If the ACC were ever going to consider going to 18 teams, I think it would be by adding football first schools who are also good in hoops. Texas, Oklahoma and Oklahoma State fit that description. So does West Virginia. Such a move would relegate the rest of the B12 to tweener status at best.

But I still haven't seen anything on the horizon big enough to overcome the hugely powerful force of inertia. Nobody needs to do anything right now. That's not to say every school is perfectly satisfied with the status quo. But neither are they so dissatisfied that they are likely to risk the unintended consequences that could accompany a sea change.

(10-05-2015 11:52 AM)Wedge Wrote:  

(10-05-2015 11:40 AM)HuskyU Wrote:  (3) Not sure why you included BC...but anyways...

Because the proposal was to put BC, Syracuse, Pitt, Louisville, and Notre Dame into a division apart from the rest of the current ACC.

Nice rebuttal to all my points.

As far as BC basketball is concerned, it'd probably be in the best interest to be grouped with northern/old Big East schools. Perhaps that would re-energize their fanbase. Regional rivals go a long way when the product is lacking.

(10-05-2015 12:01 PM)Wedge Wrote:  

(10-05-2015 11:52 AM)ken d Wrote:  

(10-05-2015 10:27 AM)goofus Wrote:  

(10-05-2015 09:59 AM)CardinalJim Wrote:  "ACC started this whole thing in 2004 anyway"

Actually The Big Ten started it in 1990 when Penn State gave up independence to join. Florida State didn't jump to The ACC (over The SEC) until 1991.

So if anyone started the conference expansion process it was The Big Ten.
CJ

This game can go on back to beginning of time.

No, it really started when the ACC added GT.

While this question is only incidental to the thread, IMO the biggest catalyst for realignment was the breakup of the SWC and formation of the Big XII. Before that, you primarily had independents being added to conferences (Penn State, Georgia Tech, Florida State, South Carolina) rather than conferences being raided.

The current round was driven by TV deals and by the 12-team football title game rule.

The first domino was Notre Dame leaving the CFA TV contract and getting their own deal with NBC.

The CFA falling apart led to conference-centered TV deals for everyone else, which drove big indies like Penn State and Florida State to seek TV money, TV exposure, and security, and drove the Big 8's addition of the Texas schools (because the Big 8 was not being offered TV money in the same ballpark as the others).

The SEC's move to poach Arkansas and add South Carolina for a 12-team league took longer but was eventually followed by every current P5 league (though the Big 12 "unfollowed" after losing a few schools).

The truth! The modern superconference 12 team 2 Division structure started with the SEC

This is a terrible thread with horrible ideas

The ACC needs to wait, see how much the B1G gets in their next contact, see how the Big XII plays out, and see if they can snag Texas!!

(10-05-2015 12:33 PM)EvilVodka Wrote:  This is a terrible thread with horrible ideas

The ACC needs to wait, see how much the B1G gets in their next contact, see how the Big XII plays out, and see if they can snag Texas!!

This thread isn't over until DavidSt gives us his realignment scenario.

(10-05-2015 12:51 PM)Cyniclone Wrote:  

(10-05-2015 12:33 PM)EvilVodka Wrote:  This is a terrible thread with horrible ideas

The ACC needs to wait, see how much the B1G gets in their next contact, see how the Big XII plays out, and see if they can snag Texas!!

This thread isn't over until DavidSt gives us his realignment scenario.

Hahaha. I'll bet that list is currently being compiled.

(10-05-2015 10:37 AM)bluesox Wrote:  I think it makes more sense for the ACC to jump to 18 with invites to uconn, cincy and WVU than break off into 3 pods of 6.

North: BC, UConn, Cuse, ND, Pitt, WVU
Central: UVA, Vtech, UNC, Duke, NC state, Wake
South: Cincy, Lville, Clem, Gtech, FSU, Miami

football format 5-2-2, hoop format 10-3-3

bring in navy, army or byu to play some of ND's games.

No thanks.

I can remember when Georgia Tech, Virginia Tech and North Carolina State were all very good Basketball Schools and each still has capacity to get back to those levels with just the right Coach. No I don't want a mixed hybrid conference again other than having ND. Even Miami, FSU and Wake have had exceptional seasons in the past. So there aren't any boring ACC Basketball programs in the conference.

What the ACC really needs is to beg eSPIN for more assistance, like in 2004, when years of propaganda and advice from eSPIN finally managed to undermine the Big East.

Oh wait, Mickey is cutting eSPIN off at the knees. Looks like no help will be coming from that direction. Without eSPIN, there is no ACC, and certainly no ACC network.

Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it.

Why anyone would want to repeat the same mistakes the Big East made is beyond me. Kinda like the definition of insanity - keep doing the same thing and expecting different results.......

Do it please

Bring in Rutgers and match up with Louisville and hire a prison warden to oversee the two teams -- because that's where many of the players will wind up: in prison.

I wanna play the old BE in Hoops and the ACC in everything else.

I'd see 2 scenarios:

Notre Dame goes all in and brings in either Cincy or UConn as full members. It stops there

Notre Dame stays psuedo-Indy in FB. ACC expands with UConn with a ND like deal and adds (2 of) Nova, SJU or GTown.

(10-05-2015 10:35 AM)GoldenWarrior11 Wrote:  The Old Big East proved that a mass football/non-football group pairing is not long-lasting, self-sustaining nor in the best interests of the schools as a whole. While the original goal of the Big East in the 1980's was big-time college basketball, the pursuit of being a power conference in football ultimately doomed the conference. The ACC is better off with football schools (and still being the top overall basketball conference) and the Big East is better off being a basketball-only league with a clear basketball-driven focus. Both conferences have like-minded schools that all get along with one another. No need to cause unrest with either just for the sake of addition(s).

With that being said, I sincerely doubt schools like Georgetown, Villanova, and St. Johns would want to turn back the clock and return to being in a league where football is the driving force in decision-making, and, thus, not having a large say over league matters in general. It's what caused so much unrest and uncertainty in the league for numerous years.

Same thing is happening in the MVC which the football schools want to go away from the basketball schools. They rather wanted the 4 Dakota schools and Western Illinois as full members, but the basketball schools wanted another non-football school which is a no name team that did not do anything to raise their RPI factor after losing Creighton. I could see Wichita State re-adds football, joins the rest of the football schools, and split away hoping that they can keep the MVC name, and rejoin the FBS level. I could see them trying to bring back West Texas A&M and Washburn to go FBS, and bring New Mexico State back into the fold.

(10-05-2015 10:27 AM)goofus Wrote:  

(10-05-2015 09:59 AM)CardinalJim Wrote:  "ACC started this whole thing in 2004 anyway"

Actually The Big Ten started it in 1990 when Penn State gave up independence to join. Florida State didn't jump to The ACC (over The SEC) until 1991.

So if anyone started the conference expansion process it was The Big Ten.
CJ

This game can go on back to beginning of time.

No, it really started when the ACC added GT.

I think it actually started when the B1G grabbed a bunch of indy schools in 1896. You're on the clock.

(10-05-2015 07:34 PM)TexanMark Wrote:  I wanna play the old BE in Hoops and the ACC in everything else.

I'd see 2 scenarios:

Notre Dame goes all in and brings in either Cincy or UConn as full members. It stops there

Notre Dame stays psuedo-Indy in FB. ACC expands with UConn with a ND like deal and adds (2 of) Nova, SJU or GTown.

Mark,
Your scenario #1 IMO is actually the most likely to occur (with Cincinnati).
Your scenario #2....not much chance of ever coming to fruition.
From everything that I understand, UConn will most likely not ever become a member of the ACC.

(10-05-2015 08:31 PM)XLance Wrote:  

(10-05-2015 07:34 PM)TexanMark Wrote:  I wanna play the old BE in Hoops and the ACC in everything else.

I'd see 2 scenarios:

Notre Dame goes all in and brings in either Cincy or UConn as full members. It stops there

Notre Dame stays psuedo-Indy in FB. ACC expands with UConn with a ND like deal and adds (2 of) Nova, SJU or GTown.

Mark,
Your scenario #1 IMO is actually the most likely to occur (with Cincinnati).
Your scenario #2....not much chance of ever coming to fruition.
From everything that I understand, UConn will most likely not ever become a member of the ACC.

That would work...but the NY Metro area is a battleground and whomever gets UConn has the leg up in the downstate NY

(10-05-2015 07:56 PM)nzmorange Wrote:  

(10-05-2015 10:27 AM)goofus Wrote:  

(10-05-2015 09:59 AM)CardinalJim Wrote:  "ACC started this whole thing in 2004 anyway"

Actually The Big Ten started it in 1990 when Penn State gave up independence to join. Florida State didn't jump to The ACC (over The SEC) until 1991.

So if anyone started the conference expansion process it was The Big Ten.
CJ

This game can go on back to beginning of time.

No, it really started when the ACC added GT.

I think it actually started when the B1G grabbed a bunch of indy schools in 1896. You're on the clock.

I was going to say it really started when Chicago dropped football in 1939, but you went back to the 1800's.

Let's face it: Realignment is all Lake Forest's fault

(10-05-2015 10:27 AM)goofus Wrote:  

(10-05-2015 09:59 AM)CardinalJim Wrote:  "ACC started this whole thing in 2004 anyway"

Actually The Big Ten started it in 1990 when Penn State gave up independence to join. Florida State didn't jump to The ACC (over The SEC) until 1991.

So if anyone started the conference expansion process it was The Big Ten.
CJ

This game can go on back to beginning of time.

No, it really started when the ACC added GT.

Clearly this mess was caused by Arizona and Arizona State to the Pac-8 in 1978.

I would like this:

Northern Division
Boston College
Connecticut
Syracuse
Pittsburgh
West Virginia
Cincinnati
Louisville
West Virginia
Miami

Southern Division
Virginia Tech
Virginia
North Carolina
North Carolina State
Duke
Wake Forest
Clemson
Georgia Tech
Florida State