I'm done. I have nothing good to say about the CAA. Every single week. Phantom call after phantom call after phantom call.

Move to the big south for all I care. Done with the CAA.

(10-31-2015 07:15 PM)jmu007 Wrote:  I'm done. I have nothing good to say about the CAA. Every single week. Phantom call after phantom call after phantom call.

Move to the big south for all I care. Done with the CAA.

007, while I do understand your thoughts, I was watching the Tech game earlier today, and those officials were worse than those tonight if that is even possible. There was a play in the forth quarter where Tech clearly fumbled, not even close, BC recovered and scampered towards the endzone. Because the whistle had blown it wasn't even reviewable and Tech retained possession. Probably the worst call I have ever witnessed.

I'm just trying to understand how you can't call the play in the first half as being a touchback. You can't call a player down if he never has control of the ball.

The misse touchback was one of the worst calls I've seen this year. Obvious fumble, then obvious fumble out of the endzone. And they say he was down at the 1? Just pathetic.

(10-31-2015 07:32 PM)bridgeforthduke Wrote:  I'm just trying to understand how you can't call the play in the first half as being a touchback. You can't call a player down if he never has control of the ball.

While that was a very weird situation, that did not cause the loss. The very first missed extra point had more to do with our losing than that play. Then we followed it up with 99 more blocked kicks. Then we had a KO go out of bounds. Then you can look at a couple of fumbles we should have simply fallen on. Finally, our defense is terrible.

Refs didn't blow this game... we did.
Terrible calls? Absolutely, but terrible calls happen all over the NCAA.
We had 2 blocked extra points returned for scores. Let me repeat... We had TWO BLOCKED EXTRA POINTS RETURNED FOR SCORES! Not to mention a third blocked extra point that was thankfully not returned. That's a 7 point swing.
Refs had nothing to do with allowing almost 5 yards per carry. Refs had nothing to do with allowing open passes after open pass. Refs had nothing to do with missing tackles. Refs had nothing to do with high snap over high snap.
Blaming the refs is just letting our team off the hook. They didn't deserve to win... plain and simple.

(10-31-2015 07:55 PM)JMad03 Wrote:  Refs didn't blow this game... we did.
Terrible calls? Absolutely, but terrible calls happen all over the NCAA.
We had 2 blocked extra points returned for scores. Let me repeat... We had TWO BLOCKED EXTRA POINTS RETURNED FOR SCORES! Not to mention a third blocked extra point that was thankfully not returned. That's a 7 point swing.
Refs had nothing to do with allowing almost 5 yards per carry. Refs had nothing to do with allowing open passes after open pass. Refs had nothing to do with missing tackles. Refs had nothing to do with high snap over high snap.
Blaming the refs is just letting our team off the hook. They didn't deserve to win... plain and simple.

Is my memory that bad. I thought that second one got called back due to a penalty on the Tribe????

(10-31-2015 07:15 PM)jmu007 Wrote:  I'm done. I have nothing good to say about the CAA. Every single week. Phantom call after phantom call after phantom call.

Move to the big south for all I care. Done with the CAA.

Bourne loves the CAA

(10-31-2015 08:37 PM)South Carolina Duke Wrote:  

(10-31-2015 07:15 PM)jmu007 Wrote:  I'm done. I have nothing good to say about the CAA. Every single week. Phantom call after phantom call after phantom call.

Move to the big south for all I care. Done with the CAA.

Bourne loves the CAA

No... Alger loves the CAA.

I think what they love is not having to worry about their paycheck. Neither puts JMU first.

(10-31-2015 08:30 PM)BleedingPurple Wrote:  

(10-31-2015 07:55 PM)JMad03 Wrote:  Refs didn't blow this game... we did.
Terrible calls? Absolutely, but terrible calls happen all over the NCAA.
We had 2 blocked extra points returned for scores. Let me repeat... We had TWO BLOCKED EXTRA POINTS RETURNED FOR SCORES! Not to mention a third blocked extra point that was thankfully not returned. That's a 7 point swing.
Refs had nothing to do with allowing almost 5 yards per carry. Refs had nothing to do with allowing open passes after open pass. Refs had nothing to do with missing tackles. Refs had nothing to do with high snap over high snap.
Blaming the refs is just letting our team off the hook. They didn't deserve to win... plain and simple.

Is my memory that bad. I thought that second one got called back due to a penalty on the Tribe????

Apparently mine is. I was so mad I never saw that one being called back. I honestly had no idea.

(10-31-2015 07:50 PM)BleedingPurple Wrote:  

(10-31-2015 07:32 PM)bridgeforthduke Wrote:  I'm just trying to understand how you can't call the play in the first half as being a touchback. You can't call a player down if he never has control of the ball.

While that was a very weird situation, that did not cause the loss. The very first missed extra point had more to do with our losing than that play. Then we followed it up with 99 more blocked kicks. Then we had a KO go out of bounds. Then you can look at a couple of fumbles we should have simply fallen on. Finally, our defense is terrible.

Don't forget the stupid penalties. Had we cut that penalty situation in half, we would have won the game going away.

(10-31-2015 09:31 PM)bulldogg Wrote:  

(10-31-2015 07:50 PM)BleedingPurple Wrote:  

(10-31-2015 07:32 PM)bridgeforthduke Wrote:  I'm just trying to understand how you can't call the play in the first half as being a touchback. You can't call a player down if he never has control of the ball.

While that was a very weird situation, that did not cause the loss. The very first missed extra point had more to do with our losing than that play. Then we followed it up with 99 more blocked kicks. Then we had a KO go out of bounds. Then you can look at a couple of fumbles we should have simply fallen on. Finally, our defense is terrible.

Don't forget the stupid penalties. Had we cut that penalty situation in half, we would have won the game going away.

Oh yes, we had one play that went for like 10,000 yards that got called back.

CAA refs decided this game. If you say otherwise, you didn't watch the play at the end of the first half. You can't have possession to down a ball and lose it in .2 seconds. You have to POSESS the ball. Knees down don't matter.......you must establish possession.


CAA refs don't know the fb rules.

(10-31-2015 11:12 PM)JMU2004 Wrote:  CAA refs decided this game. If you say otherwise, you didn't watch the play at the end of the first half. You can't have possession to down a ball and lose it in .2 seconds. You have to POSESS the ball. Knees down don't matter.......you must establish possession.


CAA refs don't know the fb rules.

I'll give you that it was questionable that WM had possession with a knee down before the ball subsequently went through the end zone. I would also argue that Cardon was down well before extending the ball into the end zone on 4th and goal for JMU's first TD. In a close game either side can complain about one play here or the refs. These things generally even out if your objective. Own that your team lost and stop blaming others.

BTW, pretty impressed by Schor. He played very well for a guy making his first collegiate start. I suspect JMU will win out and make some noise yet in playoffs. Might actually be enjoyable for the JMU fans that don't think they're too goof for FCS or the CAA.

(10-31-2015 11:29 PM)WMTribe90 Wrote:  

(10-31-2015 11:12 PM)JMU2004 Wrote:  CAA refs decided this game. If you say otherwise, you didn't watch the play at the end of the first half. You can't have possession to down a ball and lose it in .2 seconds. You have to POSESS the ball. Knees down don't matter.......you must establish possession.


CAA refs don't know the fb rules.

I'll give you that it was questionable that WM had possession with a knee down before the ball subsequently went through the end zone. I would also argue that Cardon was down well before extending the ball into the end zone on 4th and goal for JMU's first TD. In a close game either side can complain about one play here or the refs. These things generally even out if your objective. Own that your team lost and stop blaming others.

BTW, pretty impressed by Schor. He played very well for a guy making his first collegiate start. I suspect JMU will win out and make some noise yet in playoffs. Might actually be enjoyable for the JMU fans that don't think they're too goof for FCS or the CAA.

Uh-huh! Here's hoping we meet you trash collectors somewhere in the playoffs, with an officiating crew from ANY other conference. High school refs would be better.

(10-31-2015 11:29 PM)WMTribe90 Wrote:  

(10-31-2015 11:12 PM)JMU2004 Wrote:  CAA refs decided this game. If you say otherwise, you didn't watch the play at the end of the first half. You can't have possession to down a ball and lose it in .2 seconds. You have to POSESS the ball. Knees down don't matter.......you must establish possession.


CAA refs don't know the fb rules.

I'll give you that it was questionable that WM had possession with a knee down before the ball subsequently went through the end zone. I would also argue that Cardon was down well before extending the ball into the end zone on 4th and goal for JMU's first TD. In a close game either side can complain about one play here or the refs. These things generally even out if your objective. Own that your team lost and stop blaming others.

BTW, pretty impressed by Schor. He played very well for a guy making his first collegiate start. I suspect JMU will win out and make some noise yet in playoffs. Might actually be enjoyable for the JMU fans that don't think they're too goof for FCS or the CAA.

That's weak.

One call was obvious. One was in a pile.

When the TV replay shows it from different angles, there is little room for argument. Possession doesn't start/stop with a knee down, especially when trying to advance the ball for a score.

The CAA is untenable. The JMU fan base hates the CAA and the CAA, rightfully so, is increasingly hating on JMU because we are pulling away in spend and facilities...

Bourne and Alger have their backs to the wall...Bourne gets it, Alger does not because the issues are not printed in a book he can study and then take a quiz proving he gets it...

This teams mantra from here on out? From the great movie Remember the Titans - "Leave no doubt!!!"

(10-31-2015 07:48 PM)DBJMU2006 Wrote:  The misse touchback was one of the worst calls I've seen this year. Obvious fumble, then obvious fumble out of the endzone. And they say he was down at the 1? Just pathetic.

Agree, worst call i have ever seen and what makes it worse is you have instant replay to fix it and then come up with some weird compromise call.

I think it was clearly a fumble into and out of the endzone with no control.

I could see the refs botching it and keeping the TD call, wrong but i could see that happening with CAA refs. But what they did end up ruling was just plain incompetent.