(10-11-2015 10:14 PM)laxtonto Wrote:  If there is a link to an ACT testing center then I would be very curious what other schools have had players pass through there

It has been a long standing test center for ole miss and state to run them thru. Sanders was always suspected of this when he was at om with O.

Miss state has had several players mysteriously qualify after taking it there.

Remimber Jarrell Powe? The kid that om sued the ncaa over and pretty much played him dispite the rules? He is from that high school.

So its ok for an sec school to do it but once your at "mid major" you better watch your back side.

Unfortunately we can't all be UNC and get our punishments postponed or weakened now I'm all riled up cause I started reading talk about dirty old cheaters hill

(10-11-2015 09:57 PM)WhitetailWizard Wrote:  Here is what bothers me the most about the ACT debacle.

The very ACT test instructions tell students to answer every single question and to GUESS as wrong answers do not count against you.Yet this report indicates that an assistant RISKED HIS JOB telling high school kids to do something the exact opposite way than the test booklet says.Knowing fully,that if that simple innocent instruction 180 ever got to one single coach or GA directly or INDIRECTLY he would lose his job.Now mulitply that likelihood by 6!.The action just displays a degree of fearlessness.Why so fearless???

Asking recruits to leave answers blank could be a way to prove that some recruit might not reaize what was going on. Leaving blank is the only way someone could go in and fill in the actual answers later on.

Of course, the amazing thing is, having had the opportunity to proctor a few standardized tests, I know how specific those instructions are, and how you must follow them to the letter. Many people have lost jobs just by misreading an instruction. It's amazing that this guy was able to find a test proctor willing to risk her skin to help him. I mean, the ACT has exam monitors that can literally walk in and supervise any test at any point... One simple incident like that, and its game over.

The risks people take to get a college athlete eligible.

(10-11-2015 11:46 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(10-11-2015 07:56 PM)CajunFanatico Wrote:  

(10-11-2015 07:43 PM)Tiguar Wrote:  unfortunately, not knowing isn't the defense it used to be with some of the precedents that have been set.

the NCAA expects the head coach to know what's going on with his program. "knew or should have known" and lack of control will likely be used to deliver some kind of punitive action.

honestly, though ,with the BS thats been going on up in chapel hill for years, I'll be rather annoyed if they do too much to a G5 in this scenario.

My comments weren't offered as a defense of the head coach. The head coach makes the hires and sets the tone of how he expects his staff to operate. He has ultimate responsibility for their actions while operating within his program and under his guidance.

My comments were directed at poster WW who it appears was insinuating that Hud had to have known what was going on and then did nothing about it. Personally, I'd be shocked and amazed if that was the case knowing what I know about Hud's history and how he operates at a professional level.

I've been around long enough to know that karma's a ***** when it comes to making fun of another program's student athletes who get into trouble with the law. Crapola like this often falls into the same category.

I think this falls under the duties of a low ranking asst coach and honestly not many head coaches pay close attention to what it takes to get the kid in class.

Most head coaches are smart enough to put a barrier between them and things like this. And I'm not saying Hud had any ideal this was going on and putting distant...nope they just leave the paper work to others. I'm sure at some point a head coach is going to ask about XY&Z kids and are they on tract to enroll. But basically that's it, they will trust the person they hire to make sure the papers are in order.

Now with that UL-L better hope the NCAA doesn't hold grudges...

old-time UL-L fans will get my point

But the NCAA will be out for blood, just as they were with SMU...

got to soften things up for the hand slap waiting on UNC

Any good SEC head coach knows there are about 25 illegal things currently going on around his program, and he needs to keep his nose well clear of them, so if they do get caught, he can sacrifice that assistant for the greater good and claim ignorance.

My guess is Hudspeth probably had a decent idea something might have been going on, but chose to stay far away from it, so it couldn't come back on him later.

(10-12-2015 12:57 AM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(10-11-2015 11:46 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(10-11-2015 07:56 PM)CajunFanatico Wrote:  

(10-11-2015 07:43 PM)Tiguar Wrote:  unfortunately, not knowing isn't the defense it used to be with some of the precedents that have been set.

the NCAA expects the head coach to know what's going on with his program. "knew or should have known" and lack of control will likely be used to deliver some kind of punitive action.

honestly, though ,with the BS thats been going on up in chapel hill for years, I'll be rather annoyed if they do too much to a G5 in this scenario.

My comments weren't offered as a defense of the head coach. The head coach makes the hires and sets the tone of how he expects his staff to operate. He has ultimate responsibility for their actions while operating within his program and under his guidance.

My comments were directed at poster WW who it appears was insinuating that Hud had to have known what was going on and then did nothing about it. Personally, I'd be shocked and amazed if that was the case knowing what I know about Hud's history and how he operates at a professional level.

I've been around long enough to know that karma's a ***** when it comes to making fun of another program's student athletes who get into trouble with the law. Crapola like this often falls into the same category.

I think this falls under the duties of a low ranking asst coach and honestly not many head coaches pay close attention to what it takes to get the kid in class.

Most head coaches are smart enough to put a barrier between them and things like this. And I'm not saying Hud had any ideal this was going on and putting distant...nope they just leave the paper work to others. I'm sure at some point a head coach is going to ask about XY&Z kids and are they on tract to enroll. But basically that's it, they will trust the person they hire to make sure the papers are in order.

Now with that UL-L better hope the NCAA doesn't hold grudges...

old-time UL-L fans will get my point

But the NCAA will be out for blood, just as they were with SMU...

got to soften things up for the hand slap waiting on UNC

Any good SEC head coach knows there are about 25 illegal things currently going on around his program, and he needs to keep his nose well clear of them, so if they do get caught, he can sacrifice that assistant for the greater good and claim ignorance.

My guess is Hudspeth probably had a decent idea something might have been going on, but chose to stay far away from it, so it couldn't come back on him later.

Maybe a coach will have a feeling if you are getting a lot of kids in school that couldn't couldn't anywhere else. But honestly I think most coaches just leave that up to someone else and they trust the compliance office will oversee it. Less work for them and at this level a coach has a lot more to worry about than at a BCS school that have top paid assts to do some of the petty work a coach at Western, ASU, UL-L, has to do theirself.

But this could be why Hud's name hasn't came up in job openings. A lot of times when a school is venting coaches they are having [people to check with friends at other schools to see if any rumors that might not be public is going on.

I still say that with the lack of a institutional control charge the NCAA is saying the head coach is clear of any wrong doing

(10-12-2015 01:22 AM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(10-12-2015 12:57 AM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(10-11-2015 11:46 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(10-11-2015 07:56 PM)CajunFanatico Wrote:  

(10-11-2015 07:43 PM)Tiguar Wrote:  unfortunately, not knowing isn't the defense it used to be with some of the precedents that have been set.

the NCAA expects the head coach to know what's going on with his program. "knew or should have known" and lack of control will likely be used to deliver some kind of punitive action.

honestly, though ,with the BS thats been going on up in chapel hill for years, I'll be rather annoyed if they do too much to a G5 in this scenario.

My comments weren't offered as a defense of the head coach. The head coach makes the hires and sets the tone of how he expects his staff to operate. He has ultimate responsibility for their actions while operating within his program and under his guidance.

My comments were directed at poster WW who it appears was insinuating that Hud had to have known what was going on and then did nothing about it. Personally, I'd be shocked and amazed if that was the case knowing what I know about Hud's history and how he operates at a professional level.

I've been around long enough to know that karma's a ***** when it comes to making fun of another program's student athletes who get into trouble with the law. Crapola like this often falls into the same category.

I think this falls under the duties of a low ranking asst coach and honestly not many head coaches pay close attention to what it takes to get the kid in class.

Most head coaches are smart enough to put a barrier between them and things like this. And I'm not saying Hud had any ideal this was going on and putting distant...nope they just leave the paper work to others. I'm sure at some point a head coach is going to ask about XY&Z kids and are they on tract to enroll. But basically that's it, they will trust the person they hire to make sure the papers are in order.

Now with that UL-L better hope the NCAA doesn't hold grudges...

old-time UL-L fans will get my point

But the NCAA will be out for blood, just as they were with SMU...

got to soften things up for the hand slap waiting on UNC

Any good SEC head coach knows there are about 25 illegal things currently going on around his program, and he needs to keep his nose well clear of them, so if they do get caught, he can sacrifice that assistant for the greater good and claim ignorance.

My guess is Hudspeth probably had a decent idea something might have been going on, but chose to stay far away from it, so it couldn't come back on him later.

Maybe a coach will have a feeling if you are getting a lot of kids in school that couldn't couldn't anywhere else. But honestly I think most coaches just leave that up to someone else and they trust the compliance office will oversee it. Less work for them and at this level a coach has a lot more to worry about than at a BCS school that have top paid assts to do some of the petty work a coach at Western, ASU, UL-L, has to do theirself.

But this could be why Hud's name hasn't came up in job openings. A lot of times when a school is venting coaches they are having [people to check with friends at other schools to see if any rumors that might not be public is going on.

I still say that with the lack of a institutional control charge the NCAA is saying the head coach is clear of any wrong doing

Usually you never see that charge for a single incident. It usually takes multiple egregious violations over a several year period.

Coach always gets the benefit of the doubt unless the NCAA can prove the Cajuns have been doing this for years, and that Hudspeth should have been able to recognize what was going on.

I still expect pretty harsh sanctions...We're talking about ULL and not North Carolina here, so they'll get the book thrown at them.

(10-12-2015 02:40 AM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(10-12-2015 01:22 AM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(10-12-2015 12:57 AM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(10-11-2015 11:46 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(10-11-2015 07:56 PM)CajunFanatico Wrote:  My comments weren't offered as a defense of the head coach. The head coach makes the hires and sets the tone of how he expects his staff to operate. He has ultimate responsibility for their actions while operating within his program and under his guidance.

My comments were directed at poster WW who it appears was insinuating that Hud had to have known what was going on and then did nothing about it. Personally, I'd be shocked and amazed if that was the case knowing what I know about Hud's history and how he operates at a professional level.

I've been around long enough to know that karma's a ***** when it comes to making fun of another program's student athletes who get into trouble with the law. Crapola like this often falls into the same category.

I think this falls under the duties of a low ranking asst coach and honestly not many head coaches pay close attention to what it takes to get the kid in class.

Most head coaches are smart enough to put a barrier between them and things like this. And I'm not saying Hud had any ideal this was going on and putting distant...nope they just leave the paper work to others. I'm sure at some point a head coach is going to ask about XY&Z kids and are they on tract to enroll. But basically that's it, they will trust the person they hire to make sure the papers are in order.

Now with that UL-L better hope the NCAA doesn't hold grudges...

old-time UL-L fans will get my point

But the NCAA will be out for blood, just as they were with SMU...

got to soften things up for the hand slap waiting on UNC

Any good SEC head coach knows there are about 25 illegal things currently going on around his program, and he needs to keep his nose well clear of them, so if they do get caught, he can sacrifice that assistant for the greater good and claim ignorance.

My guess is Hudspeth probably had a decent idea something might have been going on, but chose to stay far away from it, so it couldn't come back on him later.

Maybe a coach will have a feeling if you are getting a lot of kids in school that couldn't couldn't anywhere else. But honestly I think most coaches just leave that up to someone else and they trust the compliance office will oversee it. Less work for them and at this level a coach has a lot more to worry about than at a BCS school that have top paid assts to do some of the petty work a coach at Western, ASU, UL-L, has to do theirself.

But this could be why Hud's name hasn't came up in job openings. A lot of times when a school is venting coaches they are having [people to check with friends at other schools to see if any rumors that might not be public is going on.

I still say that with the lack of a institutional control charge the NCAA is saying the head coach is clear of any wrong doing

Usually you never see that charge for a single incident. It usually takes multiple egregious violations over a several year period.

Coach always gets the benefit of the doubt unless the NCAA can prove the Cajuns have been doing this for years, and that Hudspeth should have been able to recognize what was going on.

I still expect pretty harsh sanctions...[/b]We're talking about ULL and not North Carolina here, so they'll get the book thrown at them.

This is what worries me the NCAA is chicken poo when it comes to the power 5. [/i]

(10-11-2015 07:59 PM)EagleNationRising Wrote:  

(10-11-2015 07:04 PM)TheEagleWay Wrote:  

(10-11-2015 06:55 PM)NCeagle Wrote:  man. I would love for the Eagles to play in NO this year.

Not going to lie, I'd rather go to Orlando.

Orlando most def

I'm for Orlando as well just because it's 20 minutes from my house...the TV deal for the Cure Bowl kind of stinks. It's going to be on CBS Sports Network which doesn't have a very large audience...

(10-12-2015 06:09 AM)RoyK Wrote:  This is what worries me the NCAA is chicken poo when it comes to the power 5. [/b][/i]

I see this as well.

UNC is still sitting pretty because the NCAA is too scared to do anything to an elite member.

Start dropping the hammer on enough members, you might find the very schools you help to oversee leave you to form their own association.

(10-11-2015 05:44 PM)GSU Eagles Wrote:  Uh oh. Might be good news as Huds sure won't be leaving now. Of course assuming they can pin it all on the assistant and Huds can claim ignorance.

Who was that 4 star they signed? Dion Ray???

It is never good news....period

(10-12-2015 06:37 AM)swampbear Wrote:  

(10-11-2015 05:44 PM)GSU Eagles Wrote:  Uh oh. Might be good news as Huds sure won't be leaving now. Of course assuming they can pin it all on the assistant and Huds can claim ignorance.

Who was that 4 star they signed? Dion Ray???

It is never good news....period

No, it's not. Very bad for the sbc as well.

But, if you want Huds, he ain't going anywhere now.

(10-11-2015 07:25 PM)AppMtneer08 Wrote:  how dumb did the recruits have to be for that to happen? it can't be that hard to get into ULL

Try getting the facts before making a complete ass of yourself

(10-11-2015 07:32 PM)CajunFanatico Wrote:  

(10-11-2015 07:17 PM)WhitetailWizard Wrote:  Yes,assistants often enjoy unilateral giggles while keeping the single greatest benfactor in the dark RRRRIGHT..........

Are you claiming Hud had direct knowledge of this guy's actions and approved of what he was doing? If so, please share your evidence.

Yeah, as someone said above, it sucks for the fans, but rules are rules and everyone signs up to play by the same rules. I'm hoping that what's being said on the Cajun fansite is accurate.....that the university discovered what the guy was up to and reported his actions to the NCAA. Unfortunately, the NCAA doesn't always hand out punishment on an even-handed basis in such cases.

And you know, as one looks at the number of schools where this guy worked (including at least a couple I saw from the Belt), I bet this sends shivers down head coach's spines. At the assistant level, it's a literal coaching caroussel every year and one never knows who's bringing what to the program when he darkens a door.

This all started with this guy at Ole Miss and yes UL has fully cooperated and hired a firm to independently investigate .

Hopefully being proactive and self reporting will help ULL with this. I still think the NCAA will require more than vacating one season and probation but maybe not much more.

(10-11-2015 10:14 PM)laxtonto Wrote:  If there is a link to an ACT testing center then I would be very curious what other schools have had players pass through there

The investigation of this Asst. Coach apparently started at Ole Miss.....followed him to UL

(10-12-2015 06:49 AM)Georgia_Power_Company Wrote:  Hopefully being proactive and self reporting will help ULL with this. I still think the NCAA will require more than vacating one season and probation but maybe not much more.

The way I read the report, the NCAA was investigating possible infractions at Ole Miss when possible infractions by UL-L were brought to light. It was after the NCAA informed UL-L of these allegations that UL-L began it's own investigation. Now since then, UL-L has cooperated fully, and has reported the findings of it's own investigation. Perhaps that's what you're talking about when you say UL-L "self reported" to the NCAA. I too think that this whole ordeal won't turn out to be as bad as what UL-L fans fear.

(10-12-2015 06:52 AM)swampbear Wrote:  

(10-11-2015 10:14 PM)laxtonto Wrote:  If there is a link to an ACT testing center then I would be very curious what other schools have had players pass through there

The investigation of this Asst. Coach apparently started at Ole Miss.....followed him to UL

SB, have you heard if Ole Miss has also filed with the NCAA on the issue?

(10-12-2015 06:52 AM)swampbear Wrote:  

(10-11-2015 10:14 PM)laxtonto Wrote:  If there is a link to an ACT testing center then I would be very curious what other schools have had players pass through there

The investigation of this Asst. Coach apparently started at Ole Miss.....followed him to UL

That is good news. Maybe Ole Miss from the mighty SEC will shield the blow from the NCAA.

(10-12-2015 06:59 AM)CajunFanatico Wrote:  

(10-12-2015 06:52 AM)swampbear Wrote:  

(10-11-2015 10:14 PM)laxtonto Wrote:  If there is a link to an ACT testing center then I would be very curious what other schools have had players pass through there

The investigation of this Asst. Coach apparently started at Ole Miss.....followed him to UL

SB, have you heard if Ole Miss has also filed with the NCAA on the issue?

Don't know a lot about the Ole Miss investigation

(10-11-2015 11:55 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(10-11-2015 09:11 PM)GSU Eagles Wrote:  

(10-11-2015 09:05 PM)BRtransplant Wrote:  If Hudspeth's nose is clean in all of this, I think the NCAA will come down lightly on UL-L. If it can be proven that he had knowledge that this was going on, then it'll get really, really ugly for the Cajuns. I don't think he knew, but that is based on absolutely nothing.

NCAA can't have a system that allows the head coach to play dumb and have no significant punishment. Otherwise there is too much incentive for the head coach to create a hands off program. They will take the approach that you should have known or you shouldn't have hired the guy. They call it lack of institutional control.

I haven't read anything listing a charge of lack of institutional control

usually this means the school self reported, took care of the problem and was honest (in the eyes of the ncaa) with the report. In that case Hud will walk away with only the embarrassment and people second guess what he knew.

Personally I believe this was a rouge asst trying to move up by doing everything he could. Now if the money amount becomes more than the asst should have been able to afford...

then we are talking boosters or someone on staff making the jack to pay for it. But I don't believe the NCAA believes this...not with no lack of institutional control charge

The money was for retest and act prep courses. It wasn't for recreation or living expenses.