(10-25-2015 10:37 PM)goodknightfl Wrote:  

(10-25-2015 05:39 PM)Nebraskafan Wrote:  Good by Miami. Now go out and hire a stud that can lock down that south Floridan talent and bring back Miami to the glory it belongs at.

This would be a great chance for Tom Herman.

UM will never be what the were.

LOT'S of schools will never be what Miami was in the 80's. As a matter of fact, I doubt that MIAMI will ever be that again, even if they go back to cheating.

(10-26-2015 08:47 AM)_C2_ Wrote:  

(10-26-2015 08:34 AM)vandiver49 Wrote:  Wasn't Randy Shannon supposed to be that guy. I think the issue that no one, especially the NFL alumni want to face is that 'Da U' football have served its purpose. The program helped to get the University into the ACC. The things that were immaterial during the Hurricane's championship run, now are liabilities to the image the admin is trying to create. The admin is tightening up academic standards and actively trying to shed that earlier identity. Those aren't moves indicative of a potential return to greatness.

And with the way the realignment carousel goes around, Miami could find themselves on the wrong side of the ViP rope if the ACC does a WAC-16 and they happen to be down. What if the charter members of the ACC (plus Georgia Tech, minus South Carolina and Maryland) kicked everyone else out, kept a couple and created a MWC-esque conference?

Duke-Clemson-GT-NC State-UNC-UVa-VT-Wake (FSU?)

I thin the question you're really asking is what if the ACC decides to de-emphisize CFB. Obviously in such a scenario, Clemson, VT and FSU are gone. It become a more difficult question for the likes of Louisville, Miami and GT as they have to decide which is more valuable, academic cache or athletic notoriety?

In their heyday Miami occupied a unique cultural niche among African-American prospects. They can still be a very good program, but I don't think anybody is likely to bring them back to the stratospheric level they occupied in the 80s & 90s.

(10-26-2015 11:14 AM)BewareThePhog Wrote:  In their heyday Miami occupied a unique cultural niche among African-American prospects. They can still be a very good program, but I don't think anybody is likely to bring them back to the stratospheric level they occupied in the 80s & 90s.

I don't know if anyone ever repeats what they or Florida St did in the 80's/90's. Just look at Alabama. It would be another good 7-8 years of how good they've been to even come close to FSU/Miami. Don't think that happens.

(10-25-2015 08:36 PM)stever20 Wrote:  wow just saw this:
Adam Rittenberg
ESPN Staff Writer
The Miami job elicits more polarizing views than almost any in Power 5. Coaches from Power 5 programs I talked with are split: some say it's still a great job, others have concerns about admin support and infrastructure. Two agents told me tonight that all things considered, UCF might be a better job than Miami.

Yea...I'm not sure the UM admins are interested in going back to the days of 'Da U'. And that fan support problem makes life difficult too. No OCS either.

And the program isn't rich and the expectations are really high too.

Miami needs their own Stadium closer to campus.

(10-26-2015 11:17 AM)stever20 Wrote:  I don't know if anyone ever repeats what they or Florida St did in the 80's/90's. Just look at Alabama. It would be another good 7-8 years of how good they've been to even come close to FSU/Miami. Don't think that happens.

Nick Saban is 63. Bear Bryant only coached until 69. Frank Beamer is currently 69 and lost touch in 2012.

I wonder if Charlie Strong is interested. He has been in the heat at UT and always recruited Florida very well at UL.

(10-26-2015 11:55 AM)OrangeCrush22 Wrote:  

(10-26-2015 11:17 AM)stever20 Wrote:  I don't know if anyone ever repeats what they or Florida St did in the 80's/90's. Just look at Alabama. It would be another good 7-8 years of how good they've been to even come close to FSU/Miami. Don't think that happens.

Nick Saban is 63. Bear Bryant only coached until 69. Frank Beamer is currently 69 and lost touch in 2012.

yep and exactly my point. We're not going to see another 15-20 year run like we did with FSU or Miami.

I don't get how a program whose fanbase is entirely composed of wealthy celebrities and ex-athletes has no money. Couldn't the Rock pay somebody $4 million?

(10-26-2015 01:05 PM)justinslot Wrote:  I don't get how a program whose fanbase is entirely composed of wealthy celebrities and ex-athletes has no money. Couldn't the Rock pay somebody $4 million?

They have a small alumni base. They only have 16,700 some people enrolled in the school. Thus, you are only looking at roughly 4,500 graduates a year.

Places like Wisconsin graduate over 10,000 students a year. More than double the alumni based on a yearly basis.

Miami is different then most places. A plethora of elite talent to recruit every year within driving distance, but it takes a person to know how to speak "Miami" to these Miami kids to get them to go there and they will want to go there if they are wanted badly.

Miami would be smart to hire a person that knows Miami and can speak "Miami" to them. Back in the day they had coaches that could go into the hood and connect with the kids and get them to Miami and they dominated on the football field for years and years.

^

More accurately, not everyone graduates from school (HS or college) and senior classes are usually smaller than freshman classes. Add in that there's only 10K+ undergrads and you're looking at only 20-25K alums each decade. And not everyone who graduates is engaged either.

(10-26-2015 09:27 AM)vandiver49 Wrote:  

(10-26-2015 08:47 AM)_C2_ Wrote:  

(10-26-2015 08:34 AM)vandiver49 Wrote:  Wasn't Randy Shannon supposed to be that guy. I think the issue that no one, especially the NFL alumni want to face is that 'Da U' football have served its purpose. The program helped to get the University into the ACC. The things that were immaterial during the Hurricane's championship run, now are liabilities to the image the admin is trying to create. The admin is tightening up academic standards and actively trying to shed that earlier identity. Those aren't moves indicative of a potential return to greatness.

And with the way the realignment carousel goes around, Miami could find themselves on the wrong side of the ViP rope if the ACC does a WAC-16 and they happen to be down. What if the charter members of the ACC (plus Georgia Tech, minus South Carolina and Maryland) kicked everyone else out, kept a couple and created a MWC-esque conference?

Duke-Clemson-GT-NC State-UNC-UVa-VT-Wake (FSU?)

I thin the question you're really asking is what if the ACC decides to de-emphisize CFB. Obviously in such a scenario, Clemson, VT and FSU are gone. It become a more difficult question for the likes of Louisville, Miami and GT as they have to decide which is more valuable, academic cache or athletic notoriety?

A "rump ACC" would more likely include Miami than not. It's a private school that feels closer to the likes of BC, Duke, Pitt, Cuse and Wake than to FSU. Louisville is the school that might feel conflicted. It's a public school that was helped tremendously by its sports programs. GT could be pulled in either direction but may in the end stay with the UVa-Duke-UNC faction. Now GT and Clemson going together is possible but not probable at this time.

Only FSU would look for a way out if push comes to shove. It looks like they're in the ACC for a long time.

A lot of this thread is nonsense...

Miami just needs the righ coach. They need to get Schiano....

They've never been known for the size of their fanbase...they are an anomaly, and they can and will come back.

(10-26-2015 03:29 PM)EvilVodka Wrote:  A lot of this thread is nonsense...

Miami just needs the righ coach. They need to get Schiano....

They've never been known for the size of their fanbase...they are an anomaly, and they can and will come back.

Yes they will come back.

People always say so and so program will not be back just because they are not competing for a national title for a while. These people look at places like MN and assume that will happen to major college powers...lol.

For what it's worth, Rich Rod was on Sports Radio this morning in Phoenix and they asked him about the open coaching vacancies and his thoughts on that.

There seriously is a question on whether Miami will come back. We can say potential until we're blue in the face but they have to prove it. As has been said by some, it's a different day than the 80's, when Miami was one of only three Florida FBS schools. Florida hadn't even come to power back then, let alone surges by new teams UCF and USF.

(10-26-2015 06:21 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  For what it's worth, Rich Rod was on Sports Radio this morning in Phoenix and they asked him about the open coaching vacancies and his thoughts on that.

Him or Mike Leach would be interesting choices. The question is whether the Miami teams post Coker were/are talented.

(10-27-2015 07:25 AM)vandiver49 Wrote:  

(10-26-2015 06:21 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  For what it's worth, Rich Rod was on Sports Radio this morning in Phoenix and they asked him about the open coaching vacancies and his thoughts on that.

Him or Mike Leach would be interesting choices. The question is whether the Miami teams post Coker were/are talented.

Well, the recruiting rankings say they are but you know me and those recruit rankings.

but lets look at the recruiting rankings
2015- 23rd class
2014- 10th class
2013- 15th class
2012- 8th class
2011- not even in top 25
2010- 13th class
2009- 7th class
2008- #1 class

so in the last 7 years- no top 5 classes and only 3 top 10 classes. And most distressingly- since 2009 Florida been ahead of Miami, and since 2010- both FSU and Florida ahead of Miami. They just haven't been recruiting like Miami used to do by any stretch of the imagination.