(10-07-2015 10:57 AM)ecumbh1999 Wrote:  

(10-07-2015 09:45 AM)pesik Wrote:  

(10-07-2015 09:29 AM)ecumbh1999 Wrote:  And, you have an almost unhealthy obsession with making sure you go out of your way to discredit ECU, yet consistently over rate your own school.

please point out the discrediting???
ecu definitiong of discrediting= saying they arent the greatest team ever, saying losing a ton of guys on defense is a question mark theat "the backups arent always better than the starters", or stepping up to a better conference will be a challange (last year).... i have said nothing aginst ecu that is discrediting something that is legit..i have countered ridiculous claims by ecu like this one

for some reason your 2 qbs who are JC who had no other offers from those jc, who 5 games into the season your coach doesnt feel confident in either to make one the full starter will for some reason have our QB who is on numerous heisman watchlists on the bench?

and im the one overrating my school and my players??
i clealry wrote for cincy ward is likely the back up with kiel

i also find it funny yet again anoter super homer, thinks i am obsessed with "their specific school" and putting it in a negative light because i dont agree with their delusions get in line, uconn, usf, ucf,memphis and tulsa already called dibs on me

You said said Carden wasn't the best QB last last year and said he would only throw for around 3,600 yards. Well, He was the Conference Offensive Player of the Year, and you were low on your prediction by about 1,000 yards.

Discredited Zeek Bigger as one of the best LB's in the conference, he lead the conference in tackles last year. Didn't think Hardy was all that great, saying Greenberry was better, yet he only had one 1,000 yard rec. year. Hardy had 3 1,000 yard seasons and set the NCAA record for receptions.

I could go on.

Oh I didn't realize that he was that crazy.

Thanks.

(10-07-2015 10:58 AM)pesik Wrote:  

(10-07-2015 10:48 AM)ecumbh1999 Wrote:  In week 1 he had been cleared to play for about 5 days. Again, going out of your way to dismiss anything to do with ECU.

you missed the point...that from that point till today is longer than a fall training camp

every year, tons of qbs come into fall camps and win jobs/learn play books before game 1
start of fall camp to end of fall camp< 5 days before week to heading into week6

and ecumbh1999 we get it you're a blind homer and saying ward would be summers bench warmer is the only way to not discredit ecu

I did not say that, not even once. I never addressed that part of Marv's post.

(10-07-2015 10:57 AM)ecumbh1999 Wrote:  

(10-07-2015 09:45 AM)pesik Wrote:  

(10-07-2015 09:29 AM)ecumbh1999 Wrote:  And, you have an almost unhealthy obsession with making sure you go out of your way to discredit ECU, yet consistently over rate your own school.

please point out the discrediting???
ecu definitiong of discrediting= saying they arent the greatest team ever, saying losing a ton of guys on defense is a question mark theat "the backups arent always better than the starters", or stepping up to a better conference will be a challange (last year).... i have said nothing aginst ecu that is discrediting something that is legit..i have countered ridiculous claims by ecu like this one

for some reason your 2 qbs who are JC who had no other offers from those jc, who 5 games into the season your coach doesnt feel confident in either to make one the full starter will for some reason have our QB who is on numerous heisman watchlists on the bench?

and im the one overrating my school and my players??
i clealry wrote for cincy ward is likely the back up with kiel

i also find it funny yet again anoter super homer, thinks i am obsessed with "their specific school" and putting it in a negative light because i dont agree with their delusions get in line, uconn, usf, ucf,memphis and tulsa already called dibs on me

You said said Carden wasn't the best QB last last year and said he would only throw for around 3,600 yards. Well, He was the Conference Offensive Player of the Year, and you were low on your prediction by about 1,000 yards.

Discredited Zeek Bigger as one of the best LB's in the conference, he lead the conference in tackles last year. Didn't think Hardy was all that great, saying Greenberry was better, yet he only had one 1,000 yard rec. year. Hardy had 3 1,000 yard seasons and set the NCAA record for receptions.

I could go on.

and i already had this convo with stilljones... i said his stats would marginal decrease because of the increase in competition, i thought it would reflect in yards
i was wrong, it reflected in Pass effeciency, which worsened, his completion percentage, td:int ratio and qbr were worse.

throwing the ball more doesnt mean better..i also preseason said he was going to be player of the year..so not sure what the debate there is

and i said greenberry was better becuase EVERYONE else said so aswell, DG was a rated a first-3rd round pick going into the season, and top 4 early draft elgible WR...your point on this is dumb, if Cincy fans said preseason gunner was going to be the best QB in the league, they arent discrediting ward, they were going with what was the the general perception from anyone not a houston fan.....all because ward is viewed as better now, doesnt mean preseason uc was discrediting us...no one knew DG would lead the nation in drops

and lastly the debate with Bigger was about first team all conference last year, something he ended up not getting ..i said he wasnt going to get it becuase of league was stacked in LBs and ecu fans were saying he was the best in the league and was going to get it.. i just said he wasnt getting first team, which he ended up not getting

this proves my point... you are blind homer, and if for some reason anyone doesnt think everything ecu has is the greatest "you are trying to disccredit them"..no where in the statements above was i trying to take away anything deserved....

-----carden will be the best qb, but his stats will marginally be worse than last year
-----greenberry who is rated higher by everyone in the nation is a better wr than hardy based on his measurements, sophmore stats and the fact everyone else in the nation agrees
------zeek bigger wasnt getting first team becuase we are stacked at Lbs in this league (something he didnt get)

please skip your Homerism for someone else

Purely looking at QB, I think Ward is not the best. He needs to work on placement and accuracy. I think Lynch is the best QB in the league. Another year of actually learning the position, who knows.

However, IMO when he is on the field it is hard pressed to find another player better then him. I think as of right now he is the POTY.

The best way to attack him is to slow rush him and play coverage. For the life of me I don't get why defenses blitz or rush him. To large of a chance he gets by that rush and he is off to the races.

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(10-07-2015 11:21 AM)3rdWardCoog Wrote:  Purely looking at QB, I think Ward is not the best. He needs to work on placement and accuracy. I think Lynch is the best QB in the league. Another year of actually learning the position, who knows.

However, IMO when he is on the field it is hard pressed to find another player better then him. I think as of right now he is the POTY.

The best way to attack him is to slow rush him and play coverage. For the life of me I don't get why defenses blitz or rush him. To large of a chance he gets by that rush and he is off to the races.

I think it depends on how you classify a QB. In your case, it seems like a QB is just a passer. But a QB can be so much more.

Let's look at a similar example at RB. What is a RB? Most would say he's a player who carries the ball. So let's look at Charles Sims in 2009. As a RB, he only had 698 rushing. Not that impressive. But then you add in 759 receiving yards, and you're at 1457 yards. If he ran the ball for 1400 yards, he would be considered an elite RB, but since only 700 of the 1400 yards are rushing, does that make him a average to below average RB?

Don't pigeonhole a player's quality based on 1 skill set if he has another skill set that more than offsets it.

(10-07-2015 12:05 PM)NTXCoog Wrote:  

(10-07-2015 11:21 AM)3rdWardCoog Wrote:  Purely looking at QB, I think Ward is not the best. He needs to work on placement and accuracy. I think Lynch is the best QB in the league. Another year of actually learning the position, who knows.

However, IMO when he is on the field it is hard pressed to find another player better then him. I think as of right now he is the POTY.

The best way to attack him is to slow rush him and play coverage. For the life of me I don't get why defenses blitz or rush him. To large of a chance he gets by that rush and he is off to the races.

I think it depends on how you classify a QB. In your case, it seems like a QB is just a passer. But a QB can be so much more.

Let's look at a similar example at RB. What is a RB? Most would say he's a player who carries the ball. So let's look at Charles Sims in 2009. As a RB, he only had 698 rushing. Not that impressive. But then you add in 759 receiving yards, and you're at 1457 yards. If he ran the ball for 1400 yards, he would be considered an elite RB, but since only 700 of the 1400 yards are rushing, does that make him a average to below average RB?

Don't pigeonhole a player's quality based on 1 skill set if he has another skill set that more than offsets it.

They are all backs. Walter Payton filled in at quarterback during a playoff game once for the Bears. Payton was also damn good on those half back option passes that the Bears would call.

Quarter, half or full. They are all backs. And to me half backs should be required to learn to throw those option passes like they used to in the old days and quarterbacks should be forced to run those option run plays; even if the quarterback is slow as Hell. When teams run that stuff; it makes them so unpredictable and scary.

(10-07-2015 11:14 AM)pesik Wrote:  

(10-07-2015 10:57 AM)ecumbh1999 Wrote:  

(10-07-2015 09:45 AM)pesik Wrote:  

(10-07-2015 09:29 AM)ecumbh1999 Wrote:  And, you have an almost unhealthy obsession with making sure you go out of your way to discredit ECU, yet consistently over rate your own school.

please point out the discrediting???
ecu definitiong of discrediting= saying they arent the greatest team ever, saying losing a ton of guys on defense is a question mark theat "the backups arent always better than the starters", or stepping up to a better conference will be a challange (last year).... i have said nothing aginst ecu that is discrediting something that is legit..i have countered ridiculous claims by ecu like this one

for some reason your 2 qbs who are JC who had no other offers from those jc, who 5 games into the season your coach doesnt feel confident in either to make one the full starter will for some reason have our QB who is on numerous heisman watchlists on the bench?

and im the one overrating my school and my players??
i clealry wrote for cincy ward is likely the back up with kiel

i also find it funny yet again anoter super homer, thinks i am obsessed with "their specific school" and putting it in a negative light because i dont agree with their delusions get in line, uconn, usf, ucf,memphis and tulsa already called dibs on me

You said said Carden wasn't the best QB last last year and said he would only throw for around 3,600 yards. Well, He was the Conference Offensive Player of the Year, and you were low on your prediction by about 1,000 yards.

Discredited Zeek Bigger as one of the best LB's in the conference, he lead the conference in tackles last year. Didn't think Hardy was all that great, saying Greenberry was better, yet he only had one 1,000 yard rec. year. Hardy had 3 1,000 yard seasons and set the NCAA record for receptions.

I could go on.

and i already had this convo with stilljones... i said his stats would marginal decrease because of the increase in competition, i thought it would reflect in yards
i was wrong, it reflected in Pass effeciency, which worsened, his completion percentage, td:int ratio and qbr were worse.

throwing the ball more doesnt mean better..i also preseason said he was going to be player of the year..so not sure what the debate there is

and i said greenberry was better becuase EVERYONE else said so aswell, DG was a rated a first-3rd round pick going into the season, and top 4 early draft elgible WR...your point on this is dumb, if Cincy fans said preseason gunner was going to be the best QB in the league, they arent discrediting ward, they were going with what was the the general perception from anyone not a houston fan.....all because ward is viewed as better now, doesnt mean preseason uc was discrediting us...no one knew DG would lead the nation in drops

and lastly the debate with Bigger was about first team all conference last year, something he ended up not getting ..i said he wasnt going to get it becuase of league was stacked in LBs and ecu fans were saying he was the best in the league and was going to get it.. i just said he wasnt getting first team, which he ended up not getting

this proves my point... you are blind homer, and if for some reason anyone doesnt think everything ecu has is the greatest "you are trying to disccredit them"..no where in the statements above was i trying to take away anything deserved....

-----carden will be the best qb, but his stats will marginally be worse than last year
-----greenberry who is rated higher by everyone in the nation is a better wr than hardy based on his measurements, sophmore stats and the fact everyone else in the nation agrees
------zeek bigger wasnt getting first team becuase we are stacked at Lbs in this league (something he didnt get)

please skip your Homerism for someone else

Some is projecting............

(10-07-2015 12:05 PM)NTXCoog Wrote:  

(10-07-2015 11:21 AM)3rdWardCoog Wrote:  Purely looking at QB, I think Ward is not the best. He needs to work on placement and accuracy. I think Lynch is the best QB in the league. Another year of actually learning the position, who knows.

However, IMO when he is on the field it is hard pressed to find another player better then him. I think as of right now he is the POTY.

The best way to attack him is to slow rush him and play coverage. For the life of me I don't get why defenses blitz or rush him. To large of a chance he gets by that rush and he is off to the races.

I think it depends on how you classify a QB. In your case, it seems like a QB is just a passer. But a QB can be so much more.

Let's look at a similar example at RB. What is a RB? Most would say he's a player who carries the ball. So let's look at Charles Sims in 2009. As a RB, he only had 698 rushing. Not that impressive. But then you add in 759 receiving yards, and you're at 1457 yards. If he ran the ball for 1400 yards, he would be considered an elite RB, but since only 700 of the 1400 yards are rushing, does that make him a average to below average RB?

Don't pigeonhole a player's quality based on 1 skill set if he has another skill set that more than offsets it.

I'm talking pure QB skills. Your Sims argument is not accurate to what I am saying as a RB in the system he was in asked him to be a receiver a lot more then a sole RB. UH when Sims was here was not a "running" team. We asked our RB to catch the ball and run jet sweeps mostly while we used screens and little dink and dump passes as "running plays". I called out placement and accuracy which are things a QB must have.

Your argument supports my POW as he was skills sets that offset his lack (right now) of true QB skills.

lack of true qbs skill is laughable.... i honestly cant stand the UH fans who criticize every single pass he makees....the gist of him not having qb skills is because he missed 3 passes in 2 games total that were blowouts....

while trying ignore all the passes and needles he thread in what are in his 90 other passes at a 70% completion rate...some of you need to rewatch the lousiville game...

i can point out just as many missed passes from the qb you are comparing him too...you can literally see some of them in the highlights of his last game (its was a conference game so they showed highlights of both side)..

the point im making is no qb is perfect..NONE...especially not a college qb..it really bother me when ward will make 6 pin point accurate passes ...then slightly overthrow a 50yard pass and everyone is like "he isnt a good passer" and trying to pigeon hole him because of preconceived notion of him being a WR ( a position he barely played)

Lynch is a projected first round pick and Pesik still can't bring himself to say anything positive about the guy.

(10-08-2015 03:52 PM)transitt Wrote:  Lynch is a projected first round pick and Pesik still can't bring himself to say anything positive about the guy.

gunner kiel was a projected the highest draft eligible player till his injury problems and in kipers last big board (pre injury) and you still said paxton was the best qb then....i guess we only validate points when and only if its in our favor

sidenote: a ton of memphis fans trashed hackenberg a few threads/weeks ago, hackenberg has been a first round projected player since he was a true freshmen

secondly can you read, i know you have super homer senses only notices anyything that might even be remotely percieved as negative just to pounce...but read the damn thread i had a conversation with a memphis fan in the earlier pages....about memphis players on the first team ...and i said paxton has a great chance to get it, that if he wins the conference he will be lock

and even now ive said nothing bad about him, you just want to perceive it as bad ..im saying paxton is a great qb, and he even has missed some passes...that alot of people question ward as a passer becuase he slighly over threw a total of maybe 3 in this season...that is even the qbs you consider to be great at passing miss aswell..

What's laughable is I try to have a actual football X & O conversation some people on message boards. I take that blame.

Carry on gents..