(10-07-2015 09:03 AM)Indiana Bones Wrote:  & he's adamant about using both QBs. This has got to be a ploy, right? Summers is by far the better option & he matches up particularly well against the BYU defense. BYU makes a living by making QBs like Kemp turn the ball over but dual threat QBs may be their kryptonite à la SMU.

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(10-11-2015 09:25 AM)PirateMarv Wrote:  Kemp's arm is still weak. He can throw the fades pretty well, but even then Bryce Williams and Trevon Brown displayed their athleticism to haul in those passes with guys hanging all over them. [

It's called putting the ball where it needs to be put to let them do what they do and he's been very good at that. It's a joke you are still sticking to this crap. He has the arm to complete every pass we need and move the ball that's proven, done period. The old Boise coach praised his arm strength infact.

Quote:Additionally, the ECU OC needs to open up the playbook for Summers. Teams are keying on him running so they need to mix in some passes.

Dude, Summers was supposed to pass on about half those run plays last night. He just got scared to throw it after he looked off the first WR.

Quote:ECU is not going to win many games with Kemp. He showed you why again last night.

Wait we score more points than anyone on BYU and it's Kemp's fault we lost Brilliant. We arent even in this game if it wasn't for Kemp's arm. In fact the two very best teams we have played in top 10 Florida and BYU on the road in the toughest 65k+ enviorments we aren't even in the game if not for Kemp's his arm and throwing ability. That itself shows the upside we have to win games with him in doing it on the very best teams in the country like huge road stadiums that in places like that. Keep preaching your myths though.

(10-11-2015 09:54 AM)StillJonesing Wrote:  

(10-11-2015 09:25 AM)PirateMarv Wrote:  Kemp's arm is still weak. He can throw the fades pretty well, but even then Bryce Williams and Trevon Brown displayed their athleticism to haul in those passes with guys hanging all over them. [

It's called putting the ball where it needs to be put to let them do what they do and he's been very good at that. It's a joke you are still sticking to this crap. He has the arm to complete every pass we need and move the ball that's proven, done period. The old Boise coach praised his arm strength infact.

Quote:Additionally, the ECU OC needs to open up the playbook for Summers. Teams are keying on him running so they need to mix in some passes.

Dude, Summers was supposed to pass on about half those run plays last night. He just got scared to throw it after he looked off the first WR.

Quote:ECU is not going to win many games with Kemp. He showed you why again last night.

Wait we score more points than anyone on BYU and it's Kemp's fault we lost Brilliant. We arent even in this game if it wasn't for Kemp's arm. In fact the two very best teams we have played in top 10 Florida and BYU on the road in the toughest 65k+ enviorments we aren't even in the game if not for Kemp's his arm and throwing ability. That itself shows the upside we have to win games with him in doing it on the very best teams in the country like huge road stadiums that in places like that. Keep preaching your myths though.

3 turnovers (2 by the quarterback) and a clueless DC is the reason that ECU lost last night. You can get into all of the almost; could haves and would haves all that you like. ECU lost the game, because they did not score more points than BYU. In the three losses Kemp has had 2 turnovers that just killed the flow of the game. The only thing worse than those turnovers has been the DC/ secondary coach. That guy needs to go. He is only slightly better than Brian Mitchell. Only slightly.

Btw, almost winning is not the same thing as winning. In ECU's 3 wins the ECU running backs and Summers have ran the ball and controlled the clock. In the ECU 3 losses; Kemp has made some throws, but ultimately his multiple turnovers in each game has killed the team. So the stats are hollow, because ECU lost at Florida and at BYU which are the decent games that Kemp has had.

Summers does not turn the ball over, which is why ECU has won 3 games. The ECU OC needs to open up the playbook for Summers, but even if he does it probably wouldn't matter anyway as long as Rick Smith is the DC/secondary coach.

371 yards passing in 3 quarters for a guy that according to you can't throw and doesn't have an arm

(10-11-2015 11:42 AM)PirateMarv Wrote:  In the three losses Kemp has had 2 turnovers that just killed the flow of the game.

He also throws it more than anyone in the entire freaking nation per drive when he's been in games. You never put it in the actual context. 2 turnovers a game when you throw it as much as he does is just about expected for anyone. Passing is also where you get more bang for your buck moving the ball which is why coaches all over the nation stomach the INT"s. About half of Kemp's have been flukes or tip pass crap in 3rd and 16 like last night. At least he's agreesive, Summers wouldn't have an INT in that situation because the guy doesn't even make it to the second WR read and their is no way he could have brought us back in that game or any team good enough to take his run away.

Quote:Btw, almost winning is not the same thing as winning.

and beating Virginia Tech at home isn't the same as playing top 10 Florida on the road there are certainly games you can perform well in perhaps even better or do your job at your postions very well and still not win.

Quote:In ECU's 3 wins the ECU running backs and Summers have ran the ball and controlled the clock.

and playing very good teams like Florida, BYU and Navy dictates a lot of what your are capable of doing. Duh.

Quote: In the ECU 3 losses; Kemp has made some throws, but ultimately his multiple turnovers in each game has killed the team.

BS. We aren't even in the Florida or BYU game with out Kemp's passing.

Quote:So the stats are hollow, because ECU lost at Florida and at BYU which are the decent games that Kemp has had.

Good lord. The guys throws for 371 yards in 3 Quarters on a top 30 team after throwing 335 on a top 10 one both on the road and you are still going to try to tell us he sucks and we have no upside with him on the field. The BYU fans were begging to take Kemp out and put Summers back in.

Quote:Summers does not turn the ball over,

How can you when you are scared to throw it unless the WR is 10 yards open even when we needed a passing game and passing plays were being called and we weren't able to pick up the first downs.

Quote:which is why ECU has won 3 games. The ECU OC needs to open up the playbook for Summers, but even if he does it probably wouldn't matter anyway as long as Rick Smith is the DC/secondary coach.

Open up the playbook, WTF, the guy hasn't shown he can even read the defense in the most simple of sets he's being given last night. He looked completely lost last night with what he was doing passing and good teams are going to figure out how to minimize his running. He looked lost in the series he played at Florida as well. We aren't going to catch a competent D by surprise like we did VT again. Summers will have his place and role on this team and will help us but you are wrong and Kemp and never gave the guy a fair chance even before you saw him take a snap.

Lookingat the byu game from an outsider's perspective:
1) Kemp was the FAR better QB. He really throws a nice catchable ball. Not a HUGE arm, but good enough to get it where it needs to be. Very nice touch getting the ball where his guy can make an easy catch. See the field WAAAAAAY better than the other QB

2) Summers looked lost when the D took away his first option when playing press coverage. BYU bottled up the rush lanes and held contain. Still not game ready to go through his progressions yet...will take some practice.

Really was pulling for the Pirates.

(10-11-2015 03:37 PM)UHRedcat96 Wrote:  Lookingat the byu game from an outsider's perspective:
1) Kemp was the FAR better QB. He really throws a nice catchable ball. Not a HUGE arm, but good enough to get it where it needs to be. Very nice touch getting the ball where his guy can make an easy catch. See the field WAAAAAAY better than the other QB

2) Summers looked lost when the D took away his first option when playing press coverage. BYU bottled up the rush lanes and held contain. Still not game ready to go through his progressions yet...will take some practice.

Really was pulling for the Pirates.

Don't tell some of the Einsteins in our fanbase like Marv, NBpirate and Piratereigns etc talking their nonsense that saw zero value in even having Kemp ready this week. They can't give Kemp any credit at all and still won't even admit he is a D1 QB even after he threw for 330 yards on Florida in the swamp etc. That's what's unbelievable. It's pretty hilarious how they look now or just how swiftly the other reed in the wind fans are all over the place. You litterly had radio host talking about Summers for Heisman and how he had cemented the job etc.

They couldn't wait to come here and crown Summers king shat last week because he ran around on SMU and a VT team that had no clue it was coming and threw Kemp completely on the garbage pile because he's essentially had one bad quarter. I'm willing to give both a chance but I've never seen a QB hated on so hard or held to the standard as Kemp.

I think after ECU watches film on Tulsa they will start Summers. Tulsa has had a really tough time with running QB's so expect a lot of Summers against us.

(10-11-2015 03:37 PM)UHRedcat96 Wrote:  Lookingat the byu game from an outsider's perspective:
1) Kemp was the FAR better QB. He really throws a nice catchable ball. Not a HUGE arm, but good enough to get it where it needs to be. Very nice touch getting the ball where his guy can make an easy catch. See the field WAAAAAAY better than the other QB

2) Summers looked lost when the D took away his first option when playing press coverage. BYU bottled up the rush lanes and held contain. Still not game ready to go through his progressions yet...will take some practice.

Really was pulling for the Pirates.

Maybe you should watch a couple more ECU games before forming an opinion. If you watch a few more games then you will see why Summers started. Just watch a couple more games and you will see why.

I can see why both need to play going forward, and it wouldn't surprise me if neither is the starting QB next year.

(10-11-2015 05:55 PM)PirateMarv Wrote:  

(10-11-2015 03:37 PM)UHRedcat96 Wrote:  Lookingat the byu game from an outsider's perspective:
1) Kemp was the FAR better QB. He really throws a nice catchable ball. Not a HUGE arm, but good enough to get it where it needs to be. Very nice touch getting the ball where his guy can make an easy catch. See the field WAAAAAAY better than the other QB

2) Summers looked lost when the D took away his first option when playing press coverage. BYU bottled up the rush lanes and held contain. Still not game ready to go through his progressions yet...will take some practice.

Really was pulling for the Pirates.

Maybe you should watch a couple more ECU games before forming an opinion. If you watch a few more games then you will see why Summers started. Just watch a couple more games and you will see why.

I mean why the hell do you need to do that when you have 4 year old rivals high school rankings

Signed Marvin

Hell you had crowned Summers after 1.3 games worth of action vs SMU and a Virginia Tech that didn't even know he was going to play. If this is the criteria 371 yards passing in 3 quarters last night vs a better team than either on the road isn't that much less than what you were going off of.

Here are the pass eff ratings, and Kemp has already thrown 200+ passes and almost as many passes as some of these guys did in entire years.

150.0: Carden 2013
146.1: Blake 1991
143.0: Carden 2012
143.1: Garrard 1998
142.5: Kemp 2015
140.8: Carden 2014
134.0: Davis 2010
131.5: Davis 2011
130.2: Garrard 2001
128.6: Garrard 1999
128.4: Garrard 2000
123.4: Crandell 1994
120.6: Crandell 1996
112.2: Crandell 1995

Kemp has done this vs the #18th ranked schedule according to Sagarin most of the passes and yards of which were thrown on the best teams of that including a quarter of them on #8 Florida without Travon Brown.

Should probably keep in mind the top year Carden was going against bad CUSA with teams like FAU.

The point is Kemp has been very good by any ECU QB standards passing the ball especially considering the competition, even in this air raid offense standards. He's having a season so far that rated higher than several of the Texas Tech years under Leach as well.

(10-11-2015 06:18 PM)StillJonesing Wrote:  

(10-11-2015 05:55 PM)PirateMarv Wrote:  

(10-11-2015 03:37 PM)UHRedcat96 Wrote:  Lookingat the byu game from an outsider's perspective:
1) Kemp was the FAR better QB. He really throws a nice catchable ball. Not a HUGE arm, but good enough to get it where it needs to be. Very nice touch getting the ball where his guy can make an easy catch. See the field WAAAAAAY better than the other QB

2) Summers looked lost when the D took away his first option when playing press coverage. BYU bottled up the rush lanes and held contain. Still not game ready to go through his progressions yet...will take some practice.

Really was pulling for the Pirates.

Maybe you should watch a couple more ECU games before forming an opinion. If you watch a few more games then you will see why Summers started. Just watch a couple more games and you will see why.

I mean why the hell do you need to do that when you have 4 year old rivals high school rankings

Signed Marvin

Hell you had crowned Summers after 1.3 games worth of action vs SMU and a Virginia Tech that didn't even know he was going to play. If this is the criteria 371 yards passing in 3 quarters last night vs a better team than either on the road isn't that much less than what you were going off of.

You remain the dumbest dumbshiet on the board which is hard to do. You are literally spouting nonsense (again). The guy you are touting to be quarterback is a turnover machine. He has had a interception and fumble in each game, except for the game against the FCS team. Forget the fact that ECU has lost the games that you are pushing the guys stats in (BYU and Florida).

ECU wins with Summers. ECU loses with Kemp.

I am still waiting on you to explain to me once again how Temple was going to have a bad season in basketball last year.

(10-11-2015 05:58 PM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  I can see why both need to play going forward, and it wouldn't surprise me if neither is the starting QB next year.

It wouldn't surprise me either, and that's not to take anything away from either of them because they have both been very good. I just think that much of Kurt Benkert and his ability. I also think about how scary Summers can be if we was a WR or even a running back. That kid in open field is dangerous.

I think Summers is a good QB but he is relying on his athletic ability, which to his credit, is good enough against a lot of defenses. But against well prepared talented defenses he's going to struggle because he hasn't had time to learn how to read defenses. Remember most of our QB's including Kemp at least have a redshirt year to learn this, he had a few days to learn our playbook and is still learning. I think he will do well down the stretch but I don't think there is any doubt right now that Kemp has a better understanding of the offense and we can do more with him in there right now.

The great thing is when one struggles the other steps up and has a big game, that's a great thing to have and give credit to both players.

(10-12-2015 02:04 PM)k-vegasbuc Wrote:  It wouldn't surprise me either, and that's not to take anything away from either of them because they have both been very good.

At least most reasonable people can admit that at this point. Save Marv and a few handful of the other rocket scientist around here still trying to take craps on Kemp.

(10-12-2015 02:07 PM)StillJonesing Wrote:  

(10-12-2015 02:04 PM)k-vegasbuc Wrote:  It wouldn't surprise me either, and that's not to take anything away from either of them because they have both been very good.

At least most reasonable people can admit that at this point. Save Marv and a few handful of the other idiots around here still trying to take $hits on Kemp.

That quote came from CSNBBS' biggest idiot.

Well when you have to start changing the subject to different teams and even different sports no less you know clearlyhave no traction and are losing the argument.

(10-12-2015 02:00 PM)PirateMarv Wrote:  I am still waiting on you to explain to me once again how Temple was going to have a bad season in basketball last year.

Only took one of the greatest turnarounds in NCAA history .

I get get a lot right, including UConn preseason prediction last year in the same thoughts people mocked me for. You get most wrong Marv yet you got this one little preseason thought you try to hold over my head constantly, hey I got a whole list of stupid crap you said about Sherrod, Wakefield Ellison, Chris Turners etc, oh and Kemp, you know the current guy you think is garbage that doesn't even deserve to play D1 yet somehow is having one of the best statistical seasons of any ECU QB despite playing one of the toughest schedule in the nation at this point.

Kemp looked awesome for the most part. He had a couple of bad plays, but that game might have gotten ugly if he didn't come in. I guess the coaches who see the players every day in practice know more than me (and some other posters here) after all.

I still think it's reasonable from what we all saw in prior games to think that Summers was the better choice going into the game, but that doesn't change the fact that I was flat out wrong on this one.

(10-13-2015 01:50 AM)TheEastisPurple Wrote:  Kemp looked awesome for the most part. He had a couple of bad plays, but that game might have gotten ugly if he didn't come in. I guess the coaches who see the players every day in practice know more than me (and some other posters here) after all.

I still think it's reasonable from what we all saw in prior games to think that Summers was the better choice going into the game, but that doesn't change the fact that I was flat out wrong on this one.

I don't think anybody on either side was exactly wrong. Kemp knows the offense better and Summers is the better athlete. ECU needed both of them to win games in different situations. The situations just makes me wish Summer knew the entire playbook and didn't have to rely on his athleticism. I do think that Summers poaching playing time from Kemp has made him better, but Summers with a year experience would have been a terrifying QB to face.

(10-13-2015 07:12 AM)200yrs2late Wrote:  

(10-13-2015 01:50 AM)TheEastisPurple Wrote:  Kemp looked awesome for the most part. He had a couple of bad plays, but that game might have gotten ugly if he didn't come in. I guess the coaches who see the players every day in practice know more than me (and some other posters here) after all.

I still think it's reasonable from what we all saw in prior games to think that Summers was the better choice going into the game, but that doesn't change the fact that I was flat out wrong on this one.

I don't think anybody on either side was exactly wrong. Kemp knows the offense better and Summers is the better athlete. ECU needed both of them to win games in different situations. The situations just makes me wish Summer knew the entire playbook and didn't have to rely on his athleticism. I do think that Summers poaching playing time from Kemp has made him better, but Summers with a year experience would have been a terrifying QB to face.

That's basically it, for some reason our fanbase turned this QB competition into a divide where some totally supported one or the other instead of both. The bottom line is both have their strengths and weaknesses and last week just happened to be the first week we saw Summer's weaknesses. The truth is we can win games with both QB's and will see them both play from here on out based on what the other defenses are giving us.