Based on what I have been reading lately the NCAA is getting tough on academic fraud so they have precedent. Our president even said "all schools under investigation should be shaking in heir boots".

(10-11-2015 09:15 PM)CajunFanatico Wrote:  

(10-11-2015 09:05 PM)BRtransplant Wrote:  If Hudspeth's nose is clean in all of this, I think the NCAA will come down lightly on UL-L. If it can be proven that he had knowledge that this was going on, then it'll get really, really ugly for the Cajuns. I don't think he knew, but that is based on absolutely nothing.

I don't think that's how the NCAA operates....ie....did the head coach know or not. Based on what Pony94 posted, I expect the hammer to come down hard, really hard.

As for Hud, I'd be shocked and amazed that he knew of or tolerated something like this in his program. I make that statement based purely on what I've read about his past and how he operates.

Having said that, if Hud did know about the scheme, or provided some sort of cover for it after the fact, I'd be in favor of immediate termination of his services, with cause. I don't believe it will come to that.

We're in for a rough ride.

we'll see. Fudging ACT scores is one thing; fudging COLLEGE scores is another. I can see a moral argument being made that while y'all were beating one system, you were making up for it by educating your students who have performed well up to this point other than that one issue.

But then that assumes there was no fraud at the institutional level, and that the ACT scores weren't being fudged to the point it allowed your athletes to get further aid from the State (schollys, etc).

This is a multi-factorial issue.

I should have said he was not so subtly referencing UNC

(10-11-2015 07:02 PM)EigenEagle Wrote:  

(10-11-2015 06:55 PM)NCeagle Wrote:  man. I would love for the Eagles to play in NO this year.

Why?

Bourbon Street? Cajun food? Ya know, why anybody wants to visit New Orleans.

(10-11-2015 09:25 PM)Tiguar Wrote:  we'll see. Fudging ACT scores is one thing; fudging COLLEGE scores is another. I can see a moral argument being made that while y'all were beating one system, you were making up for it by educating your students who have performed well up to this point other than that one issue.

But then that assumes there was no fraud at the institutional level, and that the ACT scores weren't being fudged to the point it allowed your athletes to get further aid from the State (schollys, etc).

This is a multi-factorial issue.

I think you're making this a bit too complicated. Has anyone been accused of fudging college scores??? And I haven't seen anyone anywhere making a moral argument about educating student athletes.

This is really quite simple. It was obviously a scheme that allowed certain student athletes to beat the system so that they could play football. Did Hud know about it, approve of it? I don't know. But in the end, he's responsible for the actions of his staff.

Hopefully decision will come down soon. Got to be tough playing with this hanging over your head

I would once again remind people that 1, UNC is still on the old penalty structure due to when the investigation started and will be punished as such, and 2, Multiple Level 1 violations under the new penalty structure is going to hurt much more than the current self-imposed penalties..

I hate to see this happen at any school, and more importantly I am not sure that the NCAA is going to let anyone slide on these types of issues from here on out.

(10-11-2015 09:26 PM)Eagleditka Wrote:  

(10-11-2015 07:02 PM)EigenEagle Wrote:  

(10-11-2015 06:55 PM)NCeagle Wrote:  man. I would love for the Eagles to play in NO this year.

Why?

Bourbon Street? Cajun food? Ya know, why anybody wants to visit New Orleans.

Just for the record, there's really a very distinct difference (and flavor) in Cajun food and what's typically served in New Orleans, the latter usually termed creole. A gumbo in New Orleans for instance will often have diced tomatoes, or okra, and andouille sausage, something that the typical Cajun gumbo does not usually contain.

(10-11-2015 09:32 PM)CajunFanatico Wrote:  Has anyone been accused of fudging college scores??

Depends on your definition. UNC has been accused of making fake classes for athletes so they can play ball. To me, that's fudging college scores.

You say I am making it complicated, but these are the things the NCAA is going to look at. Getting state money from fraud is what may bring the hammer down hard if that happened.

Also with UNC, they got their Letter of Infractions twice and then found extra stuff so the NCAA is still adding on. The rumor is that they're trying to save this year's team from a post-season ban because they're gonna be Nat'l Title favorites.

(10-11-2015 09:42 PM)Tiguar Wrote:  

(10-11-2015 09:32 PM)CajunFanatico Wrote:  Has anyone been accused of fudging college scores??

Depends on your definition. UNC has been accused of making fake classes for athletes so they can play ball. To me, that's fudging college scores.

You say I am making it complicated, but these are the things the NCAA is going to look at. Getting state money from fraud is what may bring the hammer down hard if that happened.

On the issue of fudging college scores, I thought you were referencing the Cajun program and that's what I was addressing. UNC's problems are UNC's problems. We obviously have our own.

Here is what bothers me the most about the ACT debacle.

The very ACT test instructions tell students to answer every single question and to GUESS as wrong answers do not count against you.Yet this report indicates that an assistant RISKED HIS JOB telling high school kids to do something the exact opposite way than the test booklet says.Knowing fully,that if that simple innocent instruction 180 ever got to one single coach or GA directly or INDIRECTLY he would lose his job.Now mulitply that likelihood by 6!.The action just displays a degree of fearlessness.Why so fearless???

(10-11-2015 08:08 PM)balanced_view Wrote:  

(10-11-2015 07:32 PM)WinstonTheWolf Wrote:  

(10-11-2015 07:06 PM)slycat Wrote:  Man that sucks for UL fans

You have sympathy for ULL fans? Seriously?

maybe he means the average 24,000 plus football fans, and not the 25-30 fans on a message board that get under peoples skin. thats how i take it.

Yeah it have empathy for them. As a fan I would hate for this to happen to my team or really anyone for that matter. This is out of the fans hands and can really set a program back. It's not good for UL fans or the conference.

(10-11-2015 09:45 PM)CajunFanatico Wrote:  

(10-11-2015 09:42 PM)Tiguar Wrote:  

(10-11-2015 09:32 PM)CajunFanatico Wrote:  Has anyone been accused of fudging college scores??

Depends on your definition. UNC has been accused of making fake classes for athletes so they can play ball. To me, that's fudging college scores.

You say I am making it complicated, but these are the things the NCAA is going to look at. Getting state money from fraud is what may bring the hammer down hard if that happened.

On the issue of fudging college scores, I thought you were referencing the Cajun program and that's what I was addressing. UNC's problems are UNC's problems. We obviously have our own.

did not mean to imply ULL was fudging college scores, was merely attempting to compare and contrast. IMO, UNC's transgressions are worse... not that that is any consolation to cajun fans.

(10-11-2015 09:57 PM)WhitetailWizard Wrote:  Here is what bothers me the most about the ACT debacle.

The very ACT test instructions tell students to answer every single question and to GUESS as wrong answers do not count against you.Yet this report indicates that an assistant RISKED HIS JOB telling high school kids to do something the exact opposite way than the test booklet says.Knowing fully,that if that simple innocent instruction 180 ever got to one single coach or GA directly or INDIRECTLY he would loss his job.Now mulitply that likelihood by 6!.The action just displays a degree of fearlessness.Why so fearless???

Because it's obvious that Dr. Joseph Savoie, President of the University of Louisiana at Lafayette was in on the scheme?

If there is a link to an ACT testing center then I would be very curious what other schools have had players pass through there

(10-11-2015 10:14 PM)laxtonto Wrote:  If there is a link to an ACT testing center then I would be very curious what other schools have had players pass through there

there is a link to a center.

this may get very ugly before its all said and done, for multiple schools

(10-11-2015 08:15 PM)geauxcajuns Wrote:  

(10-11-2015 07:17 PM)WhitetailWizard Wrote:  Yes,assistants often enjoy unilateral giggles while keeping the single greatest benfactor in the dark RRRRIGHT..........

You mean like Pat Dye's bag man Larry Blakney. Pot meet kettle.

Let's see if this puts Hud on the same level then, shall we?

(10-11-2015 07:56 PM)CajunFanatico Wrote:  

(10-11-2015 07:43 PM)Tiguar Wrote:  unfortunately, not knowing isn't the defense it used to be with some of the precedents that have been set.

the NCAA expects the head coach to know what's going on with his program. "knew or should have known" and lack of control will likely be used to deliver some kind of punitive action.

honestly, though ,with the BS thats been going on up in chapel hill for years, I'll be rather annoyed if they do too much to a G5 in this scenario.

My comments weren't offered as a defense of the head coach. The head coach makes the hires and sets the tone of how he expects his staff to operate. He has ultimate responsibility for their actions while operating within his program and under his guidance.

My comments were directed at poster WW who it appears was insinuating that Hud had to have known what was going on and then did nothing about it. Personally, I'd be shocked and amazed if that was the case knowing what I know about Hud's history and how he operates at a professional level.

I've been around long enough to know that karma's a ***** when it comes to making fun of another program's student athletes who get into trouble with the law. Crapola like this often falls into the same category.

I think this falls under the duties of a low ranking asst coach and honestly not many head coaches pay close attention to what it takes to get the kid in class.

Most head coaches are smart enough to put a barrier between them and things like this. And I'm not saying Hud had any ideal this was going on and putting distant...nope they just leave the paper work to others. I'm sure at some point a head coach is going to ask about XY&Z kids and are they on tract to enroll. But basically that's it, they will trust the person they hire to make sure the papers are in order.

Now with that UL-L better hope the NCAA doesn't hold grudges...

old-time UL-L fans will get my point

But the NCAA will be out for blood, just as they were with SMU...

got to soften things up for the hand slap waiting on UNC

(10-11-2015 09:11 PM)GSU Eagles Wrote:  

(10-11-2015 09:05 PM)BRtransplant Wrote:  If Hudspeth's nose is clean in all of this, I think the NCAA will come down lightly on UL-L. If it can be proven that he had knowledge that this was going on, then it'll get really, really ugly for the Cajuns. I don't think he knew, but that is based on absolutely nothing.

NCAA can't have a system that allows the head coach to play dumb and have no significant punishment. Otherwise there is too much incentive for the head coach to create a hands off program. They will take the approach that you should have known or you shouldn't have hired the guy. They call it lack of institutional control.

I haven't read anything listing a charge of lack of institutional control

usually this means the school self reported, took care of the problem and was honest (in the eyes of the ncaa) with the report. In that case Hud will walk away with only the embarrassment and people second guess what he knew.

Personally I believe this was a rouge asst trying to move up by doing everything he could. Now if the money amount becomes more than the asst should have been able to afford...

then we are talking boosters or someone on staff making the jack to pay for it. But I don't believe the NCAA believes this...not with no lack of institutional control charge