Words written in black and white. Still won't accost defeat. Good ol Stever is back. Was worried about you. You were too PC and too agreeing for too long.

(11-30-2015 03:57 PM)adcorbett Wrote:  Words written in black and white. Still won't accost defeat. Good ol Stever is back. Was worried about you. You were too PC and too agreeing for too long.

Sorry but if I think Ohio St is the 4th best team and I think UNC with their garbage ACC schedule plus 2 FCS teams is 10th best, I don't have to give UNC the 4th spot just because they're conference champs.

I never asked your opinion, nor debated t. You are simply imploring your own opinion on who should be in the playoffs, versus the actual criteria set forth by the committee, which you just keep ignoring, and lays out how they are to be decided. You also made up stats on others' opinions to support your own. You may not believe being a conference champion matters, and it may not to you, but it's in black and white, that is absolutely matters to the committee, as per their guidelines. If you have a champ wth many more losses than others, that is where non champions come into play, again per their guidelines. Champions with similar resumes are to be considered for the playoff: non champions aren't supposed to be considered unless the champion pool does not have enough suitable candidates.

(11-30-2015 04:07 PM)adcorbett Wrote:  I never asked your opinion, nor debated t. You are simply imploring your own opinion on who should be in the playoffs, versus the actual criteria set forth by the committee, which you just keep ignoring, and lays out how they are to be decided. You also made up stats on others' opinions to support your own. You may not believe being a conference champion matters, and it may not to you, but it's in black and white, that is absolutely matters to the committee, as per their guidelines. If you have a champ wth many more losses than others, that is where non champions come into play, again per their guidelines. Champions with similar resumes are to be considered for the playoff: non champions aren't supposed to be considered unless the champion pool does not have enough suitable candidates.

You can have the same number of losses, but not be considered as a suitable candidate. Sorry but a UNC team with 2 FCS games, a loss to South Carolina, a win over a mediocre Illinois team, and a garbage ACC schedule- to a lot of folks, they aren't a suitable candidate. They wouldn't have a similar resume.

Also, until the situation really comes to fruition, we do not know what the committee will do. Ohio St/UNC would be a pretty interesting case. I think the committee would frankly hope Stanford beats USC, and they give it to Stanford.

(11-30-2015 04:12 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(11-30-2015 04:07 PM)adcorbett Wrote:  I never asked your opinion, nor debated t. You are simply imploring your own opinion on who should be in the playoffs, versus the actual criteria set forth by the committee, which you just keep ignoring, and lays out how they are to be decided. You also made up stats on others' opinions to support your own. You may not believe being a conference champion matters, and it may not to you, but it's in black and white, that is absolutely matters to the committee, as per their guidelines. If you have a champ wth many more losses than others, that is where non champions come into play, again per their guidelines. Champions with similar resumes are to be considered for the playoff: non champions aren't supposed to be considered unless the champion pool does not have enough suitable candidates.

You can have the same number of losses, but not be considered as a suitable candidate. Sorry but a UNC team with 2 FCS games, a loss to South Carolina, a win over a mediocre Illinois team, and a garbage ACC schedule- to a lot of folks, they aren't a suitable candidate. They wouldn't have a similar resume.

Also, until the situation really comes to fruition, we do not know what the committee will do. Ohio St/UNC would be a pretty interesting case. I think the committee would frankly hope Stanford beats USC, and they give it to Stanford.

If NC & Stanford wins then it would come down to those two & then the committee would have to decide what is better in their eyes, Stanford with a better SOS but 2 loses or NC 11 game win streak while being considered as one of the hottest teams right now. You can't say that Ohio St is unequivocally better than Stanford.

If NC wins & Stanford loses then NC, Clemson, Ohio St & maybe the B1G CCG loser maybe considered among possibly others. Who would be chosen by the committee will be a crapshoot. NC would have the CC advantage so someone would have to be considered "unequivocally" better than them. They would have a 12 game winning streak & a victory over #1 (possibly) to add to that advantage though. Not to mention that NC is 1 of only 2 teams with road wins over 4 top 40 FPI teams.

Steve's opinion of UNC is shared by Jerry Palm of CBS, FWIW-

https://twitter.com/jppalmCBS/status/671359772814372864

(11-30-2015 04:45 PM)Frog in the Kitchen Sink Wrote:  Steve's opinion of UNC is shared by Jerry Palm of CBS, FWIW-

https://twitter.com/jppalmCBS/status/671359772814372864

He seems to be speaking of poll movement.

Again the committee is not exactly renowned for their consistency or following their own rules, but by their rules, they'd have to find a team unequivocably better than a champion. To me, the only one this year in that danger would be the Pac 12 champ if Stanford loses, or maybe the SEC champ if Florida wins, due to losing last week and nearly losing two weeks ago to a non power school at home.

If, and I mean IF, UNC is able to beat the #1 team, they should be in. I don't understand why that is so hard to comprehend.

(11-30-2015 02:39 PM)Policiious Wrote:  

(11-29-2015 02:47 PM)DogPoundNorth Wrote:  No way in hell that the Big 10 will have two teams in the playoff while leaving out two other P5 conference champions. Not going to happen. Ohio State is out.

If Florida beats Alabama, Ohio State gets in with only 1 loss. Both Florida and Alabama would have 2

That would be a tough spot for them. Because they would still want Alabama 4th, but couldn't ignore champion and head to head criteria both and put Alabama in the playoff and Florida not.

(11-30-2015 05:07 PM)esayem Wrote:  If, and I mean IF, UNC is able to beat the #1 team, they should be in. I don't understand why that is so hard to comprehend.

a 12-1`conference champ that just beat #1 is in the playoff. UNC would be in.

*Alabama is going to win, they are in.
*MSU/Iowa winner is in.

What would the committee do with a 12-1 Clemson, 12-1 Iowa, and 11-1 Oklahoma. Would Clemson bump Oklahoma and we have:

UNC
Clemson
Alabama
MSU/Iowa

(11-29-2015 01:00 PM)stever20 Wrote:  Alabama dominated the game. Won by 16 and 7 points from Auburn was garbage lucky play. And Auburn is a MUCH better team than South Carolina- who lost to the Citadel.

And Auburn needed some luck to beat their FCS opponent, in OT.

(11-29-2015 01:36 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(11-29-2015 01:31 PM)EvilVodka Wrote:  

(11-29-2015 01:24 PM)stever20 Wrote:  That was no 30 yard gift. It was a clear cut late hit out of bounds, and Muschamp acted the fool and got called on it. Auburn scored the ******* luckiest TD you have ever seen. And Auburn is a light years better team than South Carolina.

They are light years better than South Carolina this year? Lol

Auburn is pretty bad this year...don't forget the Jacksonville State game. South Carolina also had their coach bail on them this year

Auburn is going bowling. And they did beat Louisville.

Oh and Jacksonville St was #1 in FCS. Citadel wasn't even a top 8 team in FCS.

Since the FCS actually has playoffs, they get to determine how good teams are on the field. The Citadel, if they beat Charleston Southern Saturday, will be in the final 8.

(11-30-2015 10:44 AM)Frog in the Kitchen Sink Wrote:  

(11-29-2015 02:47 PM)DogPoundNorth Wrote:  No way in hell that the Big 10 will have two teams in the playoff while leaving out two other P5 conference champions. Not going to happen. Ohio State is out.

I don't think it is likely this year, but there will be 2 reps from the same conference at some point.

Yes - a scenario where a CCG is played between two undefeated schools would enable that - even this year, if Michigan State hadn't lost to Nebraska, or OSU hadn't lost to MSU - the loser of the B1G championship game would get serious consideration - possibly even over Oklahoma

(11-30-2015 05:07 PM)esayem Wrote:  If, and I mean IF, UNC is able to beat the #1 team, they should be in. I don't understand why that is so hard to comprehend.

Clemson is a soft #1, IMHO.

OOC:
FCS Wofford
Notre Dame (best win)
G5 App State
South Carolina (who is coming off a loss to The Citadel)

In Conference:
FSU (2nd Best win)
Miami
NCST/Louisville (7-5)
Syr/WF/BC/GT (13 total wins, 5 of which were FCS, 3 among the group, 4 G5 + Florida State)

6 Bowl teams

Stanford OOC
ND (won)
10-2 Northwestern (lost)
UCF (dog)

ZERO FCS

11 P5 teams
8-4 USC
8-4 UCLA
8-4 Washington State
7-5 Cal
6-6 Arizona
6-6 Washington

7 Bowl Teams beaten


UNC

OOC
2 FCS
5-7 Illinois
3-9 South Carolina (LOST)

In Conference
8-4 Pitt
8-4 Miami
7-5 Duke
7-5 NCST
6-6 Va Tech
4-8 Virginia
3-9 GT & WF

10 P5, 5 BOWL Teams

(11-30-2015 05:26 PM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  

(11-30-2015 05:07 PM)esayem Wrote:  If, and I mean IF, UNC is able to beat the #1 team, they should be in. I don't understand why that is so hard to comprehend.

a 12-1`conference champ that just beat #1 is in the playoff. UNC would be in.

*Alabama is going to win, they are in.
*MSU/Iowa winner is in.

What would the committee do with a 12-1 Clemson, 12-1 Iowa, and 11-1 Oklahoma. Would Clemson bump Oklahoma and we have:

UNC
Clemson
Alabama
MSU/Iowa

ACC will not get two teams in, given how weak the conference is.

(11-30-2015 06:05 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  

(11-30-2015 05:26 PM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  

(11-30-2015 05:07 PM)esayem Wrote:  If, and I mean IF, UNC is able to beat the #1 team, they should be in. I don't understand why that is so hard to comprehend.

a 12-1`conference champ that just beat #1 is in the playoff. UNC would be in.

*Alabama is going to win, they are in.
*MSU/Iowa winner is in.

What would the committee do with a 12-1 Clemson, 12-1 Iowa, and 11-1 Oklahoma. Would Clemson bump Oklahoma and we have:

UNC
Clemson
Alabama
MSU/Iowa

ACC will not get two teams in, given how weak the conference is.

I agree the ACC will only have one representative in the playoff. It will be interesting to see how the 9 bowl-eligible ACC teams do during the Holiday Season.

(11-30-2015 06:04 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  

(11-30-2015 05:07 PM)esayem Wrote:  If, and I mean IF, UNC is able to beat the #1 team, they should be in. I don't understand why that is so hard to comprehend.

Clemson is a soft #1, IMHO.

Not soft. They did beat FSU and Notre Dame, two genuinely good teams. But the rest of their schedule wasn't impressive neither were many of their wins. Their overall SOS isn't good, they are getting a pass on that because they did face two good teams.

So while Clemson does deserve to be #1 on paper, they aren't some titanic #1 and truth be told, I don't think many will expect them to beat the likes of Alabama or Oklahoma in the playoffs. They would probably only be favored over Iowa.

Truth is, they were very lucky to beat Notre Dame. They had home field advantage, Notre Dame played about as bad as they can play, played like they did vs Boston College, took them almost three quarters to figure out the slippery turf, and still came within a whisker of beating Clemson. They play that game again and the Irish win more times than not.

Clemson may very well NOT be #1 tomorrow night. I'm not saying it will happen, but it wouldn't be a surprise at all if they were not #1.

(11-30-2015 07:26 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(11-30-2015 06:04 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  

(11-30-2015 05:07 PM)esayem Wrote:  If, and I mean IF, UNC is able to beat the #1 team, they should be in. I don't understand why that is so hard to comprehend.

Clemson is a soft #1, IMHO.

Not soft. They did beat FSU and Notre Dame, two genuinely good teams. But the rest of their schedule wasn't impressive neither were many of their wins. Their overall SOS isn't good, they are getting a pass on that because they did face two good teams.

So while Clemson does deserve to be #1 on paper, they aren't some titanic #1 and truth be told, I don't think many will expect them to beat the likes of Alabama or Oklahoma in the playoffs. They would probably only be favored over Iowa.

Truth is, they were very lucky to beat Notre Dame. They had home field advantage, Notre Dame played about as bad as they can play, played like they did vs Boston College, took them almost three quarters to figure out the slippery turf, and still came within a whisker of beating Clemson. They play that game again and the Irish win more times than not.

Here's the updated playoffs picture for you according to ESPN. You could make a case for Alabama to be #1 but they don't have any top 10 wins while Clemson has 2.

Clemson SOS 36 SOR 2
Ohio St. SOS 58 SOR 9
Mich St. SOS 53 SOR 5
Okl SOS 27 SOR 3
Iowa. SOS 63 SOR 4
Ala. SOS 3 SOR 1
NC. SOS 62 SOR 11
Stanf. SOS 18 SOR 12

http://espn.go.com/college-football/playoffPicture

Also if you notice that NC has an FPI of 15 compared to Iowa 26. Michigan St is 14 in the FPI.

(11-30-2015 07:31 PM)stever20 Wrote:  Clemson may very well NOT be #1 tomorrow night. I'm not saying it will happen, but it wouldn't be a surprise at all if they were not #1.

Clemson has 2 top 10 wins, who else does? Nobody.