(11-18-2015 02:35 PM)tigers0830 Wrote:  

(11-18-2015 12:57 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(11-18-2015 12:33 PM)NigelTufnel Wrote:  

(11-18-2015 08:49 AM)midtowncowboy Wrote:  

(11-18-2015 08:22 AM)HiTiger Wrote:  One thing that has always bothered me was that when Dedric was off to a hot start Josh sat him down for the entire rest of the first half. Think he took him out with 9 pts and such and no foul trouble or anything with like 10 minutes to go.

Josh has always done this when a player really gets going and it has always frustrated me to no end.

Not related to anything, but Dedric is going to be great anyways.

He had foul issues. JP made the right move sitting him.

The 4th foul was a joke of a call. Lawson made no contact with anyone. Amazing what these refs call sometimes. Strange I didn't see those types of calls in the KY/Duke or KU/MSU. But I did see a lot of Duke players with 2 hands on KY players which is supposed to be an instant foul. No call. I also saw Duke and MSU with a lot of pushing in the back of post players . Supposed to be an instant foul. No call. No surprise. They play with different rules.

He picked up his 2nd foul. Last year, JP would have left him in to pick up a 3rd, which would have been a debacle.

Maybe JP has learned something.

Until he left him in after he picked up #3 very early in the 2nd half.

He had to leave him in. KJ was to jittery to come in and play under control and Marshall is raw right now so can't play him a ton.

Letting him play was a gamble but one he had to make

Maybe it is just me, but Marshall does not seem like he is athletic or coordinated, just big.

To me Marshalls skill set seems to be like many of the Tall African Kids who come over late to try basketball.

(11-18-2015 03:32 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(11-18-2015 02:35 PM)tigers0830 Wrote:  

(11-18-2015 12:57 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(11-18-2015 12:33 PM)NigelTufnel Wrote:  

(11-18-2015 08:49 AM)midtowncowboy Wrote:  He had foul issues. JP made the right move sitting him.

The 4th foul was a joke of a call. Lawson made no contact with anyone. Amazing what these refs call sometimes. Strange I didn't see those types of calls in the KY/Duke or KU/MSU. But I did see a lot of Duke players with 2 hands on KY players which is supposed to be an instant foul. No call. I also saw Duke and MSU with a lot of pushing in the back of post players . Supposed to be an instant foul. No call. No surprise. They play with different rules.

He picked up his 2nd foul. Last year, JP would have left him in to pick up a 3rd, which would have been a debacle.

Maybe JP has learned something.

Until he left him in after he picked up #3 very early in the 2nd half.

He had to leave him in. KJ was to jittery to come in and play under control and Marshall is raw right now so can't play him a ton.

Letting him play was a gamble but one he had to make

Maybe it is just me, but Marshall does not seem like he is athletic or coordinated, just big.

To me Marshalls skill set seems to be like many of the Tall African Kids who come over late to try basketball.

You are correct. I compare him favorbly to James "the sheriff" Harris. Marshall need to drop a few pound to increase his quickness. one thing he has though is size. no skills as of right now.

(11-17-2015 10:39 PM)jason80 Wrote:  

(11-17-2015 09:05 PM)jgardne Wrote:  

(11-17-2015 07:46 PM)jason80 Wrote:  

(11-17-2015 07:37 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(11-17-2015 06:15 PM)jason80 Wrote:  The guy is really good. The best a Tiger I have seen since Rose. I will gladly take Dedric over Austin. He's the best player on the court. I'm really excited about the prospects of this team with Dedric and KJ and Tarrant. I love this team. We will see how it goes but unfortunately we better enjoy Dedric while we can cause he will not be here long. Should be really fun to watch him this year though.

You must not remember Tyreke...

I do remember Tyreke...

Not very well apparently.

As far as college careers go Barton was more productive than Tyreke at Memphis. He had a lot better career than Tyreke did imo. He did play an extra year I guess but he was a monster at Memphis. Putting up 22 and 16 with 4 assists in your first game is pretty special though. I'm just saying.

Huh ?

(11-18-2015 01:13 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(11-18-2015 02:27 AM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  Yes, Tyreke put up points, so did Dedric. And he put up more than Reke did in his first several games.

This is a good example of people arguing for the sake of arguing.

Dedric had one of the best games a freshman has ever has here this early in a season.

Tyreke had 13 turnovers in his first 3 games. He was far from perfect right out of the gate, but he had a mans body and you knew he was going to improve his handles.

He said the best he has seen at Memphis...There were no qualifiers about it being early.

When you watched Tyreke you saw that he could take his man EVERY play. Dedric is not there yet, he may get there.

I have zero problems including Tyreke in the group of break out Freshman.

And the early season qualifier was something I personally alluded to.

(11-17-2015 07:04 PM)Rob Wrote:  He plays so under control. Love it.

Supreme efficiency of motion.

Based off first impression, most talented player to play for us since Tyreke.

(11-18-2015 12:26 AM)jgardne Wrote:  

(11-17-2015 09:14 PM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  

(11-17-2015 09:05 PM)jgardne Wrote:  

(11-17-2015 07:46 PM)jason80 Wrote:  

(11-17-2015 07:37 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  You must not remember Tyreke...

I do remember Tyreke...

Not very well apparently.

Tyreke didn't have a game like that right out of the gate as a freshman, neither did Rose.

You would have to go back to Keith Lee or Penny. Maybe one or two more.

The rebounds, no. But tyreke started dropping points on everybody right out of the gate.

He was immediately the best player and go-to scorer on a team with Antonio anderson and rob dozier in addition to a lot of good other players. And he was the best player on the court in pretty much every game we played that year, including the losses.

Reke was a clear pro and next level player the second he walked on the court. DL wasn't the best player in this game even. It's not a dig at DL because Reke was the #1 high school player and a top 5 NBA draft pick. DL is not at that level right now

Sorry but Barton was better than Tyreke at Memphis. He was a monster. He was averaging like a double double his sophomore year or atleast right at it from the guard spot. Back to the comparison to Dedric and Tyreke. I was never really blown away by Tyreke he could score but he was and still is a one dimensional player. Dedric can control the game scoring rebounding. He dominated a top ten team on the glass and he's spose to be a senior in hs. That was the best debut I have ever seen. I don't really know why we need to argue about it maybe I was s prisoner of the moment but he was pretty incredible in that game. If we just make free throws and shoot better than 6 for 25 or whatever it was we win easy. They were not really better than us from what I saw. I've watched a lot of tiger basketball and there was just a feeling watching that game that this team ESP Dedric are going to do some big things this year.

(11-18-2015 06:14 PM)Brother Bluto Wrote:  

(11-17-2015 10:39 PM)jason80 Wrote:  

(11-17-2015 09:05 PM)jgardne Wrote:  

(11-17-2015 07:46 PM)jason80 Wrote:  

(11-17-2015 07:37 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  You must not remember Tyreke...

I do remember Tyreke...

Not very well apparently.

As far as college careers go Barton was more productive than Tyreke at Memphis. He had a lot better career than Tyreke did imo. He did play an extra year I guess but he was a monster at Memphis. Putting up 22 and 16 with 4 assists in your first game is pretty special though. I'm just saying.

Huh ?

Not sure what u didn't understand with what I said there. Barton was a better tiger than Tyreke is basically the point I was trying to make. Turns out he may even have s better pro career. Sorry If that offends you. Top ten tigers last ten years. 1. Rose 2. CDR 3. Barton 4. Tyreke 5. Ellot Williams 6. Joe Jackson 7. Antonio Anderson 8.Dorsey 9. Chris Crawford 10. Taggart. I may have missed a couple but that would be my list. What would yours look like?

(11-19-2015 04:59 AM)jason80 Wrote:  

(11-18-2015 12:26 AM)jgardne Wrote:  

(11-17-2015 09:14 PM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  

(11-17-2015 09:05 PM)jgardne Wrote:  

(11-17-2015 07:46 PM)jason80 Wrote:  I do remember Tyreke...

Not very well apparently.

Tyreke didn't have a game like that right out of the gate as a freshman, neither did Rose.

You would have to go back to Keith Lee or Penny. Maybe one or two more.

The rebounds, no. But tyreke started dropping points on everybody right out of the gate.

He was immediately the best player and go-to scorer on a team with Antonio anderson and rob dozier in addition to a lot of good other players. And he was the best player on the court in pretty much every game we played that year, including the losses.

Reke was a clear pro and next level player the second he walked on the court. DL wasn't the best player in this game even. It's not a dig at DL because Reke was the #1 high school player and a top 5 NBA draft pick. DL is not at that level right now

Sorry but Barton was better than Tyreke at Memphis. He was a monster. He was averaging like a double double his sophomore year or atleast right at it from the guard spot. Back to the comparison to Dedric and Tyreke. I was never really blown away by Tyreke he could score but he was and still is a one dimensional player. Dedric can control the game scoring rebounding. He dominated a top ten team on the glass and he's spose to be a senior in hs. That was the best debut I have ever seen. I don't really know why we need to argue about it maybe I was s prisoner of the moment but he was pretty incredible in that game. If we just make free throws and shoot better than 6 for 25 or whatever it was we win easy. They were not really better than us from what I saw. I've watched a lot of tiger basketball and there was just a feeling watching that game that this team ESP Dedric are going to do some big things this year.

difference between "better" and "more talented". Tyreke is more talented, Barton works harder.

(11-19-2015 05:12 AM)jason80 Wrote:  

(11-18-2015 06:14 PM)Brother Bluto Wrote:  

(11-17-2015 10:39 PM)jason80 Wrote:  

(11-17-2015 09:05 PM)jgardne Wrote:  

(11-17-2015 07:46 PM)jason80 Wrote:  I do remember Tyreke...

Not very well apparently.

As far as college careers go Barton was more productive than Tyreke at Memphis. He had a lot better career than Tyreke did imo. He did play an extra year I guess but he was a monster at Memphis. Putting up 22 and 16 with 4 assists in your first game is pretty special though. I'm just saying.

Huh ?

Not sure what u didn't understand with what I said there. Barton was a better tiger than Tyreke is basically the point I was trying to make. Turns out he may even have s better pro career. Sorry If that offends you. Top ten tigers last ten years. 1. Rose 2. CDR 3. Barton 4. Tyreke 5. Ellot Williams 6. Joe Jackson 7. Antonio Anderson 8.Dorsey 9. Chris Crawford 10. Taggart. I may have missed a couple but that would be my list. What would yours look like?

1. CDR 2. Rose 3. Dorsey 4. Tyreke 5. Antonio Anderson 6. Rodney Carney 7. Joe Jackson 8. Robert Dozier 9. Chris Crawford 10. Taggart/Kemp/Mack

I like the Carney selection there, because he was such a pleasant surprise.

Tyreke was the NBA ROY....so there is that.

(11-19-2015 07:07 AM)homeboy Wrote:  

(11-19-2015 05:12 AM)jason80 Wrote:  

(11-18-2015 06:14 PM)Brother Bluto Wrote:  

(11-17-2015 10:39 PM)jason80 Wrote:  

(11-17-2015 09:05 PM)jgardne Wrote:  Not very well apparently.

As far as college careers go Barton was more productive than Tyreke at Memphis. He had a lot better career than Tyreke did imo. He did play an extra year I guess but he was a monster at Memphis. Putting up 22 and 16 with 4 assists in your first game is pretty special though. I'm just saying.

Huh ?

Not sure what u didn't understand with what I said there. Barton was a better tiger than Tyreke is basically the point I was trying to make. Turns out he may even have s better pro career. Sorry If that offends you. Top ten tigers last ten years. 1. Rose 2. CDR 3. Barton 4. Tyreke 5. Ellot Williams 6. Joe Jackson 7. Antonio Anderson 8.Dorsey 9. Chris Crawford 10. Taggart. I may have missed a couple but that would be my list. What would yours look like?

1. CDR 2. Rose 3. Dorsey 4. Tyreke 5. Antonio Anderson 6. Rodney Carney 7. Joe Jackson 8. Robert Dozier 9. Chris Crawford 10. Taggart/Kemp/Mack

The most under appreciated Tiger we have had here in many many years as you can see by him being put below CRAWFORD in the previous list. I actually put Dozier ahead of Dorsey, but that is just me.

(11-19-2015 10:45 AM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(11-19-2015 07:07 AM)homeboy Wrote:  

(11-19-2015 05:12 AM)jason80 Wrote:  

(11-18-2015 06:14 PM)Brother Bluto Wrote:  

(11-17-2015 10:39 PM)jason80 Wrote:  As far as college careers go Barton was more productive than Tyreke at Memphis. He had a lot better career than Tyreke did imo. He did play an extra year I guess but he was a monster at Memphis. Putting up 22 and 16 with 4 assists in your first game is pretty special though. I'm just saying.

Huh ?

Not sure what u didn't understand with what I said there. Barton was a better tiger than Tyreke is basically the point I was trying to make. Turns out he may even have s better pro career. Sorry If that offends you. Top ten tigers last ten years. 1. Rose 2. CDR 3. Barton 4. Tyreke 5. Ellot Williams 6. Joe Jackson 7. Antonio Anderson 8.Dorsey 9. Chris Crawford 10. Taggart. I may have missed a couple but that would be my list. What would yours look like?

1. CDR 2. Rose 3. Dorsey 4. Tyreke 5. Antonio Anderson 6. Rodney Carney 7. Joe Jackson 8. Robert Dozier 9. Chris Crawford 10. Taggart/Kemp/Mack

The most under appreciated Tiger we have had here in many many years as you can see by him being put below CRAWFORD in the previous list. I actually put Dozier ahead of Dorsey, but that is just me.

Dorsey is one of my all-time favorite Tigers, but he also made some of the all-time bad fouls at the wrong times. He was on the bench in crunch time too often, and we suffered for it, especially on defense.

I think Dorsey was better than Dozier overall, but Dozier was definitely more consistent.

Would love to have EITHER of them playing alongside Detric, tho!

(11-19-2015 04:59 AM)jason80 Wrote:  

(11-18-2015 12:26 AM)jgardne Wrote:  

(11-17-2015 09:14 PM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  

(11-17-2015 09:05 PM)jgardne Wrote:  

(11-17-2015 07:46 PM)jason80 Wrote:  I do remember Tyreke...

Not very well apparently.

Tyreke didn't have a game like that right out of the gate as a freshman, neither did Rose.

You would have to go back to Keith Lee or Penny. Maybe one or two more.

The rebounds, no. But tyreke started dropping points on everybody right out of the gate.

He was immediately the best player and go-to scorer on a team with Antonio anderson and rob dozier in addition to a lot of good other players. And he was the best player on the court in pretty much every game we played that year, including the losses.

Reke was a clear pro and next level player the second he walked on the court. DL wasn't the best player in this game even. It's not a dig at DL because Reke was the #1 high school player and a top 5 NBA draft pick. DL is not at that level right now

Sorry but Barton was better than Tyreke at Memphis. He was a monster. He was averaging like a double double his sophomore year or atleast right at it from the guard spot. Back to the comparison to Dedric and Tyreke. I was never really blown away by Tyreke he could score but he was and still is a one dimensional player. Dedric can control the game scoring rebounding. He dominated a top ten team on the glass and he's spose to be a senior in hs. That was the best debut I have ever seen. I don't really know why we need to argue about it maybe I was s prisoner of the moment but he was pretty incredible in that game. If we just make free throws and shoot better than 6 for 25 or whatever it was we win easy. They were not really better than us from what I saw. I've watched a lot of tiger basketball and there was just a feeling watching that game that this team ESP Dedric are going to do some big things this year.

Are you drunk?

(11-19-2015 10:56 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(11-19-2015 04:59 AM)jason80 Wrote:  

(11-18-2015 12:26 AM)jgardne Wrote:  

(11-17-2015 09:14 PM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  

(11-17-2015 09:05 PM)jgardne Wrote:  Not very well apparently.

Tyreke didn't have a game like that right out of the gate as a freshman, neither did Rose.

You would have to go back to Keith Lee or Penny. Maybe one or two more.

The rebounds, no. But tyreke started dropping points on everybody right out of the gate.

He was immediately the best player and go-to scorer on a team with Antonio anderson and rob dozier in addition to a lot of good other players. And he was the best player on the court in pretty much every game we played that year, including the losses.

Reke was a clear pro and next level player the second he walked on the court. DL wasn't the best player in this game even. It's not a dig at DL because Reke was the #1 high school player and a top 5 NBA draft pick. DL is not at that level right now

Sorry but Barton was better than Tyreke at Memphis. He was a monster. He was averaging like a double double his sophomore year or atleast right at it from the guard spot. Back to the comparison to Dedric and Tyreke. I was never really blown away by Tyreke he could score but he was and still is a one dimensional player. Dedric can control the game scoring rebounding. He dominated a top ten team on the glass and he's spose to be a senior in hs. That was the best debut I have ever seen. I don't really know why we need to argue about it maybe I was s prisoner of the moment but he was pretty incredible in that game. If we just make free throws and shoot better than 6 for 25 or whatever it was we win easy. They were not really better than us from what I saw. I've watched a lot of tiger basketball and there was just a feeling watching that game that this team ESP Dedric are going to do some big things this year.

Are you drunk?

The stats say he is right...My eyes, mind and memory say Tyreke was better.

(11-19-2015 11:00 AM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(11-19-2015 10:56 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(11-19-2015 04:59 AM)jason80 Wrote:  

(11-18-2015 12:26 AM)jgardne Wrote:  

(11-17-2015 09:14 PM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  Tyreke didn't have a game like that right out of the gate as a freshman, neither did Rose.

You would have to go back to Keith Lee or Penny. Maybe one or two more.

The rebounds, no. But tyreke started dropping points on everybody right out of the gate.

He was immediately the best player and go-to scorer on a team with Antonio anderson and rob dozier in addition to a lot of good other players. And he was the best player on the court in pretty much every game we played that year, including the losses.

Reke was a clear pro and next level player the second he walked on the court. DL wasn't the best player in this game even. It's not a dig at DL because Reke was the #1 high school player and a top 5 NBA draft pick. DL is not at that level right now

Sorry but Barton was better than Tyreke at Memphis. He was a monster. He was averaging like a double double his sophomore year or atleast right at it from the guard spot. Back to the comparison to Dedric and Tyreke. I was never really blown away by Tyreke he could score but he was and still is a one dimensional player. Dedric can control the game scoring rebounding. He dominated a top ten team on the glass and he's spose to be a senior in hs. That was the best debut I have ever seen. I don't really know why we need to argue about it maybe I was s prisoner of the moment but he was pretty incredible in that game. If we just make free throws and shoot better than 6 for 25 or whatever it was we win easy. They were not really better than us from what I saw. I've watched a lot of tiger basketball and there was just a feeling watching that game that this team ESP Dedric are going to do some big things this year.

Are you drunk?

The stats say he is right...My eyes, mind and memory say Tyreke was better.

What stats?

Tyreke only played 1 year. Compare Tyreke to Will as a frosh it's not even close.

Even if you compare Tyreke to Will as a sophomore and adjust the stats to per minutes per game:

Will:
Points: 20.4
Rebs: 9.0
Ast: 3.3
Steals: 1.6

Tyreke:
Points: 23.6
Rebs: 7.4
Ast: 5.4
Steals: 2.9

(11-19-2015 11:07 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(11-19-2015 11:00 AM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(11-19-2015 10:56 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(11-19-2015 04:59 AM)jason80 Wrote:  

(11-18-2015 12:26 AM)jgardne Wrote:  The rebounds, no. But tyreke started dropping points on everybody right out of the gate.

He was immediately the best player and go-to scorer on a team with Antonio anderson and rob dozier in addition to a lot of good other players. And he was the best player on the court in pretty much every game we played that year, including the losses.

Reke was a clear pro and next level player the second he walked on the court. DL wasn't the best player in this game even. It's not a dig at DL because Reke was the #1 high school player and a top 5 NBA draft pick. DL is not at that level right now

Sorry but Barton was better than Tyreke at Memphis. He was a monster. He was averaging like a double double his sophomore year or atleast right at it from the guard spot. Back to the comparison to Dedric and Tyreke. I was never really blown away by Tyreke he could score but he was and still is a one dimensional player. Dedric can control the game scoring rebounding. He dominated a top ten team on the glass and he's spose to be a senior in hs. That was the best debut I have ever seen. I don't really know why we need to argue about it maybe I was s prisoner of the moment but he was pretty incredible in that game. If we just make free throws and shoot better than 6 for 25 or whatever it was we win easy. They were not really better than us from what I saw. I've watched a lot of tiger basketball and there was just a feeling watching that game that this team ESP Dedric are going to do some big things this year.

Are you drunk?

The stats say he is right...My eyes, mind and memory say Tyreke was better.

What stats?

Tyreke only played 1 year. Compare Tyreke to Will as a frosh it's not even close.

You lawyers don't get it do you? Tyreke played for Cal so Will is automatically better

(11-19-2015 11:07 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(11-19-2015 11:00 AM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(11-19-2015 10:56 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(11-19-2015 04:59 AM)jason80 Wrote:  

(11-18-2015 12:26 AM)jgardne Wrote:  The rebounds, no. But tyreke started dropping points on everybody right out of the gate.

He was immediately the best player and go-to scorer on a team with Antonio anderson and rob dozier in addition to a lot of good other players. And he was the best player on the court in pretty much every game we played that year, including the losses.

Reke was a clear pro and next level player the second he walked on the court. DL wasn't the best player in this game even. It's not a dig at DL because Reke was the #1 high school player and a top 5 NBA draft pick. DL is not at that level right now

Sorry but Barton was better than Tyreke at Memphis. He was a monster. He was averaging like a double double his sophomore year or atleast right at it from the guard spot. Back to the comparison to Dedric and Tyreke. I was never really blown away by Tyreke he could score but he was and still is a one dimensional player. Dedric can control the game scoring rebounding. He dominated a top ten team on the glass and he's spose to be a senior in hs. That was the best debut I have ever seen. I don't really know why we need to argue about it maybe I was s prisoner of the moment but he was pretty incredible in that game. If we just make free throws and shoot better than 6 for 25 or whatever it was we win easy. They were not really better than us from what I saw. I've watched a lot of tiger basketball and there was just a feeling watching that game that this team ESP Dedric are going to do some big things this year.

Are you drunk?

The stats say he is right...My eyes, mind and memory say Tyreke was better.

What stats?

Tyreke only played 1 year. Compare Tyreke to Will as a frosh it's not even close.

Even if you compare Tyreke to Will as a sophomore and adjust the stats to per minutes per game:

Will:
Points: 20.4
Rebs: 9.0
Ast: 3.3
Steals: 1.6

Tyreke:
Points: 23.6
Rebs: 7.4
Ast: 5.4
Steals: 2.9

You could probably make a case to include Elliot Williams in that conversation. Neither Barton or Tyreke shot very well from 3.

EW adjusted per 40 minutes (sophomore year):
Points: 21.5
Rebounds: 4.8
Assists: 4.6
Shot over 100 less shots than Tyreke and 70 or so less than Barton.

They were all different type of players. Tyreke would just overwhelm other players going to the basket with his strength. Barton was all about finesse and when the team needed a rebounder he sure stepped up. EW was the smoothest and best shooter. Deciding which one was best is like picking your favorite child.

It would be cool to have someone average a double-double this year.

(11-19-2015 11:07 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(11-19-2015 11:00 AM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(11-19-2015 10:56 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(11-19-2015 04:59 AM)jason80 Wrote:  

(11-18-2015 12:26 AM)jgardne Wrote:  The rebounds, no. But tyreke started dropping points on everybody right out of the gate.

He was immediately the best player and go-to scorer on a team with Antonio anderson and rob dozier in addition to a lot of good other players. And he was the best player on the court in pretty much every game we played that year, including the losses.

Reke was a clear pro and next level player the second he walked on the court. DL wasn't the best player in this game even. It's not a dig at DL because Reke was the #1 high school player and a top 5 NBA draft pick. DL is not at that level right now

Sorry but Barton was better than Tyreke at Memphis. He was a monster. He was averaging like a double double his sophomore year or atleast right at it from the guard spot. Back to the comparison to Dedric and Tyreke. I was never really blown away by Tyreke he could score but he was and still is a one dimensional player. Dedric can control the game scoring rebounding. He dominated a top ten team on the glass and he's spose to be a senior in hs. That was the best debut I have ever seen. I don't really know why we need to argue about it maybe I was s prisoner of the moment but he was pretty incredible in that game. If we just make free throws and shoot better than 6 for 25 or whatever it was we win easy. They were not really better than us from what I saw. I've watched a lot of tiger basketball and there was just a feeling watching that game that this team ESP Dedric are going to do some big things this year.

Are you drunk?

The stats say he is right...My eyes, mind and memory say Tyreke was better.

What stats?

Tyreke only played 1 year. Compare Tyreke to Will as a frosh it's not even close.

Even if you compare Tyreke to Will as a sophomore and adjust the stats to per minutes per game:

Will:
Points: 20.4
Rebs: 9.0
Ast: 3.3
Steals: 1.6

Tyreke:
Points: 23.6
Rebs: 7.4
Ast: 5.4
Steals: 2.9

I stand corrected...Didn't realize Will played that many more minutes per game.

Will shot a higher percentage, blocked more shots and turned it over less but as I said my eyes say Tyreke was a better player.