(10-04-2015 03:43 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  There is legal precedent from when parents tried to blame rock music for suicides. Judges ruled that they weren't liable because the people we predisposed to suicide.

Likewise, anyone who kills because of something they saw on the news are predisposed to do it.

Great, so we can throw out the idea that a gun ban will reduce suicides, right?

These shooters should be referred to as "it"

(10-05-2015 01:28 PM)Hitch Wrote:  These shooters should be referred to as "it"

Add a "sh" prior and I'd agree.

(10-04-2015 01:57 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(10-04-2015 01:21 PM)Crebman Wrote:  

(10-04-2015 01:14 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(10-04-2015 12:02 PM)ODUsmitty Wrote:  Never said that. People pull triggers, swing knifes, drive drunk, and go to their neighborhood fetal tissue collection factory known as Planned Parenthood. Mentally-ill people seem to be at particular risk with whatever tools are at their disposal. My point was about how media can be used to incite acts by a population that would otherwise consider such behavior taboo. But you already knew that, didn't you.

Oh, and either add something to this conversation or find another thread in which you can. I am not going to allow you to troll away here unchecked.

I don't buy the notion that guns don't kill people but somehow the media can "incite" acts.

Again Fit, what is you solution?

Guns are an inanimate object/tool. They do nothing good or bad until used by a human.

To suggest the media doesn't inject their biases into the conversation is ignoring what is going on. Wait until they take a position you don't agree with and then try and distort the truth.

Of course media has bias that doesn't mean that they can invite people to do anything.

You mean like riot, burn and murder innocent people over say, a video no one watched?

(10-05-2015 01:28 PM)Hitch Wrote:  These shooters should be referred to as "it"

"It" is already taken.

My main question is what will be done? We can scream mental health all we want but then people cut Medicade and other programs that help fund it. I'm sick and tired of hearing the majority scream it's a mental health issue and then do exactly nothing to improve the care for mental health in this country. Politicians on both sides love to talked about it as a sound bite but tuck their tails once they are back at work.

Mental health is a multi-edged sword. People who need it often don't know they do, or don't accept that they do... and some that do, get ostracized or otherwise kept from jobs etc as a result... so they don't make it public... and HIPPA prevents release of it.

It's not as if there is an objective test that we can run and determine that someone's dopamine receptors are operating at 72% efficiency and they are thus 'ill'.

(10-05-2015 06:05 PM)Hambone10 Wrote:  Mental health is a multi-edged sword. People who need it often don't know they do, or don't accept that they do... and some that do, get ostracized or otherwise kept from jobs etc as a result... so they don't make it public... and HIPPA prevents release of it.

It's not as if there is an objective test that we can run and determine that someone's dopamine receptors are operating at 72% efficiency and they are thus 'ill'.

Oh I agree but more could be done and it gets old hearing political sound bites and no action.

At least democrats tried gun control even if it was flawed and failed.

Profile the mental cases in school from K-12. At least we'll have a heads up on what's coming down the pike into society. This POS father knew that he had mental issues I would wager. But he wants to blame the system.

(10-05-2015 06:05 PM)Hambone10 Wrote:  Mental health is a multi-edged sword. People who need it often don't know they do, or don't accept that they do... and some that do, get ostracized or otherwise kept from jobs etc as a result... so they don't make it public... and HIPPA prevents release of it.

It's not as if there is an objective test that we can run and determine that someone's dopamine receptors are operating at 72% efficiency and they are thus 'ill'.

Mental health has a terrible stigma attached to it. Often the people are too ill to recognize they're ill.

(10-05-2015 06:08 PM)slycat Wrote:  

(10-05-2015 06:05 PM)Hambone10 Wrote:  Mental health is a multi-edged sword. People who need it often don't know they do, or don't accept that they do... and some that do, get ostracized or otherwise kept from jobs etc as a result... so they don't make it public... and HIPPA prevents release of it.

It's not as if there is an objective test that we can run and determine that someone's dopamine receptors are operating at 72% efficiency and they are thus 'ill'.

Oh I agree but more could be done and it gets old hearing political sound bites and no action.

At least democrats tried gun control even if it was flawed and failed.

Sorry, but to me that's like saying... at least Democrats tried feeding mayonnaise to the Tuna in an effort to stop mass murderers. Gun control does absolutely nothing to stop people with mental issues, and isn't in any way designed to. It can't. Mental defect is a medical, not a legislative designation.

I'd point out that Democrats had the votes to pass the most all-encompassing health care finance boondoggle in the history of the earth, and they still did virtually nothing to address mental health beyond what was already being done. They claim to have expanded it because they expanded the number of insured.... but they didn't generally increase the scope of the coverage, other than for rehab.

It's quite disturbing that CNN felt the need to doctor that picture.

(10-05-2015 11:34 PM)Hambone10 Wrote:  

(10-05-2015 06:08 PM)slycat Wrote:  

(10-05-2015 06:05 PM)Hambone10 Wrote:  Mental health is a multi-edged sword. People who need it often don't know they do, or don't accept that they do... and some that do, get ostracized or otherwise kept from jobs etc as a result... so they don't make it public... and HIPPA prevents release of it.

It's not as if there is an objective test that we can run and determine that someone's dopamine receptors are operating at 72% efficiency and they are thus 'ill'.

Oh I agree but more could be done and it gets old hearing political sound bites and no action.

At least democrats tried gun control even if it was flawed and failed.

Sorry, but to me that's like saying... at least Democrats tried feeding mayonnaise to the Tuna in an effort to stop mass murderers. Gun control does absolutely nothing to stop people with mental issues, and isn't in any way designed to. It can't. Mental defect is a medical, not a legislative designation.

I'd point out that Democrats had the votes to pass the most all-encompassing health care finance boondoggle in the history of the earth, and they still did virtually nothing to address mental health beyond what was already being done. They claim to have expanded it because they expanded the number of insured.... but they didn't generally increase the scope of the coverage, other than for rehab.

If they would make available the to physicians the many tests that are available for research, it would be helpful. Back to the original point, there are in fact tests for dopamine, serotonin, GABA, and other amino acids. Physicians do not have access to them. Instead, they are forced to play whack a mole with drugs, which is often worse than doing nothing at all. I talked to my doc when I was going through minor depression and he offered to put me on prozac and he explained it all to me that really he had no idea and had no access to the tools to find out. Screw that. It isn't often even brain chemistry or amino acids. Hormonal changes and adrenal gland issues cause mental changes as well.

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Birth control is easier than mental health.

All I want is for gun control advocates to tell the truth; The repeal of the 2nd Amendment and the willingness to undermine the 4th and the 5th Amendments to accomplish said goal.