(10-11-2015 11:28 AM)BurlingtonApp Wrote:  ULM hasn't done anything to really impress yet, so I'm not so sure this would be a "quality win" if we were to beat them. I am, however, extremely worried about this one.

Next to Clemson, this is to our toughest test to date no doubt. Yes, we still haven't proven ourselves again a tough opponent. I'm curious to see how well the passing game and Lamb prove to be against quality G5 opponents that play good run defense. ULM probably isn't the toughest conference opponent we'll face, but their not a slouch by any means either. We'll have to play a good game to win.

(10-11-2015 10:08 AM)sidslidkid Wrote:  

(10-11-2015 09:52 AM)Check Yosef Wrote:  Even if we win that just means ULM is a nobody team and we haven't proved anything.

That's funny.

Glad App got to join the SBC with you guys. It's a great rivalry. Looking forward to the ULM game, but I'm really itching for the Stink game.

(10-13-2015 01:18 PM)Michael in Raleigh Wrote:  

(10-11-2015 10:08 AM)sidslidkid Wrote:  

(10-11-2015 09:52 AM)Check Yosef Wrote:  Even if we win that just means ULM is a nobody team and we haven't proved anything.

That's funny.

Glad App got to join the SBC with you guys. It's a great rivalry. Looking forward to the ULM game, but I'm really itching for the Stink game.

Right back at ya dirt bag.

(10-13-2015 09:16 AM)DrGonzo Wrote:  This will be Lamb and Co's second test of the season, a test which they assuredly failed at Clemson.

It's hard to understand how a team mainly made up of FCS recruited players playing in their 14th game as an 85 scholarship FBS program, wasn't able to go toe to toe with one of the most iconic programs in college football. One that is loaded with NFL talent and ranked in the Top 10.

(10-13-2015 03:50 PM)AppManDG Wrote:  

(10-13-2015 09:16 AM)DrGonzo Wrote:  This will be Lamb and Co's second test of the season, a test which they assuredly failed at Clemson.

It's hard to understand how a team mainly made up of FCS recruited players playing in their 14th game as an 85 scholarship FBS program, wasn't able to go toe to toe with one of the most iconic programs in college football. One that is loaded with NFL talent and ranked in the Top 10.

Well the defense sure cut the mustard despite all the factors you've sarcastically mentioned.

I think the offense could have done much better against the Tigers. "Going to to toe" isn't necessarily required to pass the test, in my opinion. If the ASU offense plays like they played in death valley we might have ourselves a very close game on Saturday. Of course Clemson is 10x better on defense than the War Hawks, but I was referencing the way our team performed in our second game.

I wasn't being that critical of our team, which I think is really good this year. Just calling a spade a spade.

(10-13-2015 04:05 PM)DrGonzo Wrote:  

(10-13-2015 03:50 PM)AppManDG Wrote:  

(10-13-2015 09:16 AM)DrGonzo Wrote:  This will be Lamb and Co's second test of the season, a test which they assuredly failed at Clemson.

It's hard to understand how a team mainly made up of FCS recruited players playing in their 14th game as an 85 scholarship FBS program, wasn't able to go toe to toe with one of the most iconic programs in college football. One that is loaded with NFL talent and ranked in the Top 10.

Well, Mr. Sassypants, the defense sure cut the mustard despite all the factors you've sarcastically mentioned.

I think the offense could have done much better against the Tigers. "Going to to toe" isn't necessarily required to pass the test, in my opinion. If the ASU offense plays like they played in death valley we might have ourselves a very close game on Saturday. Of course Clemson is 10x better on defense than the War Hawks, but I was referencing the way our team performed in our second game.

I wasn't being that critical of our team, which I think is really good this year. Just calling a spade a spade. No need to be a dick.

Clemson YPC for each game this season:

Wofford :5.2
Louisville: 5.1
Notre Dame: 4.9
Georgia Tech: 4.9
App State: 3.2

(10-13-2015 06:37 PM)HighCountry Wrote:  

(10-13-2015 04:05 PM)DrGonzo Wrote:  

(10-13-2015 03:50 PM)AppManDG Wrote:  

(10-13-2015 09:16 AM)DrGonzo Wrote:  This will be Lamb and Co's second test of the season, a test which they assuredly failed at Clemson.

It's hard to understand how a team mainly made up of FCS recruited players playing in their 14th game as an 85 scholarship FBS program, wasn't able to go toe to toe with one of the most iconic programs in college football. One that is loaded with NFL talent and ranked in the Top 10.

Well, Mr. Sassypants, the defense sure cut the mustard despite all the factors you've sarcastically mentioned.

I think the offense could have done much better against the Tigers. "Going to to toe" isn't necessarily required to pass the test, in my opinion. If the ASU offense plays like they played in death valley we might have ourselves a very close game on Saturday. Of course Clemson is 10x better on defense than the War Hawks, but I was referencing the way our team performed in our second game.

I wasn't being that critical of our team, which I think is really good this year. Just calling a spade a spade. No need to be a dick.

Clemson YPC for each game this season:

Wofford :5.2
Louisville: 5.1
Notre Dame: 4.9
Georgia Tech: 4.9
App State: 3.2

Yep. We fared the best in total yards allowed as well despite our status as a team mainly made up of FCS recruited players playing in their 14th game as an 85 scholarship FBS program playing against one of the most iconic programs in college football.

Defense passed the test.

App sand bagging big time, they win by 21. ULM is not that good.

(10-13-2015 06:47 PM)SBEagle Wrote:  App sand bagging big time, they win by 21. ULM is not that good.

I agree with you. You guys put up 51 points on them. No offense to ULM, but I'm not sure how this is still considered one of the top defenses in the Belt. I guess it's because the rest are that bad. Sticking with 35-14.

(10-13-2015 10:56 AM)boroeagle2 Wrote:  

(10-12-2015 04:26 PM)ericsaid Wrote:  

(10-12-2015 04:17 PM)TrueBlueAlum Wrote:  Something your defense seems to do well that ours doesn't is play consistent throughout a game. When you guys get a good lead you continue play tough defense. When we start gaining momentum on offense our defense falls asleep.

I think App wins this game somewhere to the tune of 35-14 or 35-10. The ULM offense hasn't improved that much, they still have no rushing attack.

Your offense is based on rhythm. As few setbacks seem to send your coaches scrambling to find which side of the field to run a post, streak, comeback, or slant route from. I think that the offense drives the intensity for Southern whereas App's defense feeds the team. Based on what i've seen, there aren't many impact plays being made by Southerns defense, which leaves Ellison, Breida, and the battering Ramsby needing to run over a few people to get some energy flowing again.

I know you are a fan of another team so I wouldn't expect you to be intimately familiar with ours, but the bolded statement is just untrue. We are close to tops in the nation in interceptions, have multiple blocked kicks, and make lots of big hits and minus plays on the other teams run game, even our DB's have been known to lay the wood when they aren't getting beat deep (I think Idaho's criminal WR just scored on us again ). Your early statement is correct that our offense can look bad when they get off rhythm, but saying our D isn't making impact plays is just false.

I've watched every game Georgia Southern has played this year. Dobson is really the only consistent impact player i've seen. Southern may have the second or third best defense in the Belt, but i've seen far too many big plays given up by the secondary against nearly everyone you have played.

(10-13-2015 07:18 PM)ericsaid Wrote:  

(10-13-2015 10:56 AM)boroeagle2 Wrote:  

(10-12-2015 04:26 PM)ericsaid Wrote:  

(10-12-2015 04:17 PM)TrueBlueAlum Wrote:  Something your defense seems to do well that ours doesn't is play consistent throughout a game. When you guys get a good lead you continue play tough defense. When we start gaining momentum on offense our defense falls asleep.

I think App wins this game somewhere to the tune of 35-14 or 35-10. The ULM offense hasn't improved that much, they still have no rushing attack.

Your offense is based on rhythm. As few setbacks seem to send your coaches scrambling to find which side of the field to run a post, streak, comeback, or slant route from. I think that the offense drives the intensity for Southern whereas App's defense feeds the team. Based on what i've seen, there aren't many impact plays being made by Southerns defense, which leaves Ellison, Breida, and the battering Ramsby needing to run over a few people to get some energy flowing again.

I know you are a fan of another team so I wouldn't expect you to be intimately familiar with ours, but the bolded statement is just untrue. We are close to tops in the nation in interceptions, have multiple blocked kicks, and make lots of big hits and minus plays on the other teams run game, even our DB's have been known to lay the wood when they aren't getting beat deep (I think Idaho's criminal WR just scored on us again ). Your early statement is correct that our offense can look bad when they get off rhythm, but saying our D isn't making impact plays is just false.

I've watched every game Georgia Southern has played this year. Dobson is really the only consistent impact player i've seen. Southern may have the second or third best defense in the Belt, but i've seen far too many big plays given up by the secondary against nearly everyone you have played.

I'm not sure we are that good. Blown out by WVU and beat up weaker opponents. I can't get past the end of the 2nd qt and 3rd qt against ULM along with the entire 2nd half of the WVU Gane.

(10-13-2015 07:24 PM)SBEagle Wrote:  

(10-13-2015 07:18 PM)ericsaid Wrote:  

(10-13-2015 10:56 AM)boroeagle2 Wrote:  

(10-12-2015 04:26 PM)ericsaid Wrote:  

(10-12-2015 04:17 PM)TrueBlueAlum Wrote:  Something your defense seems to do well that ours doesn't is play consistent throughout a game. When you guys get a good lead you continue play tough defense. When we start gaining momentum on offense our defense falls asleep.

I think App wins this game somewhere to the tune of 35-14 or 35-10. The ULM offense hasn't improved that much, they still have no rushing attack.

Your offense is based on rhythm. As few setbacks seem to send your coaches scrambling to find which side of the field to run a post, streak, comeback, or slant route from. I think that the offense drives the intensity for Southern whereas App's defense feeds the team. Based on what i've seen, there aren't many impact plays being made by Southerns defense, which leaves Ellison, Breida, and the battering Ramsby needing to run over a few people to get some energy flowing again.

I know you are a fan of another team so I wouldn't expect you to be intimately familiar with ours, but the bolded statement is just untrue. We are close to tops in the nation in interceptions, have multiple blocked kicks, and make lots of big hits and minus plays on the other teams run game, even our DB's have been known to lay the wood when they aren't getting beat deep (I think Idaho's criminal WR just scored on us again ). Your early statement is correct that our offense can look bad when they get off rhythm, but saying our D isn't making impact plays is just false.

I've watched every game Georgia Southern has played this year. Dobson is really the only consistent impact player i've seen. Southern may have the second or third best defense in the Belt, but i've seen far too many big plays given up by the secondary against nearly everyone you have played.

I'm not sure we are that good. Blown out by WVU and beat up weaker opponents. I can't get past the end of the 2nd qt and 3rd qt against ULM along with the entire 2nd half of the WVU Gane.

You can throw Epps in that equation. The only thing keeping Southern from having a great defense is the big play.

(10-13-2015 07:18 PM)ericsaid Wrote:  

(10-13-2015 10:56 AM)boroeagle2 Wrote:  

(10-12-2015 04:26 PM)ericsaid Wrote:  

(10-12-2015 04:17 PM)TrueBlueAlum Wrote:  Something your defense seems to do well that ours doesn't is play consistent throughout a game. When you guys get a good lead you continue play tough defense. When we start gaining momentum on offense our defense falls asleep.

I think App wins this game somewhere to the tune of 35-14 or 35-10. The ULM offense hasn't improved that much, they still have no rushing attack.

Your offense is based on rhythm. As few setbacks seem to send your coaches scrambling to find which side of the field to run a post, streak, comeback, or slant route from. I think that the offense drives the intensity for Southern whereas App's defense feeds the team. Based on what i've seen, there aren't many impact plays being made by Southerns defense, which leaves Ellison, Breida, and the battering Ramsby needing to run over a few people to get some energy flowing again.

I know you are a fan of another team so I wouldn't expect you to be intimately familiar with ours, but the bolded statement is just untrue. We are close to tops in the nation in interceptions, have multiple blocked kicks, and make lots of big hits and minus plays on the other teams run game, even our DB's have been known to lay the wood when they aren't getting beat deep (I think Idaho's criminal WR just scored on us again ). Your early statement is correct that our offense can look bad when they get off rhythm, but saying our D isn't making impact plays is just false.

I've watched every game Georgia Southern has played this year. Dobson is really the only consistent impact player i've seen. Southern may have the second or third best defense in the Belt, but i've seen far too many big plays given up by the secondary against nearly everyone you have played.

(Note: All stats are against G5 teams. This gives a fair comparison removing the bad P5 performances each team has had, and eliminates the stats from FCS games that might be floating us.)

You guys give up 4.32 ypp and we give up 4.77 ypp. If you're under 5, you're doing great. Funny thing is, South Alabama is #1. You guys are #2 with us at #3.

To go along with that, although we've given up some deep passes we've generated 8 INT's, you guys have 4. You have more fumbles generated than we do, but that could be attributed to the weather conditions ya'll have played in causing more running plays to be called. We're both at +6.

We give up 2.13 ypp on the ground, you give up 3.43 ypp. I bet if I were to look at S&P, this would mean you guys have a fairly average/below average Standard Down performance on defense. This is an important stat to us as a defense, as we want to shut down opponents' running games. Our head coach says that in games when he's had at least 1 more rushing yard than his opponents, he's won 91% of the time so we will scheme to take away everyone's rushing attack.

You're giving up 5.3 ypp in the air, we're giving up 6.9. I'd say we both are probably doing bad on Standard Downs, and I imagine we're doing worse than you guys on Passing Downs.

The one I like to look at is 3rd down conversion rate. We're #2 at 31.58%, you guys are #3 at 34.15%.

The only stat you have a great amount of separation on us is scoring defense at 5.3 ppg, while we're at 22.7 ppg. Kinda funny that there's quite a few stats we're really close in while you've given up a lot less points than we have.

All this tells me is we have great defenses. Should be an interesting matchup next week. Really curious to see how the matchup against ULM goes. Like I said earlier in the thread, please go to multiple OT's :)

(10-13-2015 08:27 PM)eaglewraith Wrote:  

(10-13-2015 07:18 PM)ericsaid Wrote:  

(10-13-2015 10:56 AM)boroeagle2 Wrote:  

(10-12-2015 04:26 PM)ericsaid Wrote:  

(10-12-2015 04:17 PM)TrueBlueAlum Wrote:  Something your defense seems to do well that ours doesn't is play consistent throughout a game. When you guys get a good lead you continue play tough defense. When we start gaining momentum on offense our defense falls asleep.

I think App wins this game somewhere to the tune of 35-14 or 35-10. The ULM offense hasn't improved that much, they still have no rushing attack.

Your offense is based on rhythm. As few setbacks seem to send your coaches scrambling to find which side of the field to run a post, streak, comeback, or slant route from. I think that the offense drives the intensity for Southern whereas App's defense feeds the team. Based on what i've seen, there aren't many impact plays being made by Southerns defense, which leaves Ellison, Breida, and the battering Ramsby needing to run over a few people to get some energy flowing again.

I know you are a fan of another team so I wouldn't expect you to be intimately familiar with ours, but the bolded statement is just untrue. We are close to tops in the nation in interceptions, have multiple blocked kicks, and make lots of big hits and minus plays on the other teams run game, even our DB's have been known to lay the wood when they aren't getting beat deep (I think Idaho's criminal WR just scored on us again ). Your early statement is correct that our offense can look bad when they get off rhythm, but saying our D isn't making impact plays is just false.

I've watched every game Georgia Southern has played this year. Dobson is really the only consistent impact player i've seen. Southern may have the second or third best defense in the Belt, but i've seen far too many big plays given up by the secondary against nearly everyone you have played.

(Note: All stats are against G5 teams. This gives a fair comparison removing the bad P5 performances each team has had, and eliminates the stats from FCS games that might be floating us.)

You guys give up 4.32 ypp and we give up 4.77 ypp. If you're under 5, you're doing great. Funny thing is, South Alabama is #1. You guys are #2 with us at #3.

To go along with that, although we've given up some deep passes we've generated 8 INT's, you guys have 4. You have more fumbles generated than we do, but that could be attributed to the weather conditions ya'll have played in causing more running plays to be called. We're both at +6.

We give up 2.13 ypp on the ground, you give up 3.43 ypp. I bet if I were to look at S&P, this would mean you guys have a fairly average/below average Standard Down performance on defense. This is an important stat to us as a defense, as we want to shut down opponents' running games. Our head coach says that in games when he's had at least 1 more rushing yard than his opponents, he's won 91% of the time so we will scheme to take away everyone's rushing attack.

You're giving up 5.3 ypp in the air, we're giving up 6.9. I'd say we both are probably doing bad on Standard Downs, and I imagine we're doing worse than you guys on Passing Downs.

The one I like to look at is 3rd down conversion rate. We're #2 at 31.58%, you guys are #3 at 34.15%.

The only stat you have a great amount of separation on us is scoring defense at 5.3 ppg, while we're at 22.7 ppg. Kinda funny that there's quite a few stats we're really close in while you've given up a lot less points than we have.

All this tells me is we have great defenses. Should be an interesting matchup next week. Really curious to see how the matchup against ULM goes. Like I said earlier in the thread, please go to multiple OT's :)

App has 7 interceptions and 2 returned for TD's. Gibbs has 5 interceptions and two TDs and Law has 2 interceptions. The rest I won't rubute. It should be interesting, in my opinion, you sell out to stop Breida and you had a good chance to win. That was as honest an assessment as I've seen though. +1 to you sir. I'll be making my way up to Boone, cutting into my west coast on the east coast work hours.

(10-13-2015 11:10 PM)ericsaid Wrote:  

(10-13-2015 08:27 PM)eaglewraith Wrote:  

(10-13-2015 07:18 PM)ericsaid Wrote:  

(10-13-2015 10:56 AM)boroeagle2 Wrote:  

(10-12-2015 04:26 PM)ericsaid Wrote:  Your offense is based on rhythm. As few setbacks seem to send your coaches scrambling to find which side of the field to run a post, streak, comeback, or slant route from. I think that the offense drives the intensity for Southern whereas App's defense feeds the team. Based on what i've seen, there aren't many impact plays being made by Southerns defense, which leaves Ellison, Breida, and the battering Ramsby needing to run over a few people to get some energy flowing again.

I know you are a fan of another team so I wouldn't expect you to be intimately familiar with ours, but the bolded statement is just untrue. We are close to tops in the nation in interceptions, have multiple blocked kicks, and make lots of big hits and minus plays on the other teams run game, even our DB's have been known to lay the wood when they aren't getting beat deep (I think Idaho's criminal WR just scored on us again ). Your early statement is correct that our offense can look bad when they get off rhythm, but saying our D isn't making impact plays is just false.

I've watched every game Georgia Southern has played this year. Dobson is really the only consistent impact player i've seen. Southern may have the second or third best defense in the Belt, but i've seen far too many big plays given up by the secondary against nearly everyone you have played.

(Note: All stats are against G5 teams. This gives a fair comparison removing the bad P5 performances each team has had, and eliminates the stats from FCS games that might be floating us.)

You guys give up 4.32 ypp and we give up 4.77 ypp. If you're under 5, you're doing great. Funny thing is, South Alabama is #1. You guys are #2 with us at #3.

To go along with that, although we've given up some deep passes we've generated 8 INT's, you guys have 4. You have more fumbles generated than we do, but that could be attributed to the weather conditions ya'll have played in causing more running plays to be called. We're both at +6.

We give up 2.13 ypp on the ground, you give up 3.43 ypp. I bet if I were to look at S&P, this would mean you guys have a fairly average/below average Standard Down performance on defense. This is an important stat to us as a defense, as we want to shut down opponents' running games. Our head coach says that in games when he's had at least 1 more rushing yard than his opponents, he's won 91% of the time so we will scheme to take away everyone's rushing attack.

You're giving up 5.3 ypp in the air, we're giving up 6.9. I'd say we both are probably doing bad on Standard Downs, and I imagine we're doing worse than you guys on Passing Downs.

The one I like to look at is 3rd down conversion rate. We're #2 at 31.58%, you guys are #3 at 34.15%.

The only stat you have a great amount of separation on us is scoring defense at 5.3 ppg, while we're at 22.7 ppg. Kinda funny that there's quite a few stats we're really close in while you've given up a lot less points than we have.

All this tells me is we have great defenses. Should be an interesting matchup next week. Really curious to see how the matchup against ULM goes. Like I said earlier in the thread, please go to multiple OT's :)

App has 7 interceptions and 2 returned for TD's. Gibbs has 5 interceptions and two TDs and Law has 2 interceptions. The rest I won't rubute. It should be interesting, in my opinion, you sell out to stop Breida and you had a good chance to win. That was as honest an assessment as I've seen though. +1 to you sir. I'll be making my way up to Boone, cutting into my west coast on the east coast work hours.

Per my note at the beginning of the post, I'm counting stats versus G5's only in that breakdown. I'm using cfbstats.com (which could have an error, granted, but it's pretty damn accurate normally) and according to it you have 5 fumbles and 4 interceptions gained.

If you're including the Clemson and Howard game that could be why you're coming to a different number than what I was talking about. I was just trying to drop the P5 game we both had (which nether team performed well) and the FCS game we both had that inflated our stats.

ULM gives up over 5 yards a carry, which is a bit skewered by playing Chubb and UGA, Bama and GaSo, but it's still a noticeable stat as App's a run-first team. The big question is if ULM can make any hay in the pass game. I feel like that's their best chance.

(10-14-2015 04:48 AM)T-Dog Wrote:  ULM gives up over 5 yards a carry, which is a bit skewered by playing Chubb and UGA, Bama and GaSo, but it's still a noticeable stat as App's a run-first team. The big question is if ULM can make any hay in the pass game. I feel like that's their best chance.

I did notice they're last in the conference in rush defense against G5 teams as well, but that's likely because of us.

It didn't seem to me that the defense was as strong as it was last year against the run. Either that or being healthier makes that much more of a difference.

(10-13-2015 04:05 PM)DrGonzo Wrote:  

(10-13-2015 03:50 PM)AppManDG Wrote:  

(10-13-2015 09:16 AM)DrGonzo Wrote:  This will be Lamb and Co's second test of the season, a test which they assuredly failed at Clemson.

It's hard to understand how a team mainly made up of FCS recruited players playing in their 14th game as an 85 scholarship FBS program, wasn't able to go toe to toe with one of the most iconic programs in college football. One that is loaded with NFL talent and ranked in the Top 10.

Well the defense sure cut the mustard despite all the factors you've sarcastically mentioned.

I think the offense could have done much better against the Tigers. "Going to to toe" isn't necessarily required to pass the test, in my opinion. If the ASU offense plays like they played in death valley we might have ourselves a very close game on Saturday. Of course Clemson is 10x better on defense than the War Hawks, but I was referencing the way our team performed in our second game.

I wasn't being that critical of our team, which I think is really good this year. Just calling a spade a spade.you

Given your critique of the offense I'm curious to know your benchmark for the defense passing the test. Clemson rolled up 22 first downs and 400 yards on us. They don't drive the ball down the field on people and go for the big play. We didn't exactly stop that. This is not being critical, just being honest while keeping things in perspective. A friend commented rather disparaging to me that we "only scored on their back ups". I had to remind him those "back ups" are 4 & 5 star recruits, including several future NFL players. They're also, no disrespect to anyone, better than any team we'll play the rest of the year. It's more than calling a spade a spade, it's a matter of perspective.

ULM's weekly press conference, he has some very good things to say about APP and he does a good job of describing our scheme of offense and defense.


http://www.ulmwarhawks.com/ViewArticle.d...=210418790

(10-11-2015 08:38 AM)Saint3333 Wrote:  Many have said App hasn't beaten anyone yet. It will be interesting to see how Apps defense does against an improving ULM offense. It seems they've been able to move the ball against good G5 programs.

Some may call this a trap game being before GS, but I think the coaches have this team focused.

Last year this game came down to the last drive, App will need to win the trenches again and get pressure on their QB. This will be the first game App won't have a couple thousand fans in attendance this season.

FTR, I'd say GS hasn't beaten a good team yet either...