Memphis getting their a$$es kicked, 45-20. Suck it Memphis trolls,

I believe what just happened to MSU is referred to as "karma". Some non-calls have helped them secure wins this year and now a blown one ends their season.

Meanwhile, Alabama is kicking LSU's @ss.

LSU looks horrible, hate BAMA.

(11-07-2015 10:53 PM)Coopdaddy67 Wrote:  I believe what just happened to MSU is referred to as "karma". Some non-calls have helped them secure wins this year and now a blown one ends their season.

Wouldn't call their season over. Beating OSU and winning B10 with 1 loss would probably put them in playoffs. But I don't think they're very good.

(11-07-2015 09:59 PM)jarr Wrote:  Good for Navy. This league had been pretty good this year, and our Bearcats have had nothing to do with that unfortunately. Who would have thought we would be the 5th or 6th team in the league this year, with probably the best talent.

I'm beginning to question our talent level compared with other AAC leaders. The media love a great QB story and they bought in hook, line and sinker to UC's bait during the preseason. This staff can't seem to even find a serviceable kick returner among all that "talent"?

As I have posted earlier in this thread I do not see UC making a move for at least a year. At that time the buyout will be down to $1m. The other thing to consider is there will be so many P5 openings this year. Not sure if much quality will be left for us to get.

(11-07-2015 11:31 PM)RealDeal Wrote:  Wouldn't call their season over. Beating OSU and winning B10 with 1 loss would probably put them in playoffs. But I don't think they're very good.

Any 1-loss Big Ten needs serious help, as does the 1-loss Pac-12 teams.

(11-07-2015 10:53 PM)Coopdaddy67 Wrote:  I believe what just happened to MSU is referred to as "karma". Some non-calls have helped them secure wins this year and now a blown one ends their season.

Yep. Without question. Michigan State has probably benefitted more than any team in the country over the last few years when it comes to non calls going in their favor and questionable calls always going against their opponents.

(11-08-2015 08:05 AM)OKIcat Wrote:  

(11-07-2015 09:59 PM)jarr Wrote:  Good for Navy. This league had been pretty good this year, and our Bearcats have had nothing to do with that unfortunately. Who would have thought we would be the 5th or 6th team in the league this year, with probably the best talent.

I'm beginning to question our talent level compared with other AAC leaders. The media love a great QB story and they bought in hook, line and sinker to UC's bait during the preseason. This staff can't seem to even find a serviceable kick returner among all that "talent"?

I've felt this way about UC's "amazing" talent for a couple of years. IMO, we have possibly the best collection of wide receiver talent but at no other position, including QB, do we lead in talent. Possibly in potential -- probably in the pre-college accolades that surrounded Gunner but in actual performance I just don't see it. I do agree that UC does field the most consistently overachieving team in the AAC (and also the old BEast) but if an objective analysis including AA, All League, NFL and record setting/holding players etc. is analyzed it doesn't seem like UC comes out on top.

I'm not putting the team down, far from it. Recent (last 10-12 years)teams have brought and maintained a respectability that the program hasn't had since I can remember. It seems like we have fallen in love with the splashy ESPN highlight worthy players instead of looking at the key areas of both sides of the trenches and especially the defensive side of the ball. Yes, offense sells tickets but defense and particularly balance are what produce wins over Top 30 teams and bowl wins. I believe we are making progress but as a fan base we've become spoiled by the sudden and extremely high success of the BK years. Although even in our recent successful years UC teams seem to be a collection of good to very good college players combined with above average college "systems" and not an amassing of superior talent from the upper level (Top 40) CFB universe.

JMO

(11-09-2015 11:53 AM)Cal1362 Wrote:  

(11-08-2015 08:05 AM)OKIcat Wrote:  

(11-07-2015 09:59 PM)jarr Wrote:  Good for Navy. This league had been pretty good this year, and our Bearcats have had nothing to do with that unfortunately. Who would have thought we would be the 5th or 6th team in the league this year, with probably the best talent.

I'm beginning to question our talent level compared with other AAC leaders. The media love a great QB story and they bought in hook, line and sinker to UC's bait during the preseason. This staff can't seem to even find a serviceable kick returner among all that "talent"?

I've felt this way about UC's "amazing" talent for a couple of years. IMO, we have possibly the best collection of wide receiver talent but at no other position, including QB, do we lead in talent. Possibly in potential -- probably in the pre-college accolades that surrounded Gunner but in actual performance I just don't see it. I do agree that UC does field the most consistently overachieving team in the AAC (and also the old BEast) but if an objective analysis including AA, All League, NFL and record setting/holding players etc. is analyzed it doesn't seem like UC comes out on top.

I'm not putting the team down, far from it. Recent (last 10-12 years)teams have brought and maintained a respectability that the program hasn't had since I can remember. It seems like we have fallen in love with the splashy ESPN highlight worthy players instead of looking at the key areas of both sides of the trenches and especially the defensive side of the ball. Yes, offense sells tickets but defense and particularly balance are what produce wins over Top 30 teams and bowl wins. I believe we are making progress but as a fan base we've become spoiled by the sudden and extremely high success of the BK years. Although even in our recent successful years UC teams seem to be a collection of good to very good college players combined with above average college "systems" and not an amassing of superior talent from the upper level (Top 40) CFB universe.

JMO

I'm not sure we have 'amazing' talent nor are many people suggesting we do. We have a hyped up QB (fairly or unfairly), a group of very good WRs, a very talented stable of RBs and an experienced OL. The defense is a different matter. But when you look across the conference, the rest of the league doesn't have anything close to 'amazing' talent. They generally have a couple of very good players and a bunch of role players that execute their game plans very well. And, most importantly, the top teams have very good coaches. As UC fans, we got used to winning games where our talent was equivalent or even lesser. Now, we're only winning games where our talent is clearly superior (save the Miami, FL dumpster fire this year) and playing close games against clearly inferior teams (see the last 3 Miami, OH games) or even losing (see Illinois and USF in 2013).

I think most fans feel better coaching would be the variable that would help us win more games. Of course, bringing in elite talent would probably also help that too but most UC fans feel top notch coaching is probably easier for us to obtain than top tier talent across the board.

I'm now rooting twice as hard for MSU v tO$U

(11-09-2015 12:59 PM)Crewdogz Wrote:  I'm now rooting twice as hard for MSU v tO$U

I can't see them losing to Maryland or Penn State, so I pretty much have to root for OSU so Michigan is playing for the Big Ten East title.

I need a shower.

(11-09-2015 12:56 PM)Racinejake Wrote:  

(11-09-2015 11:53 AM)Cal1362 Wrote:  

(11-08-2015 08:05 AM)OKIcat Wrote:  

(11-07-2015 09:59 PM)jarr Wrote:  Good for Navy. This league had been pretty good this year, and our Bearcats have had nothing to do with that unfortunately. Who would have thought we would be the 5th or 6th team in the league this year, with probably the best talent.

I'm beginning to question our talent level compared with other AAC leaders. The media love a great QB story and they bought in hook, line and sinker to UC's bait during the preseason. This staff can't seem to even find a serviceable kick returner among all that "talent"?

I've felt this way about UC's "amazing" talent for a couple of years. IMO, we have possibly the best collection of wide receiver talent but at no other position, including QB, do we lead in talent. Possibly in potential -- probably in the pre-college accolades that surrounded Gunner but in actual performance I just don't see it. I do agree that UC does field the most consistently overachieving team in the AAC (and also the old BEast) but if an objective analysis including AA, All League, NFL and record setting/holding players etc. is analyzed it doesn't seem like UC comes out on top.

I'm not putting the team down, far from it. Recent (last 10-12 years)teams have brought and maintained a respectability that the program hasn't had since I can remember. It seems like we have fallen in love with the splashy ESPN highlight worthy players instead of looking at the key areas of both sides of the trenches and especially the defensive side of the ball. Yes, offense sells tickets but defense and particularly balance are what produce wins over Top 30 teams and bowl wins. I believe we are making progress but as a fan base we've become spoiled by the sudden and extremely high success of the BK years. Although even in our recent successful years UC teams seem to be a collection of good to very good college players combined with above average college "systems" and not an amassing of superior talent from the upper level (Top 40) CFB universe.

JMO

I'm not sure we have 'amazing' talent nor are many people suggesting we do. We have a hyped up QB (fairly or unfairly), a group of very good WRs, a very talented stable of RBs and an experienced OL. The defense is a different matter. But when you look across the conference, the rest of the league doesn't have anything close to 'amazing' talent. They generally have a couple of very good players and a bunch of role players that execute their game plans very well. And, most importantly, the top teams have very good coaches. As UC fans, we got used to winning games where our talent was equivalent or even lesser. Now, we're only winning games where our talent is clearly superior (save the Miami, FL dumpster fire this year) and playing close games against clearly inferior teams (see the last 3 Miami, OH games) or even losing (see Illinois and USF in 2013).

I think most fans feel better coaching would be the variable that would help us win more games. Of course, bringing in elite talent would probably also help that too but most UC fans feel top notch coaching is probably easier for us to obtain than top tier talent across the board.

Maybe "amazing" was too strong a word. But at the beginning of several of the recent seasons and more importantly at the end, UC fans on this board consistently talk about how we have "the most talented ever at UC", so and so being a 1st or 2nd round draft choice worthy, how are players are 2* or 3* only because they chose UC but if they had chosen a more established school they would be 3* or 4* etc. etc. Again, I'm not picking at our players - I think they are very very good but we tend to view them through hometown/home school rose colored glasses many times. Is part of it coaching and development? Probably. Is part of it the fact that UC often is starting with lesser polished talent? Definitely. I believe UC should challenge for a league championship 90% of years based on the leagues we've been in. Does that translate to Top 20 rankings or multiple draft picks most years? Not yet... hopefully one day. The AAC, although having a great year, is not yet ready to challenge any of the Big 5 leagues just yet. If the league can put together 2 or 3 consistent years like this one then my opinion will change. The AAC will continue to "shock the world" like Memphis did, like Temple almost did, like hopefully Navy can do, like UC can hopefully start to do. Let's hope that UC's talent and more importantly performance and execution rises to meet the increasing talent level.