The money would be split 4 ways instead of 5.

To the MW: Idaho, New Mexico State (both football-only)

To the MAC: Appalachian State, Georgia Southern, South Alabama, Coastal Carolina (all sports)

To C-USA: Arkansas State, Texas State (all sports)


Georgia State, Troy, and the two Louisianas are forced to go independent.

You'd have to make sure the Sun Belt has enough votes to dissolve, otherwise the same money is being split by 58 schools instead of 50. Re-homing Arlington and Little Rock will be required as well.

It is the same problem G5 schools have gaining access to P5 conferences. What value do they bring or are they just more mouths to feed and lessen your per team payout? G5 schools already get the table scraps when it comes to TV money, so why add more mouths to feed. IMO I don't see the MW or AAC adding teams to their conferences unless they get raided again and need to back fill. The one exception might be Army and/or BYU decide they want to leave football independence and have a better chance at the access bowl. Either of the those schools would add value to a G5 conference and probably increase the pool of money to be distributed.

Or we could just leave the Sun Belt alone. Anyway, CUSA is the only conference for which most of those teams would make geographic sense.

The Sun Belt is doing just fine on it's own. GSU. ASU, ULL, Troy, and App State are all on the rise. All of our teams and universities are hungry and working hard to get better. We have a big fire in our bellies to prove we belong. We're getting quality OOC games, even a few good home and homes. We have bowl tie ins that our fans want to attend and can get to. We cheer each others accomplishments.

The MAC is a terrible fit geographically and culturally. CUSA is not what it used to be.

Time will tell, but right now it's good to be a Mountaineer in the Belt.

(11-04-2015 11:36 AM)NIU007 Wrote:  Or we could just leave the Sun Belt alone. Anyway, CUSA is the only conference for which most of those teams would make geographic sense.

It would be easier to break up C-USA:

MWC - UTEP, Rice, UNT, UTSA
MAC - WKU, MTSU, ODU, Charlotte
AAC - Marshall, Louisiana Tech
SBC - UAB, USM, FAU, FIU

The American can add two of UMass, Army, and BYU to get to 16 teams themselves.

(11-04-2015 10:18 AM)shizzle787 Wrote:  The money would be split 4 ways instead of 5.

To the MW: Idaho, New Mexico State (both football-only)

To the MAC: Appalachian State, Georgia Southern, South Alabama, Coastal Carolina (all sports)

To C-USA: Arkansas State, Texas State (all sports)


Georgia State, Troy, and the two Louisianas are forced to go independent.

Why on earth would you force Louisiana (with its four straight bowl appearances [and wins]; a top 25 baseball program and a Top 25 softball program) to go independent?

Now ULM, yes. They are bleeding their other sports to bring football up to mediocre.

(11-04-2015 10:18 AM)shizzle787 Wrote:  The money would be split 4 ways instead of 5.

To the MW: Idaho, New Mexico State (both football-only)

To the MAC: Appalachian State, Georgia Southern, South Alabama, Coastal Carolina (all sports)

To C-USA: Arkansas State, Texas State (all sports)


Georgia State, Troy, and the two Louisianas are forced to go independent.

Mountain West has no interest in Idaho or New Mexico State. The MAC has no geographically logical targets in the Sun Belt, outside of maybe Arkansas State. The AAC isn't taking any of them. CUSA isn't taking enough to prevent the Sun Belt from at least having a core around which to rebuild.

The only way this Sun Belt can be raided beyond salvation is if something huge and wacky happens in one of the P5 conferences (like the Big 12 takes six G5 schools after losing a sizable number to other P5s).

Then ...

Mountain West: Goes Texas crazy—UTEP, UTSA, North Texas, Rice, Texas State.
CUSA: Adds Georgia Southern, Georgia State, South Alabama and Appalachian State, pulling back to the East side of the Mississippi.
MAC: Goes South to snag Arkansas State and Louisiana-Lafayette
Sun Belt survivors (Troy, Louisiana-Monroe, Idaho, Coastal Carolina and New Mexico State): ¯\_(ツ)_/¯.

Of course, there's almost literally no chance this ever happens.

the concept is right, the timing is wrong.

What should have happened was the WAC and Big East undesirables should have been absorbed by the MAC, MWC, CUSA and SBC. Instead, the AAC was formed which resulted in the need to call up an entire conference worth of FCS teams, diluting the non-P5 conference pool.

It's too late now.

(11-04-2015 02:49 PM)perimeterpost Wrote:  the concept is right, the timing is wrong.

What should have happened was the WAC and Big East undesirables should have been absorbed by the MAC, MWC, CUSA and SBC. Instead, the AAC was formed which resulted in the need to call up an entire conference worth of FCS teams, diluting the non-P5 conference pool.

It's too late now.

The WAC would have happened no matter what. The Big East, however, was always going to have a core. None of their schools would show any interest in moving from a onetime BCS conference to CUSA or the MAC. Maybe Houston and SMU kick the tires with the Mountain West, but I think even that's stretching it.

I don't think you can really get to a G4 now even if the distribution was reworked. It may end up being that down the road as the autonomous benefits cost really start to kick in for quite a few G5 schools and either drop football or drop down to the FCS level.

(11-04-2015 03:19 PM)Cyniclone Wrote:  

(11-04-2015 02:49 PM)perimeterpost Wrote:  the concept is right, the timing is wrong.

What should have happened was the WAC and Big East undesirables should have been absorbed by the MAC, MWC, CUSA and SBC. Instead, the AAC was formed which resulted in the need to call up an entire conference worth of FCS teams, diluting the non-P5 conference pool.

It's too late now.

The WAC would have happened no matter what. The Big East, however, was always going to have a core. None of their schools would show any interest in moving from a onetime BCS conference to CUSA or the MAC. Maybe Houston and SMU kick the tires with the Mountain West, but I think even that's stretching it.

The only teams left from the Big East were UConn, Cinci, USF and a recently added Temple from the MAC. You say those teams would never join CUSA? Look at where their AAC conf mates came from-

- ECU (CUSA)
- Hou (CUSA)
- Mem (CUSA)
- SMU (CUSA)
- Tulane (CUSA)
- Tulsa (CUSA)
- UCF (CUSA)
- Navy (Ind)

newsflash: the AAC is CUSA + BE leftovers.

C-USA could have been dead if the timing had been right by the then-Big East and Sun Belt. The problem was the Sun Belt teams kept accepting C-USA's invitations.

(11-04-2015 04:43 PM)perimeterpost Wrote:  

(11-04-2015 03:19 PM)Cyniclone Wrote:  

(11-04-2015 02:49 PM)perimeterpost Wrote:  the concept is right, the timing is wrong.

What should have happened was the WAC and Big East undesirables should have been absorbed by the MAC, MWC, CUSA and SBC. Instead, the AAC was formed which resulted in the need to call up an entire conference worth of FCS teams, diluting the non-P5 conference pool.

It's too late now.

The WAC would have happened no matter what. The Big East, however, was always going to have a core. None of their schools would show any interest in moving from a onetime BCS conference to CUSA or the MAC. Maybe Houston and SMU kick the tires with the Mountain West, but I think even that's stretching it.

The only teams left from the Big East were UConn, Cinci, USF and a recently added Temple from the MAC. You say those teams would never join CUSA? Look at where their AAC conf mates came from-

- ECU (CUSA)
- Hou (CUSA)
- Mem (CUSA)
- SMU (CUSA)
- Tulane (CUSA)
- Tulsa (CUSA)
- UCF (CUSA)
- Navy (Ind)

newsflash: the AAC is CUSA + BE leftovers.

Most of those schools were already in transit and were in the Big East by the time the split happened and the football side left the power tier. And except in rare circumstances, once a school leaves a conference, they generally don't go back. No chance any of the former CUSA schools would have seriously considered returning; it would have been terrible optics; in their eyes, an admission of failure and a return to a conference that wasn't what it used to be.

How much is being paid annually by ESPN to each Sunbelt university and what exposure on their major channels other than computer ESPN 3. I heard former Sunbelt commissioner Wright Waters locked the Sunbelt into an annual tv contract through 2020 of approximately $50,000 per school. Is that true or false? The Sunbelt is on the rise and deserves more than this!

"Should the middle of the pack G5 conferences cannibalize the Sun Belt to form a G4?"

Or how about we let the economy and natural selection begin to cull the herd so that we get down to somewhere between 80-100 FBS teams like it should be?

(11-04-2015 05:49 PM)Cyniclone Wrote:  

(11-04-2015 04:43 PM)perimeterpost Wrote:  

(11-04-2015 03:19 PM)Cyniclone Wrote:  

(11-04-2015 02:49 PM)perimeterpost Wrote:  the concept is right, the timing is wrong.

What should have happened was the WAC and Big East undesirables should have been absorbed by the MAC, MWC, CUSA and SBC. Instead, the AAC was formed which resulted in the need to call up an entire conference worth of FCS teams, diluting the non-P5 conference pool.

It's too late now.

The WAC would have happened no matter what. The Big East, however, was always going to have a core. None of their schools would show any interest in moving from a onetime BCS conference to CUSA or the MAC. Maybe Houston and SMU kick the tires with the Mountain West, but I think even that's stretching it.

The only teams left from the Big East were UConn, Cinci, USF and a recently added Temple from the MAC. You say those teams would never join CUSA? Look at where their AAC conf mates came from-

- ECU (CUSA)
- Hou (CUSA)
- Mem (CUSA)
- SMU (CUSA)
- Tulane (CUSA)
- Tulsa (CUSA)
- UCF (CUSA)
- Navy (Ind)

newsflash: the AAC is CUSA + BE leftovers.

Most of those schools were already in transit and were in the Big East by the time the split happened and the football side left the power tier. And except in rare circumstances, once a school leaves a conference, they generally don't go back. No chance any of the former CUSA schools would have seriously considered returning; it would have been terrible optics; in their eyes, an admission of failure and a return to a conference that wasn't what it used to be.

no, there was never a point time when any of the schools on the list above were "in transit" to the Big East when it was still an AQ(P5) conference.

(11-04-2015 10:18 AM)shizzle787 Wrote:  The money would be split 4 ways instead of 5.

To the MW: Idaho, New Mexico State (both football-only)

To the MAC: Appalachian State, Georgia Southern, South Alabama, Coastal Carolina (all sports)

To C-USA: Arkansas State, Texas State (all sports)


Georgia State, Troy, and the two Louisianas are forced to go independent.

So what if its divided 4 ways? Its still the same number of schools. The difference is basically zilch.

(11-04-2015 07:03 PM)perimeterpost Wrote:  

(11-04-2015 05:49 PM)Cyniclone Wrote:  

(11-04-2015 04:43 PM)perimeterpost Wrote:  

(11-04-2015 03:19 PM)Cyniclone Wrote:  

(11-04-2015 02:49 PM)perimeterpost Wrote:  the concept is right, the timing is wrong.

What should have happened was the WAC and Big East undesirables should have been absorbed by the MAC, MWC, CUSA and SBC. Instead, the AAC was formed which resulted in the need to call up an entire conference worth of FCS teams, diluting the non-P5 conference pool.

It's too late now.

The WAC would have happened no matter what. The Big East, however, was always going to have a core. None of their schools would show any interest in moving from a onetime BCS conference to CUSA or the MAC. Maybe Houston and SMU kick the tires with the Mountain West, but I think even that's stretching it.

The only teams left from the Big East were UConn, Cinci, USF and a recently added Temple from the MAC. You say those teams would never join CUSA? Look at where their AAC conf mates came from-

- ECU (CUSA)
- Hou (CUSA)
- Mem (CUSA)
- SMU (CUSA)
- Tulane (CUSA)
- Tulsa (CUSA)
- UCF (CUSA)
- Navy (Ind)

newsflash: the AAC is CUSA + BE leftovers.

Most of those schools were already in transit and were in the Big East by the time the split happened and the football side left the power tier. And except in rare circumstances, once a school leaves a conference, they generally don't go back. No chance any of the former CUSA schools would have seriously considered returning; it would have been terrible optics; in their eyes, an admission of failure and a return to a conference that wasn't what it used to be.

no, there was never a point time when any of the schools on the list above were "in transit" to the Big East when it was still an AQ(P5) conference.

The Big East/AAC's last season as an AQ conference was 2013. Central Florida won the conference title and went to the Fiesta Bowl. Of the CUSA teams that migrated, only ECU, Tulane and Tulsa were not part of the Big East/AAC as an AQ conference.

If you're saying the Big East and AAC are distinct entities, I'd argue that it's a distinction without a difference, since the AAC obviously is the spiritual successor to the Big East football conference.

First its not a mil per school its one mil per school up to 12. So adding to 14 doesnt bring in extra money. Also the left over sbc teams simply add more fcs back to a survivable conference.