(10-05-2015 06:05 PM)pesik Wrote:  

(10-05-2015 05:35 PM)transitt Wrote:  If the biggest thing you can ding Paxton for is that he ALMOST threw an interception...

The guy is throwing at over a 70% accuracy rate. He's top ten in total passing yards, third in yards per attempt, fourth in passer rating, and of the top ten in passing yards is the only one without an interception. Oh, and he's on a 12 game win streak...

Yes, all three are very different QBs and all being a great and unique skillset. As far as a passer, though, Paxton is the best in the league bar none.

it wasnt a ding on paxton..he deducted points from ward for missing a pass last game, and i said paxton has had some bad passes too
my point was that he was nitpicking details of ward but giving paxton the a nice big bigger picture without nitpicking his details

and so we are aware, ward has similar completion percentage and qbr to paxton, and before last week ward was actually higher on both

paxton has 500 more passing yards but has played 1 more game, but ward has 400 more rushing yards


and to me without question the best passer in this league is gunner kiel....
before you attack, ward uses his scrambles as a tool, and memphis offense is heavily reliant on the play action and misdirection...gunner almost every play is just in the pocket picking apart defenses..their arent 2 fake handoffs and then people running one way or another like memphis, its just him

the kid cant stay healthy to save his life but to me he is the best pure passer in the league

Not to take anything from Kiel, but they have some motions and things as well. Having said that, a healthy Kiel would absolutely be in contention.

Deep position in the AAC...

(10-05-2015 06:29 PM)transitt Wrote:  Paxton played ONE QUARTER vs Mo St and 2 1/2 vs Kansas.

He's top ten in the nation in every passing category....top 5 in most. It's odd that you mention the play action because Paxton is third in the country in yards per attempt. Kiel might be the best passer (according to you), but Lynch is the one who has shown it. Paxton Lynch is one of the best quarterbacks in the country....not AAC, the country. His stats 100% back that up.

i wish youd look at both sides when debating for someone verus someone else...

in half of your points you use (not just in this debate) the points you are using against someone normally counts for the other person aswell

ward hasnt played most of his games either ....and ps paxton played the full first half versus missouri state, i watched the game
and kiel has shown he is a great passer he was given a 3rd round grade from last year alone, his first year playing and he missed tons of games from injury (if he left as junior). he just cant sustain playing

(10-05-2015 06:17 PM)ecumbh1999 Wrote:  

(10-05-2015 05:10 PM)oldtiger Wrote:  

(10-05-2015 04:34 PM)DowdyPirate Wrote:  

(10-05-2015 04:21 PM)3601 Wrote:  

(10-05-2015 03:22 PM)NBPirate Wrote:  The only one I'm absolutely sure about is Worthy our punter. He might be the best in the nation.

Hmmmm. He ranks 7th in conference stats....

http://theamerican.org/custompages/stats...m#conf.wi2

Lmao that's based off one stat. He's a Alabama transfer, he's the best punter in the league hands down.

Agree, it is just one stat. However, it "yards per punt", which we would agree is a significant or even most significant stat for a punter. Would it makes sense for you to explain what factors would move him from 7th to "best punter in the league hands down". That's a big jump. Thanks Dowdy.

Punts inside the 20, many being inside the 10.

Obviously I knew that.

I'm not getting into a long drawn out argument about this or that merit. I merely offered an opportunity to explain why he would be by far the best, but we will just move on. It's not a big deal and not worth a long, long discussion. Cheers

While we're talking about punters, that play the VT punter made when the ball was snapped over his head and he tracked it down in the end zone and booted a 60 yard punt may be one of the best plays I ever saw a punter make.

Kyle Friend C and possibly Dion Dawkins at G from Temple.

(10-05-2015 06:31 PM)Chappy Wrote:  Yards per punt is a silly, useless stat.

If you're not punting from deep in your own territory, you don't WANT the ball to go 70 yards.

If I ruled the world of statistics, my punting stats would be inside 5, inside 10, inside 20, fair catches and that's about it.

What about net yardage?

(10-05-2015 08:07 PM)GLinPa Wrote:  

(10-05-2015 06:31 PM)Chappy Wrote:  Yards per punt is a silly, useless stat.

If you're not punting from deep in your own territory, you don't WANT the ball to go 70 yards.

If I ruled the world of statistics, my punting stats would be inside 5, inside 10, inside 20, fair catches and that's about it.

What about net yardage?

Well, ECU punted a couple of times from the 40 yard line vs SMU. I remember one of those punts rolled out of bounds at the 9. It was a beauty of a punt, but only netted 31 yards. So a low net average doesn't necessarily mean the guy isn't capable of booming it. That's why I say it's a very misleading stat.

(10-05-2015 06:58 PM)pesik Wrote:  

(10-05-2015 06:29 PM)transitt Wrote:  Paxton played ONE QUARTER vs Mo St and 2 1/2 vs Kansas.

He's top ten in the nation in every passing category....top 5 in most. It's odd that you mention the play action because Paxton is third in the country in yards per attempt. Kiel might be the best passer (according to you), but Lynch is the one who has shown it. Paxton Lynch is one of the best quarterbacks in the country....not AAC, the country. His stats 100% back that up.

i wish youd look at both sides when debating for someone verus someone else...

in half of your points you use (not just in this debate) the points you are using against someone normally counts for the other person aswell

ward hasnt played most of his games either ....and ps paxton played the full first half versus missouri state, i watched the game
and kiel has shown he is a great passer he was given a 3rd round grade from last year alone, his first year playing and he missed tons of games from injury (if he left as junior). he just cant sustain playing

I do look at both sides and have complimented award more than once in this very thread. You, on the other hand, have gone out of your way to not make a single positive statement about Lynch. I simply stated that he is the best passing quarterback in the league . I base that off the fact that he has the most yards, the highest completion percentage, the highest rating, and the fewest interceptions. Oh, and twelve wins in a row. My statement has quite a bit of merit. I'll end this debate because you would have to give Memphis credit for something and you've already shown yourself unwilling to do so.

(10-05-2015 10:59 PM)transitt Wrote:  

(10-05-2015 06:58 PM)pesik Wrote:  

(10-05-2015 06:29 PM)transitt Wrote:  Paxton played ONE QUARTER vs Mo St and 2 1/2 vs Kansas.

He's top ten in the nation in every passing category....top 5 in most. It's odd that you mention the play action because Paxton is third in the country in yards per attempt. Kiel might be the best passer (according to you), but Lynch is the one who has shown it. Paxton Lynch is one of the best quarterbacks in the country....not AAC, the country. His stats 100% back that up.

i wish youd look at both sides when debating for someone verus someone else...

in half of your points you use (not just in this debate) the points you are using against someone normally counts for the other person aswell

ward hasnt played most of his games either ....and ps paxton played the full first half versus missouri state, i watched the game
and kiel has shown he is a great passer he was given a 3rd round grade from last year alone, his first year playing and he missed tons of games from injury (if he left as junior). he just cant sustain playing

I do look at both sides and have complimented award more than once in this very thread. You, on the other hand, have gone out of your way to not make a single positive statement about Lynch. I simply stated that he is the best passing quarterback in the league . I base that off the fact that he has the most yards, the highest completion percentage, the highest rating, and the fewest interceptions. Oh, and twelve wins in a row. My statement has quite a bit of merit. I'll end this debate because you would have to give Memphis credit for something and you've already shown yourself unwilling to do so.

I thought Pesik's initial list was without bias and I think I may have indicated as much.

But, I agree that we've all got a problem being objective.

I respectfully asked why the ECU punter should be rated the best in the conference and the answer was 1) sometimes he downs the ball inside the 20 and 2) he punted from SMU's 40 twice. No comparison to any other punters...... no stats, nothing tangible. Seriously....those were the reasons given; compelling argument, huh? The ECU punter may indeed be the best in the conference, but we wouldn't know it based on those reasons.

If we really want objectivity in comparing "best in conference", we almost have to forbid anyone actively promoting a player on the squad they cheer for.

(10-06-2015 12:30 AM)oldtiger Wrote:  

(10-05-2015 10:59 PM)transitt Wrote:  

(10-05-2015 06:58 PM)pesik Wrote:  

(10-05-2015 06:29 PM)transitt Wrote:  Paxton played ONE QUARTER vs Mo St and 2 1/2 vs Kansas.

He's top ten in the nation in every passing category....top 5 in most. It's odd that you mention the play action because Paxton is third in the country in yards per attempt. Kiel might be the best passer (according to you), but Lynch is the one who has shown it. Paxton Lynch is one of the best quarterbacks in the country....not AAC, the country. His stats 100% back that up.

i wish youd look at both sides when debating for someone verus someone else...

in half of your points you use (not just in this debate) the points you are using against someone normally counts for the other person aswell

ward hasnt played most of his games either ....and ps paxton played the full first half versus missouri state, i watched the game
and kiel has shown he is a great passer he was given a 3rd round grade from last year alone, his first year playing and he missed tons of games from injury (if he left as junior). he just cant sustain playing

I do look at both sides and have complimented award more than once in this very thread. You, on the other hand, have gone out of your way to not make a single positive statement about Lynch. I simply stated that he is the best passing quarterback in the league . I base that off the fact that he has the most yards, the highest completion percentage, the highest rating, and the fewest interceptions. Oh, and twelve wins in a row. My statement has quite a bit of merit. I'll end this debate because you would have to give Memphis credit for something and you've already shown yourself unwilling to do so.

I thought Pesik's initial list was without bias and I think I may have indicated as much.

But, I agree that we've all got a problem being objective.

I respectfully asked why the ECU punter should be rated the best in the conference and the answer was 1) sometimes he downs the ball inside the 20 and 2) he punted from SMU's 40 twice. No comparison to any other punters...... no stats, nothing tangible. Seriously....those were the reasons given; compelling argument, huh? The ECU punter may indeed be the best in the conference, but we wouldn't know it based on those reasons.

If we really want objectivity in comparing "best in conference", we almost have to forbid anyone actively promoting a player on the squad they cheer for.

Of course I'm biased....but in this case I absolutely have the numbers on my side. Note that I never said that Lynch was the best player or even quarterback in the AAC. I stated that he was the best passing quarterback in the league. According to the stats, he is.

(10-06-2015 12:40 AM)transitt Wrote:  

(10-06-2015 12:30 AM)oldtiger Wrote:  

(10-05-2015 10:59 PM)transitt Wrote:  

(10-05-2015 06:58 PM)pesik Wrote:  

(10-05-2015 06:29 PM)transitt Wrote:  Paxton played ONE QUARTER vs Mo St and 2 1/2 vs Kansas.

He's top ten in the nation in every passing category....top 5 in most. It's odd that you mention the play action because Paxton is third in the country in yards per attempt. Kiel might be the best passer (according to you), but Lynch is the one who has shown it. Paxton Lynch is one of the best quarterbacks in the country....not AAC, the country. His stats 100% back that up.

i wish youd look at both sides when debating for someone verus someone else...

in half of your points you use (not just in this debate) the points you are using against someone normally counts for the other person aswell

ward hasnt played most of his games either ....and ps paxton played the full first half versus missouri state, i watched the game
and kiel has shown he is a great passer he was given a 3rd round grade from last year alone, his first year playing and he missed tons of games from injury (if he left as junior). he just cant sustain playing

I do look at both sides and have complimented award more than once in this very thread. You, on the other hand, have gone out of your way to not make a single positive statement about Lynch. I simply stated that he is the best passing quarterback in the league . I base that off the fact that he has the most yards, the highest completion percentage, the highest rating, and the fewest interceptions. Oh, and twelve wins in a row. My statement has quite a bit of merit. I'll end this debate because you would have to give Memphis credit for something and you've already shown yourself unwilling to do so.

I thought Pesik's initial list was without bias and I think I may have indicated as much.

But, I agree that we've all got a problem being objective.

I respectfully asked why the ECU punter should be rated the best in the conference and the answer was 1) sometimes he downs the ball inside the 20 and 2) he punted from SMU's 40 twice. No comparison to any other punters...... no stats, nothing tangible. Seriously....those were the reasons given; compelling argument, huh? The ECU punter may indeed be the best in the conference, but we wouldn't know it based on those reasons.

If we really want objectivity in comparing "best in conference", we almost have to forbid anyone actively promoting a player on the squad they cheer for.

Of course I'm biased....but in this case I absolutely have the numbers on my side. Note that I never said that Lynch was the best player or even quarterback in the AAC. I stated that he was the best passing quarterback in the league. According to the stats, he is.

I'm not arguing with you, or the good folks from ECU, I'm just being critical of the process.

Ward maybe the most difficult quarterback to stop in this league.

(10-06-2015 03:39 AM)Crazier Wrote:  Ward maybe the most difficult quarterback to stop in this league.

He is a pain for opposing defenses, that's for sure. He can get you through the air or on the ground!

https://twitter.com/stephenigoe/status/6...6978009090

(10-06-2015 09:24 AM)ecumbh1999 Wrote:  https://twitter.com/stephenigoe/status/6...6978009090

~75 yards in the air? Sick.

(10-06-2015 11:44 AM)Kronke Wrote:  

(10-06-2015 09:24 AM)ecumbh1999 Wrote:  https://twitter.com/stephenigoe/status/6...6978009090

~75 yards in the air? Sick.

Think it bounced at the 8 so around 65-68 yards, but still.

(10-06-2015 03:39 AM)Crazier Wrote:  Ward maybe the most difficult quarterback to stop in this league.

I believe Reynolds is.

Just because I'm now hung up on punters and coming up with a stat that will show how good they are, here are Gregory's 4 punts from Saturday's game at SMU:

From ECU 29 - 68 yards (SMU 3 yard line)
From ECU 48 - 48 yards (SMU 4 yard line)
From SMU 37 - 28 yards (SMU 9 yard line)
From ECU 49 - 39 yards (SMU 12 yard line)

As you can plainly see, the first punt he needed to give it some boom, but on the other 3, if he kicked it as far as he could, SMU would have been starting at the 20 instead of the 4, 9 and 12.

Perhaps a good stat for punting would be a percentage of the perfect punt... What's the best case scenario for each punt, and how close to that did the punter get?

The best case scenario is always going to be the 1 yard line... so:

From ECU 29 - 68 yards (SMU 3 yard line) - 68 out of 70 yards = 97%
From ECU 48 - 48 yards (SMU 4 yard line) - 48 out of 51 yards = 94%
From SMU 37 - 28 yards (SMU 9 yard line) - 28 out of 36 yards = 78%
From ECU 49 - 39 yards (SMU 12 yard line) - 39 out of 50 yards = 78%
Total for all 4 punts - 183 of a best case scenario of 207 = 88.4%

So if I ruled the world of football statistics, Gregory's stat line would look like:

Touchbacks - 0/4
Inside 20 - 4/4
Inside 15 - 4/4
Inside 10 - 3/4
Inside 5 - 2/4
Total Punt Percentage = 88.4%

Okay, I'm done geeking out over punting statistics now.

(10-06-2015 12:42 PM)HuskyU Wrote:  

(10-06-2015 03:39 AM)Crazier Wrote:  Ward maybe the most difficult quarterback to stop in this league.

I believe Reynolds is.

you play both of us....no need to guess, you can see both

you might eat these words come game time

(10-06-2015 12:43 PM)Chappy Wrote:  Just because I'm now hung up on punters and coming up with a stat that will show how good they are, here are Gregory's 4 punts from Saturday's game at SMU:

From ECU 29 - 68 yards (SMU 3 yard line)
From ECU 48 - 48 yards (SMU 4 yard line)
From SMU 37 - 28 yards (SMU 9 yard line)
From ECU 49 - 39 yards (SMU 12 yard line)

As you can plainly see, the first punt he needed to give it some boom, but on the other 3, if he kicked it as far as he could, SMU would have been starting at the 20 instead of the 4, 9 and 12.

Perhaps a good stat for punting would be a percentage of the perfect punt... What's the best case scenario for each punt, and how close to that did the punter get?

The best case scenario is always going to be the 1 yard line... so:

From ECU 29 - 68 yards (SMU 3 yard line) - 68 out of 70 yards = 97%
From ECU 48 - 48 yards (SMU 4 yard line) - 48 out of 51 yards = 94%
From SMU 37 - 28 yards (SMU 9 yard line) - 28 out of 36 yards = 78%
From ECU 49 - 39 yards (SMU 12 yard line) - 39 out of 50 yards = 78%
Total for all 4 punts - 183 of a best case scenario of 207 = 88.4%

So if I ruled the world of football statistics, Gregory's stat line would look like:

Touchbacks - 0/4
Inside 20 - 4/4
Inside 15 - 4/4
Inside 10 - 3/4
Inside 5 - 2/4
Total Punt Percentage = 88.4%

Okay, I'm done geeking out over punting statistics now.

Kudos Chappy.

You've done a really good job of stating you case.