either FSU or Clemson.

Here's sagarin ratings for ACC this week-
4,6,35,47,80,84,93
13,34,42,46,53,57,76
here's ratings for Pac 12 this week-
8,9,26,32,49,109,12,25,28,40,56,90

So ACC with 3 top 30 teams
Pac 12 with 6 top 30 teams
top 40- ACC 5 P12 8.

The Pac 12 is a MUCH stronger conference.

I have a question about the access bowls that I had last week. Lets say for the sake of argument UNC wins Stanford loses and OSU makes the playoff. The final rankings have UNC 5 Clemson 6 and FSU 7. Would all three be in Access bowls with the G5 representative?

I'd venture a guess you'd see the committee put ND 7 ahead of FSU to avoid this problem. So you'd have Clemson/Temple-Houston winner and UNC/ND.

That is what I was thinking. They would have a revote real quick.

(11-30-2015 11:20 AM)samandrea Wrote:  

(11-30-2015 11:15 AM)stever20 Wrote:  The ACC has 3 teams in the top 10 because the rest of the conference is GARBAGE. UNC didn't play either FSU or Clemson.

Here's sagarin ratings for ACC this week-
4,6,35,47,80,84,93
13,34,42,46,53,57,76
here's ratings for Pac 12 this week-
8,9,26,32,49,109,12,25,28,40,56,90

So ACC with 3 top 30 teams
Pac 12 with 6 top 30 teams
top 40- ACC 5 P12 8.

The Pac 12 is a MUCH stronger conference.

I have a question about the access bowls that I had last week. Lets say for the sake of argument UNC wins Stanford loses and OSU makes the playoff. The final rankings have UNC 5 Clemson 6 and FSU 7. Would all three be in Access bowls with the G5 representative?

North Carolina and Clemson would be in for sure....

If Iowa loses, it will probably be a Fiesta Bowl decision between FSU and Iowa...I wonder who'd they would take :)