I'm not sure if this has been shared with this group before, but I ran across a fascinating athletics fundraising film from 1975. It's about 12 minutes long, has a number of interviews, and plenty of Tribe football action. My two favorite parts are the 1974 demolition of Richmond football, and the striped warm up pants on the basketball team. The campus is pretty much as I remember it from my time in the early '80's. Enjoy>>>

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UPrYWRNtc3M

Speaking of which, is there an interest in any of the Swenson era coaches shows? I had recorded a couple of them on VHS back in the day. I recently went through and digitized all of my old tapes before my VCR would finally die. I know that time is not a high point for the program, but there is some great footage and awesome early 90s commercials and video graphics.

Thanks for posting! I always love watching old W&M athletic videos. Mr. J I'd definitely love to see those old coach's shows as well.

Though, watching these always make me wonder what happened. Every time I watch an old video we're playing ACC schools and discussing expanding the athletic department but now we play Towson and struggle to fill home games. The oddest part to me is that the athletic history of the College isn't even known by most students. It seems that I found a new shocking discovery about the school every other week. So what happened? How did we end up where we are now?

My understanding, and I'm sure I'll be corrected, is in 1978 when Division 1 split into 1-A and 1-AA, there was a decision made to go 1-AA (I heard there was a student vote on that). The Hall is the size it is because there was a hope to join the ACC, but that never panned out with subsequent leadership.

(11-23-2015 03:59 PM)zablenoise Wrote:  Thanks for posting! I always love watching old W&M athletic videos. Mr. J I'd definitely love to see those old coach's shows as well.

Though, watching these always make me wonder what happened. Every time I watch an old video we're playing ACC schools and discussing expanding the athletic department but now we play Towson and struggle to fill home games. The oddest part to me is that the athletic history of the College isn't even known by most students. It seems that I found a new shocking discovery about the school every other week. So what happened? How did we end up where we are now?

Part of the answer is that FCS football, formerly I-AA, didn't exist until 1978. In the 1960's and 1970's we were playing a few more large schools, but most of our schedule was the VMI, UR, Furman, East Carolina (before they were a bigger deal), Citadel type of opponent. We did play Virginia Tech and West Virginia regularly, however. You have to go back to the old Southern conference prior to 1953 to find us playing very many big time opponents. In my opinion, I-AA was the best thing that ever happened to Tribe football.

Another big turning point was the decision not to expand Cary Field in the 1970's to help get us into the next tier. The broader campus community was deeply opposed, but with the move to I-AA the point was moot. Until now. I can't wait to see the finished product.

(11-23-2015 03:59 PM)zablenoise Wrote:  Thanks for posting! I always love watching old W&M athletic videos. Mr. J I'd definitely love to see those old coach's shows as well.

Cool. Maybe when I get a little time I'll upload them to YouTube and post a link.

(11-23-2015 04:24 PM)mrjoolius Wrote:  

(11-23-2015 03:59 PM)zablenoise Wrote:  Thanks for posting! I always love watching old W&M athletic videos. Mr. J I'd definitely love to see those old coach's shows as well.

Cool. Maybe when I get a little time I'll upload them to YouTube and post a link.

You may want to donate to the athletic dept as well for historical archives. What was saved and not saved in those days varies quite a bit.

(11-23-2015 04:16 PM)3xTribe Wrote:  

(11-23-2015 03:59 PM)zablenoise Wrote:  Thanks for posting! I always love watching old W&M athletic videos. Mr. J I'd definitely love to see those old coach's shows as well.

Though, watching these always make me wonder what happened. Every time I watch an old video we're playing ACC schools and discussing expanding the athletic department but now we play Towson and struggle to fill home games. The oddest part to me is that the athletic history of the College isn't even known by most students. It seems that I found a new shocking discovery about the school every other week. So what happened? How did we end up where we are now?

Part of the answer is that FCS football, formerly I-AA, didn't exist until 1978. In the 1960's and 1970's we were playing a few more large schools, but most of our schedule was the VMI, UR, Furman, East Carolina (before they were a bigger deal), Citadel type of opponent. We did play Virginia Tech and West Virginia regularly, however. You have to go back to the old Southern conference prior to 1953 to find us playing very many big time opponents. In my opinion, I-AA was the best thing that ever happened to Tribe football.

Another big turning point was the decision not to expand Cary Field in the 1970's to help get us into the next tier. The broader campus community was deeply opposed, but with the move to I-AA the point was moot. Until now. I can't wait to see the finished product.

Out of curiosity, why do you say that I-AA was the best thing that ever happened to Tribe football?

(11-23-2015 10:10 PM)WMSportsBlog Wrote:  Out of curiosity, why do you say that I-AA was the best thing that ever happened to Tribe football?

I'm also very curious. Mainly because I strongly disagree

(11-23-2015 10:10 PM)WMSportsBlog Wrote:  

(11-23-2015 04:16 PM)3xTribe Wrote:  

(11-23-2015 03:59 PM)zablenoise Wrote:  Thanks for posting! I always love watching old W&M athletic videos. Mr. J I'd definitely love to see those old coach's shows as well.

Though, watching these always make me wonder what happened. Every time I watch an old video we're playing ACC schools and discussing expanding the athletic department but now we play Towson and struggle to fill home games. The oddest part to me is that the athletic history of the College isn't even known by most students. It seems that I found a new shocking discovery about the school every other week. So what happened? How did we end up where we are now?

Part of the answer is that FCS football, formerly I-AA, didn't exist until 1978. In the 1960's and 1970's we were playing a few more large schools, but most of our schedule was the VMI, UR, Furman, East Carolina (before they were a bigger deal), Citadel type of opponent. We did play Virginia Tech and West Virginia regularly, however. You have to go back to the old Southern conference prior to 1953 to find us playing very many big time opponents. In my opinion, I-AA was the best thing that ever happened to Tribe football.

Another big turning point was the decision not to expand Cary Field in the 1970's to help get us into the next tier. The broader campus community was deeply opposed, but with the move to I-AA the point was moot. Until now. I can't wait to see the finished product.

Out of curiosity, why do you say that I-AA was the best thing that ever happened to Tribe football?

While there were some who wanted the football program to remain I-A, the requirement then was that a 30,000 seat stadium was the minimum to be I-A. The increased scholarships needed, plus the stadium cost (either expansion, which was impractical, or a new stadium) simply did not have broad enough support to be feasible.

The advent of I-AA was drawing many schools who were considered to be peers. The Ivies, and most of our former Southern Conference mates were headed there.

While the decision to go I-AA was primarily a financial one, the evolution of I-AA quickly showed it was the preferable level for Tribe Football. By 1986 we were enjoying post-season play, and seeing the development of meaningful rivalries. The move to the Yankee Conference in 1993 was the final piece of the I-AA puzzle.

I am among those who believe that I-AA was a very positive development in the history of Tribe Football. It allowed us to develop a program that could compete consistently while attracting true student-athletes who are truly representative of The College.

(11-24-2015 06:44 AM)Tribe4SF Wrote:  

(11-23-2015 10:10 PM)WMSportsBlog Wrote:  

(11-23-2015 04:16 PM)3xTribe Wrote:  

(11-23-2015 03:59 PM)zablenoise Wrote:  Thanks for posting! I always love watching old W&M athletic videos. Mr. J I'd definitely love to see those old coach's shows as well.

Though, watching these always make me wonder what happened. Every time I watch an old video we're playing ACC schools and discussing expanding the athletic department but now we play Towson and struggle to fill home games. The oddest part to me is that the athletic history of the College isn't even known by most students. It seems that I found a new shocking discovery about the school every other week. So what happened? How did we end up where we are now?

Part of the answer is that FCS football, formerly I-AA, didn't exist until 1978. In the 1960's and 1970's we were playing a few more large schools, but most of our schedule was the VMI, UR, Furman, East Carolina (before they were a bigger deal), Citadel type of opponent. We did play Virginia Tech and West Virginia regularly, however. You have to go back to the old Southern conference prior to 1953 to find us playing very many big time opponents. In my opinion, I-AA was the best thing that ever happened to Tribe football.

Another big turning point was the decision not to expand Cary Field in the 1970's to help get us into the next tier. The broader campus community was deeply opposed, but with the move to I-AA the point was moot. Until now. I can't wait to see the finished product.

Out of curiosity, why do you say that I-AA was the best thing that ever happened to Tribe football?

While there were some who wanted the football program to remain I-A, the requirement then was that a 30,000 seat stadium was the minimum to be I-A. The increased scholarships needed, plus the stadium cost (either expansion, which was impractical, or a new stadium) simply did not have broad enough support to be feasible.

The advent of I-AA was drawing many schools who were considered to be peers. The Ivies, and most of our former Southern Conference mates were headed there.

While the decision to go I-AA was primarily a financial one, the evolution of I-AA quickly showed it was the preferable level for Tribe Football. By 1986 we were enjoying post-season play, and seeing the development of meaningful rivalries. The move to the Yankee Conference in 1993 was the final piece of the I-AA puzzle.

I am among those who believe that I-AA was a very positive development in the history of Tribe Football. It allowed us to develop a program that could compete consistently while attracting true student-athletes who are truly representative of The College.

For those of you who were there, what year was the whole decision to go up or down (I-AA or I-A)? What were the main controversies at the time (list of arguments from both sides), who was on each side, and how did the decision ultimately get made? It's pretty fascinating stuff.

(11-24-2015 06:44 AM)Tribe4SF Wrote:  

(11-23-2015 10:10 PM)WMSportsBlog Wrote:  

(11-23-2015 04:16 PM)3xTribe Wrote:  

(11-23-2015 03:59 PM)zablenoise Wrote:  Thanks for posting! I always love watching old W&M athletic videos. Mr. J I'd definitely love to see those old coach's shows as well.

Though, watching these always make me wonder what happened. Every time I watch an old video we're playing ACC schools and discussing expanding the athletic department but now we play Towson and struggle to fill home games. The oddest part to me is that the athletic history of the College isn't even known by most students. It seems that I found a new shocking discovery about the school every other week. So what happened? How did we end up where we are now?

Part of the answer is that FCS football, formerly I-AA, didn't exist until 1978. In the 1960's and 1970's we were playing a few more large schools, but most of our schedule was the VMI, UR, Furman, East Carolina (before they were a bigger deal), Citadel type of opponent. We did play Virginia Tech and West Virginia regularly, however. You have to go back to the old Southern conference prior to 1953 to find us playing very many big time opponents. In my opinion, I-AA was the best thing that ever happened to Tribe football.

Another big turning point was the decision not to expand Cary Field in the 1970's to help get us into the next tier. The broader campus community was deeply opposed, but with the move to I-AA the point was moot. Until now. I can't wait to see the finished product.

Out of curiosity, why do you say that I-AA was the best thing that ever happened to Tribe football?

While there were some who wanted the football program to remain I-A, the requirement then was that a 30,000 seat stadium was the minimum to be I-A. The increased scholarships needed, plus the stadium cost (either expansion, which was impractical, or a new stadium) simply did not have broad enough support to be feasible.

The advent of I-AA was drawing many schools who were considered to be peers. The Ivies, and most of our former Southern Conference mates were headed there.

While the decision to go I-AA was primarily a financial one, the evolution of I-AA quickly showed it was the preferable level for Tribe Football. By 1986 we were enjoying post-season play, and seeing the development of meaningful rivalries. The move to the Yankee Conference in 1993 was the final piece of the I-AA puzzle.

I am among those who believe that I-AA was a very positive development in the history of Tribe Football. It allowed us to develop a program that could compete consistently while attracting true student-athletes who are truly representative of The College.

Thanks, 4SF, you saved me a lengthy post. Your conclusion reflects my opinion exactly. I really just don't see how W&M would have pursued effectively a I-A status. I was trying to think of some schools with similar size and academic profiles to ours that play with the big boys. The two best comps I could think of were Wake Forest and BC, both private. Correct me if I'm wrong (I know someone will), but we are constrained in how we spend money on athletics in ways that private schools are not. Perhaps there is a public analog to W&M that plays FBS, but they certainly aren't Power 5. I'd much rather watch competitive FCS football in our intimate little stadium than be part of Conference USA and still not compete at a national level.

(11-24-2015 07:25 AM)WMSportsBlog Wrote:  

(11-24-2015 06:44 AM)Tribe4SF Wrote:  

(11-23-2015 10:10 PM)WMSportsBlog Wrote:  

(11-23-2015 04:16 PM)3xTribe Wrote:  

(11-23-2015 03:59 PM)zablenoise Wrote:  Thanks for posting! I always love watching old W&M athletic videos. Mr. J I'd definitely love to see those old coach's shows as well.

Though, watching these always make me wonder what happened. Every time I watch an old video we're playing ACC schools and discussing expanding the athletic department but now we play Towson and struggle to fill home games. The oddest part to me is that the athletic history of the College isn't even known by most students. It seems that I found a new shocking discovery about the school every other week. So what happened? How did we end up where we are now?

Part of the answer is that FCS football, formerly I-AA, didn't exist until 1978. In the 1960's and 1970's we were playing a few more large schools, but most of our schedule was the VMI, UR, Furman, East Carolina (before they were a bigger deal), Citadel type of opponent. We did play Virginia Tech and West Virginia regularly, however. You have to go back to the old Southern conference prior to 1953 to find us playing very many big time opponents. In my opinion, I-AA was the best thing that ever happened to Tribe football.

Another big turning point was the decision not to expand Cary Field in the 1970's to help get us into the next tier. The broader campus community was deeply opposed, but with the move to I-AA the point was moot. Until now. I can't wait to see the finished product.

Out of curiosity, why do you say that I-AA was the best thing that ever happened to Tribe football?

While there were some who wanted the football program to remain I-A, the requirement then was that a 30,000 seat stadium was the minimum to be I-A. The increased scholarships needed, plus the stadium cost (either expansion, which was impractical, or a new stadium) simply did not have broad enough support to be feasible.

The advent of I-AA was drawing many schools who were considered to be peers. The Ivies, and most of our former Southern Conference mates were headed there.

While the decision to go I-AA was primarily a financial one, the evolution of I-AA quickly showed it was the preferable level for Tribe Football. By 1986 we were enjoying post-season play, and seeing the development of meaningful rivalries. The move to the Yankee Conference in 1993 was the final piece of the I-AA puzzle.

I am among those who believe that I-AA was a very positive development in the history of Tribe Football. It allowed us to develop a program that could compete consistently while attracting true student-athletes who are truly representative of The College.

For those of you who were there, what year was the whole decision to go up or down (I-AA or I-A)? What were the main controversies at the time (list of arguments from both sides), who was on each side, and how did the decision ultimately get made? It's pretty fascinating stuff.

As I recall, the decision was made in 1979. HC Jim Root led the group seeking to remain I-A, and pushed hard for new stadium, academic concessions for recruiting, and increased scholarship levels. The dialog became strident, and Jim was let go as HC. He subsequently went into the insurance business and remained in Williamsburg until his death.

We had excellent leadership in Athletic Director Ben Carnevale who was the man who hired Jimmye Laycock to lead the program. Jimmye knew exactly what he was getting into and what the focus needed to be to build a meaningful program at W&M.

(11-24-2015 06:44 AM)Tribe4SF Wrote:  

(11-23-2015 10:10 PM)WMSportsBlog Wrote:  

(11-23-2015 04:16 PM)3xTribe Wrote:  

(11-23-2015 03:59 PM)zablenoise Wrote:  Thanks for posting! I always love watching old W&M athletic videos. Mr. J I'd definitely love to see those old coach's shows as well.

Though, watching these always make me wonder what happened. Every time I watch an old video we're playing ACC schools and discussing expanding the athletic department but now we play Towson and struggle to fill home games. The oddest part to me is that the athletic history of the College isn't even known by most students. It seems that I found a new shocking discovery about the school every other week. So what happened? How did we end up where we are now?

Part of the answer is that FCS football, formerly I-AA, didn't exist until 1978. In the 1960's and 1970's we were playing a few more large schools, but most of our schedule was the VMI, UR, Furman, East Carolina (before they were a bigger deal), Citadel type of opponent. We did play Virginia Tech and West Virginia regularly, however. You have to go back to the old Southern conference prior to 1953 to find us playing very many big time opponents. In my opinion, I-AA was the best thing that ever happened to Tribe football.

Another big turning point was the decision not to expand Cary Field in the 1970's to help get us into the next tier. The broader campus community was deeply opposed, but with the move to I-AA the point was moot. Until now. I can't wait to see the finished product.

Out of curiosity, why do you say that I-AA was the best thing that ever happened to Tribe football?

While there were some who wanted the football program to remain I-A, the requirement then was that a 30,000 seat stadium was the minimum to be I-A. The increased scholarships needed, plus the stadium cost (either expansion, which was impractical, or a new stadium) simply did not have broad enough support to be feasible.

The advent of I-AA was drawing many schools who were considered to be peers. The Ivies, and most of our former Southern Conference mates were headed there.

While the decision to go I-AA was primarily a financial one, the evolution of I-AA quickly showed it was the preferable level for Tribe Football. By 1986 we were enjoying post-season play, and seeing the development of meaningful rivalries. The move to the Yankee Conference in 1993 was the final piece of the I-AA puzzle.

I am among those who believe that I-AA was a very positive development in the history of Tribe Football. It allowed us to develop a program that could compete consistently while attracting true student-athletes who are truly representative of The College.

An excellent analysis and spot-on.

(11-24-2015 08:00 AM)3xTribe Wrote:  

(11-24-2015 06:44 AM)Tribe4SF Wrote:  

(11-23-2015 10:10 PM)WMSportsBlog Wrote:  

(11-23-2015 04:16 PM)3xTribe Wrote:  

(11-23-2015 03:59 PM)zablenoise Wrote:  Thanks for posting! I always love watching old W&M athletic videos. Mr. J I'd definitely love to see those old coach's shows as well.

Though, watching these always make me wonder what happened. Every time I watch an old video we're playing ACC schools and discussing expanding the athletic department but now we play Towson and struggle to fill home games. The oddest part to me is that the athletic history of the College isn't even known by most students. It seems that I found a new shocking discovery about the school every other week. So what happened? How did we end up where we are now?

Part of the answer is that FCS football, formerly I-AA, didn't exist until 1978. In the 1960's and 1970's we were playing a few more large schools, but most of our schedule was the VMI, UR, Furman, East Carolina (before they were a bigger deal), Citadel type of opponent. We did play Virginia Tech and West Virginia regularly, however. You have to go back to the old Southern conference prior to 1953 to find us playing very many big time opponents. In my opinion, I-AA was the best thing that ever happened to Tribe football.

Another big turning point was the decision not to expand Cary Field in the 1970's to help get us into the next tier. The broader campus community was deeply opposed, but with the move to I-AA the point was moot. Until now. I can't wait to see the finished product.

Out of curiosity, why do you say that I-AA was the best thing that ever happened to Tribe football?

While there were some who wanted the football program to remain I-A, the requirement then was that a 30,000 seat stadium was the minimum to be I-A. The increased scholarships needed, plus the stadium cost (either expansion, which was impractical, or a new stadium) simply did not have broad enough support to be feasible.

The advent of I-AA was drawing many schools who were considered to be peers. The Ivies, and most of our former Southern Conference mates were headed there.

While the decision to go I-AA was primarily a financial one, the evolution of I-AA quickly showed it was the preferable level for Tribe Football. By 1986 we were enjoying post-season play, and seeing the development of meaningful rivalries. The move to the Yankee Conference in 1993 was the final piece of the I-AA puzzle.

I am among those who believe that I-AA was a very positive development in the history of Tribe Football. It allowed us to develop a program that could compete consistently while attracting true student-athletes who are truly representative of The College.

Thanks, 4SF, you saved me a lengthy post. Your conclusion reflects my opinion exactly. I really just don't see how W&M would have pursued effectively a I-A status. I was trying to think of some schools with similar size and academic profiles to ours that play with the big boys. The two best comps I could think of were Wake Forest and BC, both private. Correct me if I'm wrong (I know someone will), but we are constrained in how we spend money on athletics in ways that private schools are not. Perhaps there is a public analog to W&M that plays FBS, but they certainly aren't Power 5. I'd much rather watch competitive FCS football in our intimate little stadium than be part of Conference USA and still not compete at a national level.

There are a fair number of smallish elite private schools that do it (Notre Dame, Vanderbilt, etc.), but I don't know of a public one.

(11-24-2015 10:05 AM)TribeNiner Wrote:  

(11-24-2015 08:00 AM)3xTribe Wrote:  

(11-24-2015 06:44 AM)Tribe4SF Wrote:  

(11-23-2015 10:10 PM)WMSportsBlog Wrote:  

(11-23-2015 04:16 PM)3xTribe Wrote:  Part of the answer is that FCS football, formerly I-AA, didn't exist until 1978. In the 1960's and 1970's we were playing a few more large schools, but most of our schedule was the VMI, UR, Furman, East Carolina (before they were a bigger deal), Citadel type of opponent. We did play Virginia Tech and West Virginia regularly, however. You have to go back to the old Southern conference prior to 1953 to find us playing very many big time opponents. In my opinion, I-AA was the best thing that ever happened to Tribe football.

Another big turning point was the decision not to expand Cary Field in the 1970's to help get us into the next tier. The broader campus community was deeply opposed, but with the move to I-AA the point was moot. Until now. I can't wait to see the finished product.

Out of curiosity, why do you say that I-AA was the best thing that ever happened to Tribe football?

While there were some who wanted the football program to remain I-A, the requirement then was that a 30,000 seat stadium was the minimum to be I-A. The increased scholarships needed, plus the stadium cost (either expansion, which was impractical, or a new stadium) simply did not have broad enough support to be feasible.

The advent of I-AA was drawing many schools who were considered to be peers. The Ivies, and most of our former Southern Conference mates were headed there.

While the decision to go I-AA was primarily a financial one, the evolution of I-AA quickly showed it was the preferable level for Tribe Football. By 1986 we were enjoying post-season play, and seeing the development of meaningful rivalries. The move to the Yankee Conference in 1993 was the final piece of the I-AA puzzle.

I am among those who believe that I-AA was a very positive development in the history of Tribe Football. It allowed us to develop a program that could compete consistently while attracting true student-athletes who are truly representative of The College.

Thanks, 4SF, you saved me a lengthy post. Your conclusion reflects my opinion exactly. I really just don't see how W&M would have pursued effectively a I-A status. I was trying to think of some schools with similar size and academic profiles to ours that play with the big boys. The two best comps I could think of were Wake Forest and BC, both private. Correct me if I'm wrong (I know someone will), but we are constrained in how we spend money on athletics in ways that private schools are not. Perhaps there is a public analog to W&M that plays FBS, but they certainly aren't Power 5. I'd much rather watch competitive FCS football in our intimate little stadium than be part of Conference USA and still not compete at a national level.

There are a fair number of smallish elite private schools that do it (Notre Dame, Vanderbilt, etc.), but I don't know of a public one.

Vandy and Notre Dame both have over 10,000 undergrads, I wouldn't call them small. I did some looking into this a few years ago, and I think the only P5 schools with less than 10,000 undergrads are Wake Forest and TCU. TCU kind of caught lightning in a bottle with a great coach and peaking right when the Big 12 was looking to bring some people in. I think we're pretty unique in terms of being a public school at our size; not many others even exist, let alone field competitive athletic teams (not counting the service academies).

Edit: Just realized Notre Dame has under 10,000 undergrads as well. My mistake.

Duke is small as well (at least undergrad) but also private

Thanks for posting that -- those are some of the Tribe basketball players I remember best from when I was a kid -- Lowenhaupt, Satterthwaite, Courage, Vail ... that really takes me back.

Not to mention the bright yellow unis, the RC Cola signs on the Cary Field refreshment stands, the giant papier-mache (or whatever) Indian head, and old family friends like Ben Carnevale and Jim Root.

Wow!

(11-24-2015 10:26 AM)tribe_pride Wrote:  Duke is small as well (at least undergrad) but also private

Yeah Duke only has 6500 undegrads, but over 8000 grad students, so I don't really count them. For Wake, TCU, and Notre Dame, there are small undergrad populations, and then the grad population is a fraction of the undegrad.

Fun video to watch.

That was my era as student/recent grad. Tom Graves was our most "pro" sports President (after Dr. Paschall) until Reveley (well, there was Gene's brief visit...).
I remember the positive vote coming down (some of us were very concerned that the "No more Football" crowd would win out) and the sense of elation following the announcement.

I was there for the complete demolition of UR the following Saturday. It was, easily, my second favorite memory EVER at City Stadium (after the Steve Regan to David Knight TD pass in the final seconds in 1970, that sent us to the Tangerine Bowl). It was the largest margin of victory by the Tribe over the Spiders in the rivalry's history.

It was fun to watch Billy Deery, Paul Kruis and Dick Pawlewicz power through the Spides. Deery really was a magician on the Option offense.

Also great fun to see Balanis' squad from that season, with Ronnie Satterthwaite, Mike Enoch, Jack Arbogast, Matt Courage and even "The Kraze", John Kratzer, in action.

That's definitely a keeper.

It suggests what we are looking at, again, with this most recent commitment to athletics under Reveley. Let's hope we get no back-sliding this time around.