(10-29-2015 11:39 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(10-29-2015 07:35 AM)shiftyeagle Wrote:  

(10-29-2015 06:35 AM)dfarr Wrote:  

(10-28-2015 12:10 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(10-28-2015 11:52 AM)dfarr Wrote:  There are none other than the myriad of mental health issues and rectal tears.

People like you are why we need Planned Parenthood. If you really are a Nurse Practitioner

You obviously are unfit to treat any member of the Gay community as you think that HIV prevention is about 'rectal tears' or a meningitis outbreak in Miami's gay community is about 'mental health issues'. I don't need an AIDS test every time I go in for a cold. Its a waste of money and doesn't solve my medical issues.

I seriously fear for the health of any Gay man that has the misfortune to be assigned you as a care provider. And by the way, I actually mean it. Seriously, consider doing something else for a living.

And biases like yours are far too common amongst persons in the medical community. Just because there are ethics rules, doesn't mean that people follow them.

You are why Planned Parenthood needs to stay open.

Where did I say anything about HIV prevention? If that's the only health concern for the gays then they really don't need any specialists. HIV is easy to prevent: don't have homosexual sex or share needles. That lowers your risk in the USA dramatically.

Also, there is no AIDS test. AIDS is a syndrome, a cluster of signs/symptoms caused by HIV. People are typically diagnosed with AIDS once their cd4 count get too low, their viral load gets too high, or they get an opportunistic infection that is basically isolated to the HIV+ patient like PCP, kaposi's sarcoma, toxoplasmosis, cryptococcal meningitis. So, if your doc tests you for AIDS, then yes I would go to another doctor. However, if he regularly tests you for HIV then he is doing his job since you participate in behaviors that increase your risk of HIV.

As far as truvada, my degree is in adult acute care, thus I don't deal with preventative, so I don't need to know about it. As far as I'm concerned an HIV+ patient is the same as a transplant patient: both are immunocompromised. Their sexuality has nothing to do with their active disease.

Also, truvada seems to have allowed an increase in stds in the gay community.
https://www.yahoo.com/health/truvada-stu...81334.html

Having specialists for the gay community makes as much sense as having specialists for the smoking community. Both are behaviors which can lead to preventable health problems, but they don't genetically or biologically predisposed you to any certain disease.

Ignoring/marginalizing the health needs of the LGBT community, or dismissing them as freaks, or judging them happened before. It turned out very badly for everyone.

Good thing no one did that then.

The facts are the facts. The gay community, as a result of their lifestyle choices, has insanely high STD rates and other health problems. Life expectancy is extremely low relative to the heterosexual populace. I really don't want to have to show the CDC studies I've posted on here AGAIN, but let me know if it's necessary. Homosexual acts, when combined with the lack of monogamy in the community, leads to these circumstances.

However, these diseases/viruses are not exclusive to the gay community of course....therefore I don't understand why there needs to be special doctors for gays. That implies special treatment rather than equality doesn't it?

Really high STD rates? Yes. Exclusivity? No.

(10-29-2015 11:40 AM)200yrs2late Wrote:  

(10-29-2015 11:25 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(10-29-2015 06:35 AM)dfarr Wrote:  Where did I say anything about HIV prevention? If that's the only health concern for the gays then they really don't need any specialists. HIV is easy to prevent: don't have homosexual sex or share needles. That lowers your risk in the USA dramatically.

Also, there is no AIDS test. AIDS is a syndrome, a cluster of signs/symptoms caused by HIV. People are typically diagnosed with AIDS once their cd4 count get too low, their viral load gets too high, or they get an opportunistic infection that is basically isolated to the HIV+ patient like PCP, kaposi's sarcoma, toxoplasmosis, cryptococcal meningitis. So, if your doc tests you for AIDS, then yes I would go to another doctor. However, if he regularly tests you for HIV then he is doing his job since you participate in behaviors that increase your risk of HIV.

As far as truvada, my degree is in adult acute care, thus I don't deal with preventative, so I don't need to know about it. As far as I'm concerned an HIV+ patient is the same as a transplant patient: both are immunocompromised. Their sexuality has nothing to do with their active disease.

Also, truvada seems to have allowed an increase in stds in the gay community.
https://www.yahoo.com/health/truvada-stu...81334.html

Having specialists for the gay community makes as much sense as having specialists for the smoking community. Both are behaviors which can lead to preventable health problems, but they don't genetically or biologically predisposed you to any certain disease.

You are unfit to be a medical professional. I fear for the health of any Gay person unfortunate enough to have you as a medical care giver.

I'm not talking smack here. I really think you're a danger to the health of your patients.

Also, thanks for playing the 'if you have Gay sex, you deserve AIDS' card. What is this..1983? You certainly aren't an expert on LGBT Health Issues. You couldn't be further from it.

I'm sorry but your obvious bias and bad attitude towards LGBT persons makes you unfit for your profession IMHO. Please find something else to do.

You are exhibit A as to why we need Gay specialists. Ending up with someone like you is precisely the fear. And why its vital that Gay persons have access to affordable medical care that isn't bigoted and refuses to provide reasonable answers and medical advice. Planned Parenthood fits that role nicely.

It would be nicer if everyone had access to PPO plans. But that's not possible in Texas.

I didn't see him say any gay person deserved AIDS. You're getting pretty close to making personal attacks here.

Oh yeah, why do you capitalize 'gay'?

AIDS prevention is not telling Gay men to not have sex. That implies that if Gay men get AIDS they deserved it for having sex.

Telling Gay men that sex is wrong is not viable. Gay men, like straight men are not life long celibates.

I stand by my statement. His argument is basically "use drugs or have Gay sex (and implicitly linking the two - which is hateful too) and get AIDS". Get means deserve IMHO.

This was precisely the 'they deserved it for having Gay sex' attitude that was behind the 5 year funding block HIV/AIDS research that contributed to a bad outbreak becoming a 35million person killer.

There's a history here. Whether dfarr is aware of it or not, he's certainly feeding it.

Do you want to go to a nurse that tries to blame you for being sick rather than treat you? Or who doesn't want to prevent sickness because its easier to just judge them for having sex outside of your religious dictates?

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At any rate, I stand by my assertion. It wasn't direct, but it certainly was implied. And furthermore, that exact same attitude has been used against our community before in heath issues, with catastrophic results.

Preventative health is called preventative for a reason. Like the doctor telling me that I should not go outside without a jacket when its cold because I might get sick. Its called prevention. Same thing, not to have sex without protection because I might get an STD. Its called prevention. You arent the only one that gets that Tom, because its called PREVENTATIVE HEALTH! You arent special Tom.

(10-29-2015 11:48 AM)shiftyeagle Wrote:  

(10-29-2015 11:39 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(10-29-2015 07:35 AM)shiftyeagle Wrote:  

(10-29-2015 06:35 AM)dfarr Wrote:  

(10-28-2015 12:10 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  People like you are why we need Planned Parenthood. If you really are a Nurse Practitioner

You obviously are unfit to treat any member of the Gay community as you think that HIV prevention is about 'rectal tears' or a meningitis outbreak in Miami's gay community is about 'mental health issues'. I don't need an AIDS test every time I go in for a cold. Its a waste of money and doesn't solve my medical issues.

I seriously fear for the health of any Gay man that has the misfortune to be assigned you as a care provider. And by the way, I actually mean it. Seriously, consider doing something else for a living.

And biases like yours are far too common amongst persons in the medical community. Just because there are ethics rules, doesn't mean that people follow them.

You are why Planned Parenthood needs to stay open.

Where did I say anything about HIV prevention? If that's the only health concern for the gays then they really don't need any specialists. HIV is easy to prevent: don't have homosexual sex or share needles. That lowers your risk in the USA dramatically.

Also, there is no AIDS test. AIDS is a syndrome, a cluster of signs/symptoms caused by HIV. People are typically diagnosed with AIDS once their cd4 count get too low, their viral load gets too high, or they get an opportunistic infection that is basically isolated to the HIV+ patient like PCP, kaposi's sarcoma, toxoplasmosis, cryptococcal meningitis. So, if your doc tests you for AIDS, then yes I would go to another doctor. However, if he regularly tests you for HIV then he is doing his job since you participate in behaviors that increase your risk of HIV.

As far as truvada, my degree is in adult acute care, thus I don't deal with preventative, so I don't need to know about it. As far as I'm concerned an HIV+ patient is the same as a transplant patient: both are immunocompromised. Their sexuality has nothing to do with their active disease.

Also, truvada seems to have allowed an increase in stds in the gay community.
https://www.yahoo.com/health/truvada-stu...81334.html

Having specialists for the gay community makes as much sense as having specialists for the smoking community. Both are behaviors which can lead to preventable health problems, but they don't genetically or biologically predisposed you to any certain disease.

Ignoring/marginalizing the health needs of the LGBT community, or dismissing them as freaks, or judging them happened before. It turned out very badly for everyone.

Good thing no one did that then.

The facts are the facts. The gay community, as a result of their lifestyle choices, has insanely high STD rates and other health problems. Life expectancy is extremely low relative to the heterosexual populace. I really don't want to have to show the CDC studies I've posted on here AGAIN, but let me know if it's necessary. Homosexual acts, when combined with the lack of monogamy in the community, leads to these circumstances.

However, these diseases/viruses are not exclusive to the gay community of course....therefore I don't understand why there needs to be special doctors for gays. That implies special treatment rather than equality doesn't it?

Really high STD rates? Yes. Exclusivity? No.

If there are specific issues that are pertinent to a certain community, then it makes sense to ensure that those treating the community

1) Know what's going on in the community (and dfarr doesn't, neither do you, and neither do MOST DOCTORS).
2) Actually are able to communicate effectively with that community (and if you judge from a place of bias or ignorance, you won't get there)
3) Actually are willing to help the community and want to see it succeed (and not in becoming straight or living a celebate and miserable lifestyle).

There are problems in my community. They can't be summed up by 'rectal tears'/buttsex and 'mental health issues'. Its offensive to do so.

Again, I don't think that most well meaning medical professionals do a good job at 1 and 2. Unfortunately, there are far too many that aren't even well meaning towards our community.

Either way, its vital that we retain health services in a supportive environment. In the no PPO world, Planned Parenthood is a place to supplement defective health care.

Defective health care.

I love it. Dude is out in left field for sure....

(10-29-2015 11:25 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(10-29-2015 06:35 AM)dfarr Wrote:  

(10-28-2015 12:10 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(10-28-2015 11:52 AM)dfarr Wrote:  

(10-28-2015 11:46 AM)200yrs2late Wrote:  What are some of the special health issues for lesbians and gays?

There are none other than the myriad of mental health issues and rectal tears.

People like you are why we need Planned Parenthood. If you really are a Nurse Practitioner

You obviously are unfit to treat any member of the Gay community as you think that HIV prevention is about 'rectal tears' or a meningitis outbreak in Miami's gay community is about 'mental health issues'. I don't need an AIDS test every time I go in for a cold. Its a waste of money and doesn't solve my medical issues.

I seriously fear for the health of any Gay man that has the misfortune to be assigned you as a care provider. And by the way, I actually mean it. Seriously, consider doing something else for a living.

And biases like yours are far too common amongst persons in the medical community. Just because there are ethics rules, doesn't mean that people follow them.

You are why Planned Parenthood needs to stay open.

Where did I say anything about HIV prevention? If that's the only health concern for the gays then they really don't need any specialists. HIV is easy to prevent: don't have homosexual sex or share needles. That lowers your risk in the USA dramatically.

Also, there is no AIDS test. AIDS is a syndrome, a cluster of signs/symptoms caused by HIV. People are typically diagnosed with AIDS once their cd4 count get too low, their viral load gets too high, or they get an opportunistic infection that is basically isolated to the HIV+ patient like PCP, kaposi's sarcoma, toxoplasmosis, cryptococcal meningitis. So, if your doc tests you for AIDS, then yes I would go to another doctor. However, if he regularly tests you for HIV then he is doing his job since you participate in behaviors that increase your risk of HIV.

As far as truvada, my degree is in adult acute care, thus I don't deal with preventative, so I don't need to know about it. As far as I'm concerned an HIV+ patient is the same as a transplant patient: both are immunocompromised. Their sexuality has nothing to do with their active disease.

Also, truvada seems to have allowed an increase in stds in the gay community.
https://www.yahoo.com/health/truvada-stu...81334.html

Having specialists for the gay community makes as much sense as having specialists for the smoking community. Both are behaviors which can lead to preventable health problems, but they don't genetically or biologically predisposed you to any certain disease.

You summed up all LGBT health issues as 'rectal tears' and 'mental health issues'. You went there.

You are unfit to be a medical professional. I fear for the health of any Gay person unfortunate enough to have you as a medical care giver.

I'm not talking smack here. I really think you're a danger to the health of your patients.

Also, thanks for playing the 'if you have Gay sex, you deserve AIDS' card. What is this..1983? You certainly aren't an expert on LGBT Health Issues. You couldn't be further from it.

I'm sorry but your obvious bias and bad attitude towards LGBT persons makes you unfit for your profession IMHO. Please find something else to do.

You are exhibit A as to why we need Gay specialists. Ending up with someone like you is precisely the fear. And why its vital that Gay persons have access to affordable medical care that isn't bigoted/refuses to provide reasonable answers and medical advice. Planned Parenthood fits that role nicely.

It would be nicer if everyone had access to PPO plans. But that's not possible in Texas.

Saw a nice lesbian lady this morning. My devoutly evangelical Christian boss and I scheduled her for surgery Monday. I didn't even have to order an AIDS test either.

Will someone please point out where I said that gays deserve to get AIDS? I don't remember typing anything like that. I'm willing to bet that I've even been around more HIV+ people than Tom has. I don't treat them differently. I treat them the same as my hetero patients because they don't need special treatment.

(10-29-2015 11:01 AM)Paul M Wrote:  You're incorrect statement was "no crime has been shown to have occurred" not that there hadn't been arrests or charges.

Right...but neither I nor you are qualified to say what is and what isn't a crime.

Therefore, until I see someone in cuffs or charges being filed, no crimes have been committed as far as I'm concerned.

Just talking about something doesn't mean something illegal happened.

Quote 1 of yours

Where did I say anything about HIV prevention? If that's the only health concern for the gays then they really don't need any specialists. HIV is easy to prevent: don't have homosexual sex or share needles. That lowers your risk in the USA dramatically.

SHORTER ANSWER. BEING GAY IS JUST LIKE BEING A NEEDLE SHARING JUNKIE. PREVENTION OF HIV FOR GAY MEN ADVICE...DON'T HAVE GAY SEX!

Implied in that is " If you have Gay sex, you get what you deserve"

Seriously. You just summed up HIV prevention advice for Gay men as "Don't be Gay". Not wear a condom. Not "I of course support Gay marriage equality as to support monogamy". But, just don't have sex. Ever. Yea. That's 1983.

Quote 2 of yours

There are none (Gay health issues) other than the myriad of mental health issues and rectal tears.

Gee thanks dfarr. Sorry if I still think you're biased against Gay folk.

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I'm sure you give the amount of care to LGBT persons that your and your boss think people like us deserve from the majority. And no, you can not tell us...healthcare discrimination against LGBT persons doesn't happen. It does, it did, and it contributed to a health care catastrophe in our community.

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I'd be very concerned about your ability to provide quality care for a member of our community. You don't respect our community. You just summed up our entire community's health care needs as 'rectal tears and mental health issues'.

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I get that outsiders (especially those who grew up in cohorts where being Gay was seen as sick) might not understand that there is such a thing as a Gay community, but one exists. Its more than sex. We tend to congregate together and patronize the same venues.

Furthermore, there are ongoing debates in our community about certain medical issues. Most notably PrEP. Medical professionals that have credibility in the community can actually discuss this with their clients. If you simply think we should abstain from sex, or we're all needle injecting junkies, or our entire health care issues can be summed up by buttsex...well then, you're not going to be credible.

Forgive me if I question your fairness. You've given me every reason to question it
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If you guys are trying to make the argument that LGBT persons don't need to see specialists that understand the LGBT community...some of y'all are making a terrible case.

(10-29-2015 01:11 PM)MonarchManiac Wrote:  Defective health care.

I love it. Dude is out in left field for sure....

Would you prefer ignorant health care? Or biased health care?

Either way, I'll probably have to start printing out CDC circulars to bring to my straight PCP once I lose my knowledgeable doctor. Or have to spend extra time explaining to that doctor about trends going through the community that could impact my health. Either way, having a doctor who is completely clueless about my health means that I lose a partner in health care, and am simply telling my clueless doctor what my health concerns should be.

So, in order to get health care advice where its actually a doctor telling me something that I don't already know, I'll probably have to supplement my HMO doctor with Planned Parenthood visits.

Maybe my HMO will find a doctor that isn't clueless. From my prior experience, I'm not terribly convinced.

(10-29-2015 02:08 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  Quote 1 of yours

Where did I say anything about HIV prevention? If that's the only health concern for the gays then they really don't need any specialists. HIV is easy to prevent: don't have homosexual sex or share needles. That lowers your risk in the USA dramatically.

SHORTER ANSWER. BEING GAY IS JUST LIKE BEING A NEEDLE SHARING JUNKIE. PREVENTION OF HIV FOR GAY MEN ADVICE...DON'T HAVE GAY SEX!

Implied in that is " If you have Gay sex, you get what you deserve"

Seriously. You just summed up HIV prevention advice for Gay men as "Don't be Gay". Not wear a condom. Not "I of course support Gay marriage equality as to support monogamy". But, just don't have sex. Ever. Yea. That's 1983.

Quote 2 of yours

There are none (Gay health issues) other than the myriad of mental health issues and rectal tears.

Gee thanks dfarr. Sorry if I still think you're biased against Gay folk.

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I'm sure you give the amount of care to LGBT persons that your and your boss think people like us deserve from the majority. And no, you can not tell us...healthcare discrimination against LGBT persons doesn't happen. It does, it did, and it contributed to a health care catastrophe in our community.

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I'd be very concerned about your ability to provide quality care for a member of our community. You don't respect our community. You just summed up our entire community's health care needs as 'rectal tears and mental health issues'.

----

I get that outsiders (especially those who grew up in cohorts where being Gay was seen as sick) might not understand that there is such a thing as a Gay community, but one exists. Its more than sex. We tend to congregate together and patronize the same venues.

Furthermore, there are ongoing debates in our community about certain medical issues. Most notably PrEP. Medical professionals that have credibility in the community can actually discuss this with their clients. If you simply think we should abstain from sex, or we're all needle injecting junkies, or our entire health care issues can be summed up by buttsex...well then, you're not going to be credible.

Forgive me if I question your fairness. You've given me every reason to question it
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If you guys are trying to make the argument that LGBT persons don't need to see specialists that understand the LGBT community...some of y'all are making a terrible case.

What are the two leading causes of HIV transmission in the USA? Male-male sex and sharing IV drug needles. Now just because the two are in the same sentence doesn't mean that they are equal to each other. I'm just stating the facts. I'm not the one who made the facts what they are. You are the one equating IV drug use with gay sex, not me.

The fact that you're either in denial about your "community" or just obtuse about basic medical knowledge doesn't make your opinion any less incorrect.

(10-29-2015 02:49 PM)dfarr Wrote:  

(10-29-2015 02:08 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  Quote 1 of yours

Where did I say anything about HIV prevention? If that's the only health concern for the gays then they really don't need any specialists. HIV is easy to prevent: don't have homosexual sex or share needles. That lowers your risk in the USA dramatically.

SHORTER ANSWER. BEING GAY IS JUST LIKE BEING A NEEDLE SHARING JUNKIE. PREVENTION OF HIV FOR GAY MEN ADVICE...DON'T HAVE GAY SEX!

Implied in that is " If you have Gay sex, you get what you deserve"

Seriously. You just summed up HIV prevention advice for Gay men as "Don't be Gay". Not wear a condom. Not "I of course support Gay marriage equality as to support monogamy". But, just don't have sex. Ever. Yea. That's 1983.

Quote 2 of yours

There are none (Gay health issues) other than the myriad of mental health issues and rectal tears.

Gee thanks dfarr. Sorry if I still think you're biased against Gay folk.

----

I'm sure you give the amount of care to LGBT persons that your and your boss think people like us deserve from the majority. And no, you can not tell us...healthcare discrimination against LGBT persons doesn't happen. It does, it did, and it contributed to a health care catastrophe in our community.

----

I'd be very concerned about your ability to provide quality care for a member of our community. You don't respect our community. You just summed up our entire community's health care needs as 'rectal tears and mental health issues'.

----

I get that outsiders (especially those who grew up in cohorts where being Gay was seen as sick) might not understand that there is such a thing as a Gay community, but one exists. Its more than sex. We tend to congregate together and patronize the same venues.

Furthermore, there are ongoing debates in our community about certain medical issues. Most notably PrEP. Medical professionals that have credibility in the community can actually discuss this with their clients. If you simply think we should abstain from sex, or we're all needle injecting junkies, or our entire health care issues can be summed up by buttsex...well then, you're not going to be credible.

Forgive me if I question your fairness. You've given me every reason to question it
----

If you guys are trying to make the argument that LGBT persons don't need to see specialists that understand the LGBT community...some of y'all are making a terrible case.

What are the two leading causes of HIV transmission in the USA? Male-male sex and sharing IV drug needles. Now just because the two are in the same sentence doesn't mean that they are equal to each other. I'm just stating the facts. I'm not the one who made the facts what they are. You are the one equating IV drug use with gay sex, not me.

The fact that you're either in denial about your "community" or just obtuse about basic medical knowledge doesn't make your opinion any less incorrect.

Whatever....you still haven't backed off your medical advice to Gay men worried about HIV transmission to 'stop having sex'. That's it.

And the mental health and rectal tears comments from you looked like you were trying to troll me with a flame burn, directed at me because of my sexual orientation.

Seriously? You just scored a perfect 1983 on the Ignorance about treating HIV scale.

I would question if you really hold any medical certification, but that's sadly, probably true.

You obviously don't understand the LGBT community. I wouldn't feel comfortable speaking with you about my health.

At any rate, your advice and attitude are precisely the reason why LGBT persons need to be able to have access to knowledgeable, supportive health care professionals, like those at Planned Parenthood.

(10-29-2015 05:28 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(10-29-2015 02:49 PM)dfarr Wrote:  

(10-29-2015 02:08 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  Quote 1 of yours

Where did I say anything about HIV prevention? If that's the only health concern for the gays then they really don't need any specialists. HIV is easy to prevent: don't have homosexual sex or share needles. That lowers your risk in the USA dramatically.

SHORTER ANSWER. BEING GAY IS JUST LIKE BEING A NEEDLE SHARING JUNKIE. PREVENTION OF HIV FOR GAY MEN ADVICE...DON'T HAVE GAY SEX!

Implied in that is " If you have Gay sex, you get what you deserve"

Seriously. You just summed up HIV prevention advice for Gay men as "Don't be Gay". Not wear a condom. Not "I of course support Gay marriage equality as to support monogamy". But, just don't have sex. Ever. Yea. That's 1983.

Quote 2 of yours

There are none (Gay health issues) other than the myriad of mental health issues and rectal tears.

Gee thanks dfarr. Sorry if I still think you're biased against Gay folk.

----

I'm sure you give the amount of care to LGBT persons that your and your boss think people like us deserve from the majority. And no, you can not tell us...healthcare discrimination against LGBT persons doesn't happen. It does, it did, and it contributed to a health care catastrophe in our community.

----

I'd be very concerned about your ability to provide quality care for a member of our community. You don't respect our community. You just summed up our entire community's health care needs as 'rectal tears and mental health issues'.

----

I get that outsiders (especially those who grew up in cohorts where being Gay was seen as sick) might not understand that there is such a thing as a Gay community, but one exists. Its more than sex. We tend to congregate together and patronize the same venues.

Furthermore, there are ongoing debates in our community about certain medical issues. Most notably PrEP. Medical professionals that have credibility in the community can actually discuss this with their clients. If you simply think we should abstain from sex, or we're all needle injecting junkies, or our entire health care issues can be summed up by buttsex...well then, you're not going to be credible.

Forgive me if I question your fairness. You've given me every reason to question it
----

If you guys are trying to make the argument that LGBT persons don't need to see specialists that understand the LGBT community...some of y'all are making a terrible case.

What are the two leading causes of HIV transmission in the USA? Male-male sex and sharing IV drug needles. Now just because the two are in the same sentence doesn't mean that they are equal to each other. I'm just stating the facts. I'm not the one who made the facts what they are. You are the one equating IV drug use with gay sex, not me.

The fact that you're either in denial about your "community" or just obtuse about basic medical knowledge doesn't make your opinion any less incorrect.

Whatever....you still haven't backed off your medical advice to Gay men worried about HIV transmission to 'stop having sex'. That's it.

And the mental health and rectal tears comments from you looked like you were trying to troll me with a flame burn, directed at me because of my sexual orientation.

Seriously? You just scored a perfect 1983 on the Ignorance about treating HIV scale.

I would question if you really hold any medical certification, but that's sadly, probably true.

You obviously don't understand the LGBT community. I wouldn't feel comfortable speaking with you about my health.

At any rate, your advice and attitude are precisely the reason why LGBT persons need to be able to have access to knowledgeable, supportive health care professionals, like those at Planned Parenthood.

I don't ever actually remember posting advice to gays. All I said was that the two leading causes of HIV transmission in the USA were male-male sex and iv drug use. You took that sentence and ran with it, putting words in my mouth as you often do when you throw your hissy fits.

The rectal tears mention was because one of my gay former coworkers always complained about getting them. Blame that one on a member of your own community.

Guess what, I don't treat HIV, so I really don't care what the "score" you gave me. I knew more about it when I was in grad school, but that was 4+ years ago, along with how to dose insulin and the various other primary care stuff I've forgotten.

The lgbt community, aside from the higher risk of HIV and stds, is clinically no different from anyone else, which is why I treat them just as any other patient of mine.

(10-29-2015 10:01 PM)dfarr Wrote:  

(10-29-2015 05:28 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(10-29-2015 02:49 PM)dfarr Wrote:  

(10-29-2015 02:08 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  Quote 1 of yours

Where did I say anything about HIV prevention? If that's the only health concern for the gays then they really don't need any specialists. HIV is easy to prevent: don't have homosexual sex or share needles. That lowers your risk in the USA dramatically.

SHORTER ANSWER. BEING GAY IS JUST LIKE BEING A NEEDLE SHARING JUNKIE. PREVENTION OF HIV FOR GAY MEN ADVICE...DON'T HAVE GAY SEX!

Implied in that is " If you have Gay sex, you get what you deserve"

Seriously. You just summed up HIV prevention advice for Gay men as "Don't be Gay". Not wear a condom. Not "I of course support Gay marriage equality as to support monogamy". But, just don't have sex. Ever. Yea. That's 1983.

Quote 2 of yours

There are none (Gay health issues) other than the myriad of mental health issues and rectal tears.

Gee thanks dfarr. Sorry if I still think you're biased against Gay folk.

----

I'm sure you give the amount of care to LGBT persons that your and your boss think people like us deserve from the majority. And no, you can not tell us...healthcare discrimination against LGBT persons doesn't happen. It does, it did, and it contributed to a health care catastrophe in our community.

----

I'd be very concerned about your ability to provide quality care for a member of our community. You don't respect our community. You just summed up our entire community's health care needs as 'rectal tears and mental health issues'.

----

I get that outsiders (especially those who grew up in cohorts where being Gay was seen as sick) might not understand that there is such a thing as a Gay community, but one exists. Its more than sex. We tend to congregate together and patronize the same venues.

Furthermore, there are ongoing debates in our community about certain medical issues. Most notably PrEP. Medical professionals that have credibility in the community can actually discuss this with their clients. If you simply think we should abstain from sex, or we're all needle injecting junkies, or our entire health care issues can be summed up by buttsex...well then, you're not going to be credible.

Forgive me if I question your fairness. You've given me every reason to question it
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If you guys are trying to make the argument that LGBT persons don't need to see specialists that understand the LGBT community...some of y'all are making a terrible case.

What are the two leading causes of HIV transmission in the USA? Male-male sex and sharing IV drug needles. Now just because the two are in the same sentence doesn't mean that they are equal to each other. I'm just stating the facts. I'm not the one who made the facts what they are. You are the one equating IV drug use with gay sex, not me.

The fact that you're either in denial about your "community" or just obtuse about basic medical knowledge doesn't make your opinion any less incorrect.

Whatever....you still haven't backed off your medical advice to Gay men worried about HIV transmission to 'stop having sex'. That's it.

And the mental health and rectal tears comments from you looked like you were trying to troll me with a flame burn, directed at me because of my sexual orientation.

Seriously? You just scored a perfect 1983 on the Ignorance about treating HIV scale.

I would question if you really hold any medical certification, but that's sadly, probably true.

You obviously don't understand the LGBT community. I wouldn't feel comfortable speaking with you about my health.

At any rate, your advice and attitude are precisely the reason why LGBT persons need to be able to have access to knowledgeable, supportive health care professionals, like those at Planned Parenthood.

I don't ever actually remember posting advice to gays. All I said was that the two leading causes of HIV transmission in the USA were male-male sex and iv drug use. You took that sentence and ran with it, putting words in my mouth as you often do when you throw your hissy fits.

The rectal tears mention was because one of my gay former coworkers always complained about getting them. Blame that one on a member of your own community.

Guess what, I don't treat HIV, so I really don't care what the "score" you gave me. I knew more about it when I was in grad school, but that was 4+ years ago, along with how to dose insulin and the various other primary care stuff I've forgotten.

The lgbt community, aside from the higher risk of HIV and stds, is clinically no different from anyone else, which is why I treat them just as any other patient of mine.

I have never heard of someone complaining about getting an rectal tear. What. The. F....? Seriously, dude. We are a pretty open bunch, especially amongst ourselves. My buddies will freely admit to all manner of embarrassing health issues. Rectal tears? Never has come up. Not only that, I'm not aware of that being much of an issue, even among sexually active people. In short, while your story of a Gay friend who constantly talks to his FCA alumni 'buddy' about all his buttsex Gay rectal tears is theoretically possible, I'm not seeing it. Maybe this person exists...but its unlikely such a person, if existing, is representative of any other person.

Go back and read your post. I stand by my comments.

Stop digging dude. Your advice for HIV prevention was 'stop having Gay sex'. You summed up our health concerns as 'rectal tears' and 'mental health issues'. I didn't put those words in your mouth.

Its not a hissy fit. Its calling you out. Just admit you were just trying to troll me and it went terribly wrong.

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Either way, I don't think you respect Gay people. You also appear ignorant of LGBT health issues and aren't interested in learning about them. While at the same time, you discount the value of having LGBT persons having access to medical professionals that value the community and are knowledgeable about our health issues.

I'm amazed no charges have been filed.

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(10-29-2015 11:36 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(10-29-2015 10:01 PM)dfarr Wrote:  

(10-29-2015 05:28 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(10-29-2015 02:49 PM)dfarr Wrote:  

(10-29-2015 02:08 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  Quote 1 of yours

Where did I say anything about HIV prevention? If that's the only health concern for the gays then they really don't need any specialists. HIV is easy to prevent: don't have homosexual sex or share needles. That lowers your risk in the USA dramatically.

SHORTER ANSWER. BEING GAY IS JUST LIKE BEING A NEEDLE SHARING JUNKIE. PREVENTION OF HIV FOR GAY MEN ADVICE...DON'T HAVE GAY SEX!

Implied in that is " If you have Gay sex, you get what you deserve"

Seriously. You just summed up HIV prevention advice for Gay men as "Don't be Gay". Not wear a condom. Not "I of course support Gay marriage equality as to support monogamy". But, just don't have sex. Ever. Yea. That's 1983.

Quote 2 of yours

There are none (Gay health issues) other than the myriad of mental health issues and rectal tears.

Gee thanks dfarr. Sorry if I still think you're biased against Gay folk.

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I'm sure you give the amount of care to LGBT persons that your and your boss think people like us deserve from the majority. And no, you can not tell us...healthcare discrimination against LGBT persons doesn't happen. It does, it did, and it contributed to a health care catastrophe in our community.

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I'd be very concerned about your ability to provide quality care for a member of our community. You don't respect our community. You just summed up our entire community's health care needs as 'rectal tears and mental health issues'.

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I get that outsiders (especially those who grew up in cohorts where being Gay was seen as sick) might not understand that there is such a thing as a Gay community, but one exists. Its more than sex. We tend to congregate together and patronize the same venues.

Furthermore, there are ongoing debates in our community about certain medical issues. Most notably PrEP. Medical professionals that have credibility in the community can actually discuss this with their clients. If you simply think we should abstain from sex, or we're all needle injecting junkies, or our entire health care issues can be summed up by buttsex...well then, you're not going to be credible.

Forgive me if I question your fairness. You've given me every reason to question it
----

If you guys are trying to make the argument that LGBT persons don't need to see specialists that understand the LGBT community...some of y'all are making a terrible case.

What are the two leading causes of HIV transmission in the USA? Male-male sex and sharing IV drug needles. Now just because the two are in the same sentence doesn't mean that they are equal to each other. I'm just stating the facts. I'm not the one who made the facts what they are. You are the one equating IV drug use with gay sex, not me.

The fact that you're either in denial about your "community" or just obtuse about basic medical knowledge doesn't make your opinion any less incorrect.

Whatever....you still haven't backed off your medical advice to Gay men worried about HIV transmission to 'stop having sex'. That's it.

And the mental health and rectal tears comments from you looked like you were trying to troll me with a flame burn, directed at me because of my sexual orientation.

Seriously? You just scored a perfect 1983 on the Ignorance about treating HIV scale.

I would question if you really hold any medical certification, but that's sadly, probably true.

You obviously don't understand the LGBT community. I wouldn't feel comfortable speaking with you about my health.

At any rate, your advice and attitude are precisely the reason why LGBT persons need to be able to have access to knowledgeable, supportive health care professionals, like those at Planned Parenthood.

I don't ever actually remember posting advice to gays. All I said was that the two leading causes of HIV transmission in the USA were male-male sex and iv drug use. You took that sentence and ran with it, putting words in my mouth as you often do when you throw your hissy fits.

The rectal tears mention was because one of my gay former coworkers always complained about getting them. Blame that one on a member of your own community.

Guess what, I don't treat HIV, so I really don't care what the "score" you gave me. I knew more about it when I was in grad school, but that was 4+ years ago, along with how to dose insulin and the various other primary care stuff I've forgotten.

The lgbt community, aside from the higher risk of HIV and stds, is clinically no different from anyone else, which is why I treat them just as any other patient of mine.

I have never heard of someone complaining about getting an rectal tear. What. The. F....? Seriously, dude. We are a pretty open bunch, especially amongst ourselves. My buddies will freely admit to all manner of embarrassing health issues. Rectal tears? Never has come up. Not only that, I'm not aware of that being much of an issue, even among sexually active people. In short, while your story of a Gay friend who constantly talks to his FCA alumni 'buddy' about all his buttsex Gay rectal tears is theoretically possible, I'm not seeing it. Maybe this person exists...but its unlikely such a person, if existing, is representative of any other person.

Go back and read your post. I stand by my comments.

Stop digging dude. Your advice for HIV prevention was 'stop having Gay sex'. You summed up our health concerns as 'rectal tears' and 'mental health issues'. I didn't put those words in your mouth.

Its not a hissy fit. Its calling you out. Just admit you were just trying to troll me and it went terribly wrong.

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Either way, I don't think you respect Gay people. You also appear ignorant of LGBT health issues and aren't interested in learning about them. While at the same time, you discount the value of having LGBT persons having access to medical professionals that value the community and are knowledgeable about our health issues.

I guess I'm friends with the 1 gay guy who it happened to. What are the odds?

And not having gay sex or using iv drugs is pretty solid advice for those that don't want to get HIV. The stats don't lie on that one.

I'm actually friends with lots of gays. Being a male nurse kind of put you in a small club.

(10-29-2015 02:04 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(10-29-2015 11:01 AM)Paul M Wrote:  You're incorrect statement was "no crime has been shown to have occurred" not that there hadn't been arrests or charges.

Right...but neither I nor you are qualified to say what is and what isn't a crime.

Therefore, until I see someone in cuffs or charges being filed, no crimes have been committed as far as I'm concerned.

Just talking about something doesn't mean something illegal happened.

WTF! Well I certainly am. If it's in the criminal code, it's a crime. Crimes have been admitted to in the vids.

If you kill someone, you have committed a crime. You may get away with it but it's a crime committed non the less.

Of course people saying they committed crimes doesn't mean they aren't simply lying. But why would they lie and say they are altering procedures to harvest parts if they aren't?

(10-30-2015 06:19 AM)dfarr Wrote:  

(10-29-2015 11:36 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(10-29-2015 10:01 PM)dfarr Wrote:  

(10-29-2015 05:28 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(10-29-2015 02:49 PM)dfarr Wrote:  What are the two leading causes of HIV transmission in the USA? Male-male sex and sharing IV drug needles. Now just because the two are in the same sentence doesn't mean that they are equal to each other. I'm just stating the facts. I'm not the one who made the facts what they are. You are the one equating IV drug use with gay sex, not me.

The fact that you're either in denial about your "community" or just obtuse about basic medical knowledge doesn't make your opinion any less incorrect.

Whatever....you still haven't backed off your medical advice to Gay men worried about HIV transmission to 'stop having sex'. That's it.

And the mental health and rectal tears comments from you looked like you were trying to troll me with a flame burn, directed at me because of my sexual orientation.

Seriously? You just scored a perfect 1983 on the Ignorance about treating HIV scale.

I would question if you really hold any medical certification, but that's sadly, probably true.

You obviously don't understand the LGBT community. I wouldn't feel comfortable speaking with you about my health.

At any rate, your advice and attitude are precisely the reason why LGBT persons need to be able to have access to knowledgeable, supportive health care professionals, like those at Planned Parenthood.

I don't ever actually remember posting advice to gays. All I said was that the two leading causes of HIV transmission in the USA were male-male sex and iv drug use. You took that sentence and ran with it, putting words in my mouth as you often do when you throw your hissy fits.

The rectal tears mention was because one of my gay former coworkers always complained about getting them. Blame that one on a member of your own community.

Guess what, I don't treat HIV, so I really don't care what the "score" you gave me. I knew more about it when I was in grad school, but that was 4+ years ago, along with how to dose insulin and the various other primary care stuff I've forgotten.

The lgbt community, aside from the higher risk of HIV and stds, is clinically no different from anyone else, which is why I treat them just as any other patient of mine.

I have never heard of someone complaining about getting an rectal tear. What. The. F....? Seriously, dude. We are a pretty open bunch, especially amongst ourselves. My buddies will freely admit to all manner of embarrassing health issues. Rectal tears? Never has come up. Not only that, I'm not aware of that being much of an issue, even among sexually active people. In short, while your story of a Gay friend who constantly talks to his FCA alumni 'buddy' about all his buttsex Gay rectal tears is theoretically possible, I'm not seeing it. Maybe this person exists...but its unlikely such a person, if existing, is representative of any other person.

Go back and read your post. I stand by my comments.

Stop digging dude. Your advice for HIV prevention was 'stop having Gay sex'. You summed up our health concerns as 'rectal tears' and 'mental health issues'. I didn't put those words in your mouth.

Its not a hissy fit. Its calling you out. Just admit you were just trying to troll me and it went terribly wrong.

---

Either way, I don't think you respect Gay people. You also appear ignorant of LGBT health issues and aren't interested in learning about them. While at the same time, you discount the value of having LGBT persons having access to medical professionals that value the community and are knowledgeable about our health issues.

I guess I'm friends with the 1 gay guy who it happened to. What are the odds?

And not having gay sex or using iv drugs is pretty solid advice for those that don't want to get HIV. The stats don't lie on that one.

I'm actually friends with lots of gays. Being a male nurse kind of put you in a small club.

Unless there is another problem going on, your friend is probably a bit out there, sexually. Its okay if he is, but that's not a standard Gay health issue.

And the 'mental health' crack should be investigated too. Do you think that being Gay is a sign or mental illness? Seriously, that's what I got from your comment. That's what many Gay men will take from that too. There are certainly mental health issues that can happen if one happens to be Gay in a non-supportive environment (such as PTSD), but I don't think that you were going there.

Advising Gay men to 'simply stop having Gay sex' is about as stupid as advising straight men to 'simply stop having straight sex'. Its not practical as a permanent solution, especially if other options are available. And you either know it or should know it.

In order for health care to be functional, professionals have to been seen as credible by their patients. Medical professionals that put out the stop having Gay sex (while at the same time being non supportive of LGBT issues in general) advice aren't going to have enough credibility with their patients to function effectively.

Again, its best if we have access to medical professionals that understand our community and actually want it to succeed. Planned Parenthood is one of those resources.

"Advising Gay men to 'simply stop having Gay sex' is about as stupid as advising straight men to 'simply stop having straight sex'."

No it isn't. STD rates resulting from Straight sex aren't even in the same ballpark as those from gay sex.

Doctors tell patients to stop smoking, drinking, eating fat, salt, a myriad of things. Nothing stupid about telling them to refrain from risky sex. Up to the patient whether on not they heed the advice.

If doctors can say to a straight guy "your chances of catching an STD will increase as your number of partners increases," they can certainly tell a gay man "your chances of catching an STD will increase when engaging in gay sex."

Hell, it's their damn responsibility to say that.