No Michigan State. 10-1.

No Michigan. 9-2.

If the Irish beat Stanford, and don't get in, ... just sayin.

(11-23-2015 10:51 AM)nj alum Wrote:  No Michigan State. 10-1.

No Michigan. 9-2.

If the Irish beat Stanford, and don't get in, ... just sayin.

The counter argument is that if they play those games, they probably lose at least one and they're not even in the conversation.

The irony is that several "bad" teams on their schedule turned out to be "quality" wins- namely Navy and Temple.

If Notre Dame was playing one of their "traditional" 1970s or 1980s schedules that included one or both of the Michigan teams, they wouldn't have played Clemson. For that matter, a 1970s or 1980s Notre Dame schedule wouldn't have included Stanford, either.

And, the Clemson game is one of ND's best arguments in the committee room. ND's only loss is a 2-point loss on the road to the #1 team, whereas their potential "competitors" for a playoff spot have losses that don't look so good.

Notre Dame, when they finalized this year's schedule several seasons ago, was to have Texas, USC, and Stanford - three blue blood power programs in the country. They also had Georgia Tech and Clemson scheduled, who were ranked before the season and when they played each other. Navy, Temple and Pittsburgh all have been very, very good teams this year. The only "cupcake" that was scheduled was UMass, and that was scheduled because Notre Dame has now made a trend of scheduling schools that have former coaches as head coaches (UMass-Charley Molnar *at the time of the scheduling, Miami-Chuck Martin, New Mexico-Bob Davie, etc.).

If it comes down to Notre Dame/Oklahoma (assuming both win this next weekend - which are very tough games), the tie breaker will come down to Texas. Notre Dame destroyed Texas at home 38-3, while Texas beat Oklahoma 24-17 at neutral site game. Doesn't get much easier than that.

(11-23-2015 10:51 AM)nj alum Wrote:  No Michigan State. 10-1.

No Michigan. 9-2.

If the Irish beat Stanford, and don't get in, ... just sayin.

If they win, they're getting in....

Assuming Oklahoma and Notre Dame (and all top seeds) win out, and we don't have any upsets....it will be splitting hairs between Oklahoma and Notre Dame

IMO, Oklahoma lost a little ground this weekend with Oklahoma State losing, and TCU almost coming back with a 2nd string QB

Oklahoma really needed OSU to be undefeated for the Bedlam game. Oklahoma State probably would have jumped Notre Dame this weekend, but ND should firmly be #4 now

Win at Palo Alto, and they're in....easier said than done though

(11-23-2015 11:24 AM)GoldenWarrior11 Wrote:  Notre Dame, when they finalized this year's schedule several seasons ago, was to have Texas, USC, and Stanford - three blue blood power programs in the country. They also had Georgia Tech and Clemson scheduled, who were ranked before the season and when they played each other. Navy, Temple and Pittsburgh all have been very, very good teams this year. The only "cupcake" that was scheduled was UMass, and that was scheduled because Notre Dame has now made a trend of scheduling schools that have former coaches as head coaches (UMass-Charley Molnar *at the time of the scheduling, Miami-Chuck Martin, New Mexico-Bob Davie, etc.).

If it comes down to Notre Dame/Oklahoma (assuming both win this next weekend - which are very tough games), the tie breaker will come down to Texas. Notre Dame destroyed Texas at home 38-3, while Texas beat Oklahoma 24-17 at neutral site game. Doesn't get much easier than that.

So if North Carolina beats Clemson, they will have beaten the common opponent they have with Notre Dame....is that how it works? LOL

The committee will look at a lot more than just one game....the wins over a possible American Conference Champ and a possible PAC 12 champ help as well

And it STILL will be splitting hairs

(11-23-2015 11:38 AM)EvilVodka Wrote:  

(11-23-2015 11:24 AM)GoldenWarrior11 Wrote:  Notre Dame, when they finalized this year's schedule several seasons ago, was to have Texas, USC, and Stanford - three blue blood power programs in the country. They also had Georgia Tech and Clemson scheduled, who were ranked before the season and when they played each other. Navy, Temple and Pittsburgh all have been very, very good teams this year. The only "cupcake" that was scheduled was UMass, and that was scheduled because Notre Dame has now made a trend of scheduling schools that have former coaches as head coaches (UMass-Charley Molnar *at the time of the scheduling, Miami-Chuck Martin, New Mexico-Bob Davie, etc.).

If it comes down to Notre Dame/Oklahoma (assuming both win this next weekend - which are very tough games), the tie breaker will come down to Texas. Notre Dame destroyed Texas at home 38-3, while Texas beat Oklahoma 24-17 at neutral site game. Doesn't get much easier than that.

So if North Carolina beats Clemson, they will have beaten the common opponent they have with Notre Dame....is that how it works? LOL

The committee will look at a lot more than just one game....the wins over a possible American Conference Champ and a possible PAC 12 champ help as well

And it STILL will be splitting hairs

By the end of the year, we will have had 5 common opponents with ND this year: Virginia, Georgia Tech, Wake Forest, Pitt, Clemson. ND went 4-1. So far we are 4-0.

(11-23-2015 11:48 AM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  

(11-23-2015 11:38 AM)EvilVodka Wrote:  

(11-23-2015 11:24 AM)GoldenWarrior11 Wrote:  Notre Dame, when they finalized this year's schedule several seasons ago, was to have Texas, USC, and Stanford - three blue blood power programs in the country. They also had Georgia Tech and Clemson scheduled, who were ranked before the season and when they played each other. Navy, Temple and Pittsburgh all have been very, very good teams this year. The only "cupcake" that was scheduled was UMass, and that was scheduled because Notre Dame has now made a trend of scheduling schools that have former coaches as head coaches (UMass-Charley Molnar *at the time of the scheduling, Miami-Chuck Martin, New Mexico-Bob Davie, etc.).

If it comes down to Notre Dame/Oklahoma (assuming both win this next weekend - which are very tough games), the tie breaker will come down to Texas. Notre Dame destroyed Texas at home 38-3, while Texas beat Oklahoma 24-17 at neutral site game. Doesn't get much easier than that.

So if North Carolina beats Clemson, they will have beaten the common opponent they have with Notre Dame....is that how it works? LOL

The committee will look at a lot more than just one game....the wins over a possible American Conference Champ and a possible PAC 12 champ help as well

And it STILL will be splitting hairs

By the end of the year, we will have had 5 common opponents with ND this year: Virginia, Georgia Tech, Wake Forest, Pitt, Clemson. ND went 4-1. So far we are 4-0.

With Clemson yet to be played. ND went 5-1 this season against the ACC......

Honestly, there is no way to predict the future SOS for an independent who has to make their schedules several years in advance. For 2016, it's already set, 2017 they have 11 teams already, 2018 has 10 and 2019 has 11. The only knock would be that they become an afterthought while 4 P5 conferences are having their conference champ games.

(11-23-2015 11:48 AM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  

(11-23-2015 11:38 AM)EvilVodka Wrote:  

(11-23-2015 11:24 AM)GoldenWarrior11 Wrote:  Notre Dame, when they finalized this year's schedule several seasons ago, was to have Texas, USC, and Stanford - three blue blood power programs in the country. They also had Georgia Tech and Clemson scheduled, who were ranked before the season and when they played each other. Navy, Temple and Pittsburgh all have been very, very good teams this year. The only "cupcake" that was scheduled was UMass, and that was scheduled because Notre Dame has now made a trend of scheduling schools that have former coaches as head coaches (UMass-Charley Molnar *at the time of the scheduling, Miami-Chuck Martin, New Mexico-Bob Davie, etc.).

If it comes down to Notre Dame/Oklahoma (assuming both win this next weekend - which are very tough games), the tie breaker will come down to Texas. Notre Dame destroyed Texas at home 38-3, while Texas beat Oklahoma 24-17 at neutral site game. Doesn't get much easier than that.

So if North Carolina beats Clemson, they will have beaten the common opponent they have with Notre Dame....is that how it works? LOL

The committee will look at a lot more than just one game....the wins over a possible American Conference Champ and a possible PAC 12 champ help as well

And it STILL will be splitting hairs

By the end of the year, we will have had 5 common opponents with ND this year: Virginia, Georgia Tech, Wake Forest, Pitt, Clemson. ND went 4-1. So far we are 4-0.

The problem UNC faces is the abject weakness of their schedule. Two FCS teams (!!), no other good OOC games, and didn't face the only two really good ACC teams (Clemson and FSU) in the regular season. The schedule is just putrid, which is why UNC has no chance to make the playoffs.

That, and South Carolina just lost to The Citadel, LOL.

(11-23-2015 12:04 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(11-23-2015 11:48 AM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  

(11-23-2015 11:38 AM)EvilVodka Wrote:  

(11-23-2015 11:24 AM)GoldenWarrior11 Wrote:  Notre Dame, when they finalized this year's schedule several seasons ago, was to have Texas, USC, and Stanford - three blue blood power programs in the country. They also had Georgia Tech and Clemson scheduled, who were ranked before the season and when they played each other. Navy, Temple and Pittsburgh all have been very, very good teams this year. The only "cupcake" that was scheduled was UMass, and that was scheduled because Notre Dame has now made a trend of scheduling schools that have former coaches as head coaches (UMass-Charley Molnar *at the time of the scheduling, Miami-Chuck Martin, New Mexico-Bob Davie, etc.).

If it comes down to Notre Dame/Oklahoma (assuming both win this next weekend - which are very tough games), the tie breaker will come down to Texas. Notre Dame destroyed Texas at home 38-3, while Texas beat Oklahoma 24-17 at neutral site game. Doesn't get much easier than that.

So if North Carolina beats Clemson, they will have beaten the common opponent they have with Notre Dame....is that how it works? LOL

The committee will look at a lot more than just one game....the wins over a possible American Conference Champ and a possible PAC 12 champ help as well

And it STILL will be splitting hairs

By the end of the year, we will have had 5 common opponents with ND this year: Virginia, Georgia Tech, Wake Forest, Pitt, Clemson. ND went 4-1. So far we are 4-0.

The problem UNC faces is the abject weakness of their schedule. Two FCS teams (!!), no other good OOC games, and didn't face the only two really good ACC teams (Clemson and FSU) in the regular season. The schedule is just putrid, which is why UNC has no chance to make the playoffs.

That, and South Carolina just lost to The Citadel, LOL.

Putrid? Even with 2 FCS teams and the collapse of SC, Sagarin has our SOS rated at 68.

Others of note:

Baylor - 65
Ohio State - 61
Iowa - 62

Granted, it's not the greatest schedule, but we have some pretty good company.

(11-23-2015 12:04 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  The problem UNC faces is the abject weakness of their schedule. Two FCS teams (!!), no other good OOC games, and didn't face the only two really good ACC teams (Clemson and FSU) in the regular season. The schedule is just putrid, which is why UNC has no chance to make the playoffs.

If UNC not only defeats, but truly destroys the #1 team in the country, they definitely have a chance.

Of course, no one expects that to happen...

(11-23-2015 12:24 PM)wleakr Wrote:  

(11-23-2015 12:04 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  The problem UNC faces is the abject weakness of their schedule. Two FCS teams (!!), no other good OOC games, and didn't face the only two really good ACC teams (Clemson and FSU) in the regular season. The schedule is just putrid, which is why UNC has no chance to make the playoffs.

If UNC not only defeats, but truly destroys the #1 team in the country, they definitely have a chance.

We'll see. I say they have no shot even if they beat Clemson like WVU did four years ago. Just a really soft-ball schedule and the worst loss.

(11-23-2015 12:04 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(11-23-2015 11:48 AM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  

(11-23-2015 11:38 AM)EvilVodka Wrote:  

(11-23-2015 11:24 AM)GoldenWarrior11 Wrote:  Notre Dame, when they finalized this year's schedule several seasons ago, was to have Texas, USC, and Stanford - three blue blood power programs in the country. They also had Georgia Tech and Clemson scheduled, who were ranked before the season and when they played each other. Navy, Temple and Pittsburgh all have been very, very good teams this year. The only "cupcake" that was scheduled was UMass, and that was scheduled because Notre Dame has now made a trend of scheduling schools that have former coaches as head coaches (UMass-Charley Molnar *at the time of the scheduling, Miami-Chuck Martin, New Mexico-Bob Davie, etc.).

If it comes down to Notre Dame/Oklahoma (assuming both win this next weekend - which are very tough games), the tie breaker will come down to Texas. Notre Dame destroyed Texas at home 38-3, while Texas beat Oklahoma 24-17 at neutral site game. Doesn't get much easier than that.

So if North Carolina beats Clemson, they will have beaten the common opponent they have with Notre Dame....is that how it works? LOL

The committee will look at a lot more than just one game....the wins over a possible American Conference Champ and a possible PAC 12 champ help as well

And it STILL will be splitting hairs

By the end of the year, we will have had 5 common opponents with ND this year: Virginia, Georgia Tech, Wake Forest, Pitt, Clemson. ND went 4-1. So far we are 4-0.

The problem UNC faces is the abject weakness of their schedule. Two FCS teams (!!), no other good OOC games, and didn't face the only two really good ACC teams (Clemson and FSU) in the regular season. The schedule is just putrid, which is why UNC has no chance to make the playoffs.

That, and South Carolina just lost to The Citadel, LOL.

They will be playing Clemson....

(11-23-2015 12:29 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(11-23-2015 12:24 PM)wleakr Wrote:  

(11-23-2015 12:04 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  The problem UNC faces is the abject weakness of their schedule. Two FCS teams (!!), no other good OOC games, and didn't face the only two really good ACC teams (Clemson and FSU) in the regular season. The schedule is just putrid, which is why UNC has no chance to make the playoffs.

If UNC not only defeats, but truly destroys the #1 team in the country, they definitely have a chance.

We'll see. I say they have no shot even if they beat Clemson like WVU did four years ago. Just a really soft-ball schedule and the worst loss.

So, North Carolina is out even if they beat Clemson, even though they share that common opponent with Notre Dame...

But when Notre Dame and Oklahoma get compared, the common opponent argument works

Got to love college football fans and their use of logic lol

Just admit it, North Carolina football doesn't sound pretty....be honest with yourself, at least long enough for the season to play out and the committee to select the top 4 CONFERENCE CHAMPS

(11-23-2015 12:36 PM)EvilVodka Wrote:  

(11-23-2015 12:29 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(11-23-2015 12:24 PM)wleakr Wrote:  

(11-23-2015 12:04 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  The problem UNC faces is the abject weakness of their schedule. Two FCS teams (!!), no other good OOC games, and didn't face the only two really good ACC teams (Clemson and FSU) in the regular season. The schedule is just putrid, which is why UNC has no chance to make the playoffs.

If UNC not only defeats, but truly destroys the #1 team in the country, they definitely have a chance.

We'll see. I say they have no shot even if they beat Clemson like WVU did four years ago. Just a really soft-ball schedule and the worst loss.

So, North Carolina is out even if they beat Clemson, even though they share that common opponent with Notre Dame...

But when Notre Dame and Oklahoma get compared, the common opponent argument works

I never said "common opponent" is the only factor. When comparing OK and Notre Dame, it should be decisive, because the other big factor, SOS, will be very similar.

In contrast, UNC's schedule is so much weaker than Notre Dame's that it can't be decisive. Especially since ND lost by two on the road, which is within the margin of home field advantage. Heck, UNC also lost to a team that just got beat by the Citadel.

No hypocrisy, just not apples to apples.

(11-23-2015 12:23 PM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  

(11-23-2015 12:04 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(11-23-2015 11:48 AM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  

(11-23-2015 11:38 AM)EvilVodka Wrote:  

(11-23-2015 11:24 AM)GoldenWarrior11 Wrote:  Notre Dame, when they finalized this year's schedule several seasons ago, was to have Texas, USC, and Stanford - three blue blood power programs in the country. They also had Georgia Tech and Clemson scheduled, who were ranked before the season and when they played each other. Navy, Temple and Pittsburgh all have been very, very good teams this year. The only "cupcake" that was scheduled was UMass, and that was scheduled because Notre Dame has now made a trend of scheduling schools that have former coaches as head coaches (UMass-Charley Molnar *at the time of the scheduling, Miami-Chuck Martin, New Mexico-Bob Davie, etc.).

If it comes down to Notre Dame/Oklahoma (assuming both win this next weekend - which are very tough games), the tie breaker will come down to Texas. Notre Dame destroyed Texas at home 38-3, while Texas beat Oklahoma 24-17 at neutral site game. Doesn't get much easier than that.

So if North Carolina beats Clemson, they will have beaten the common opponent they have with Notre Dame....is that how it works? LOL

The committee will look at a lot more than just one game....the wins over a possible American Conference Champ and a possible PAC 12 champ help as well

And it STILL will be splitting hairs

By the end of the year, we will have had 5 common opponents with ND this year: Virginia, Georgia Tech, Wake Forest, Pitt, Clemson. ND went 4-1. So far we are 4-0.

The problem UNC faces is the abject weakness of their schedule. Two FCS teams (!!), no other good OOC games, and didn't face the only two really good ACC teams (Clemson and FSU) in the regular season. The schedule is just putrid, which is why UNC has no chance to make the playoffs.

That, and South Carolina just lost to The Citadel, LOL.

Putrid? Even with 2 FCS teams and the collapse of SC, Sagarin has our SOS rated at 68.

Others of note:

Baylor - 65
Ohio State - 61
Iowa - 62

Granted, it's not the greatest schedule, but we have some pretty good company.

Anderson/Hester has UNC's schedule at 88, Colley Matrix at 97. It's pretty bad.

(11-23-2015 12:45 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(11-23-2015 12:23 PM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  

(11-23-2015 12:04 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(11-23-2015 11:48 AM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  

(11-23-2015 11:38 AM)EvilVodka Wrote:  So if North Carolina beats Clemson, they will have beaten the common opponent they have with Notre Dame....is that how it works? LOL

The committee will look at a lot more than just one game....the wins over a possible American Conference Champ and a possible PAC 12 champ help as well

And it STILL will be splitting hairs

By the end of the year, we will have had 5 common opponents with ND this year: Virginia, Georgia Tech, Wake Forest, Pitt, Clemson. ND went 4-1. So far we are 4-0.

The problem UNC faces is the abject weakness of their schedule. Two FCS teams (!!), no other good OOC games, and didn't face the only two really good ACC teams (Clemson and FSU) in the regular season. The schedule is just putrid, which is why UNC has no chance to make the playoffs.

That, and South Carolina just lost to The Citadel, LOL.

Putrid? Even with 2 FCS teams and the collapse of SC, Sagarin has our SOS rated at 68.

Others of note:

Baylor - 65
Ohio State - 61
Iowa - 62

Granted, it's not the greatest schedule, but we have some pretty good company.

Anderson/Hester has UNC's schedule at 88, Colley Matrix at 97. It's pretty bad.

No it's not good but computers say all kinds of things. ESPN's Strength of Record metric has us ranked 11th which is actually higher than Ohio State's (13th).

(11-23-2015 12:40 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(11-23-2015 12:36 PM)EvilVodka Wrote:  

(11-23-2015 12:29 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(11-23-2015 12:24 PM)wleakr Wrote:  

(11-23-2015 12:04 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  The problem UNC faces is the abject weakness of their schedule. Two FCS teams (!!), no other good OOC games, and didn't face the only two really good ACC teams (Clemson and FSU) in the regular season. The schedule is just putrid, which is why UNC has no chance to make the playoffs.

If UNC not only defeats, but truly destroys the #1 team in the country, they definitely have a chance.

We'll see. I say they have no shot even if they beat Clemson like WVU did four years ago. Just a really soft-ball schedule and the worst loss.

So, North Carolina is out even if they beat Clemson, even though they share that common opponent with Notre Dame...

But when Notre Dame and Oklahoma get compared, the common opponent argument works

I never said "common opponent" is the only factor. When comparing OK and Notre Dame, it should be decisive, because the other big factor, SOS, will be very similar.

In contrast, UNC's schedule is so much weaker than Notre Dame's that it can't be decisive. Especially since ND lost by two on the road, which is within the margin of home field advantage. Heck, UNC also lost to a team that just got beat by the Citadel.

No hypocrisy, just not apples to apples.

Here is the biggest problem for ND, and to me it would trump the "common opponent". Is that OU would be a Conference Champion, which ND cannot be. Plus add in quality of W's far better than ND. Yes OU had the lose vs Texas in a rivalry game, where ND played Texas at home and I am sorry rivalry games are harder to win. But name a Win for ND that is better than OU's Baylor, TCU and if they beat OK State? Stanford is not better than Baylor or Ok State.