(10-03-2015 02:51 PM)GoodOwl Wrote:  Wow, Texas loses 50-7 to #4 TCU.

We lost 17-70 to #5 Baylor.

We are about the same as Texas this year, yet lost to them 28-42.

That was not a very good Texas team we lost to this season. Now 1-4 with Rice their only victory.

Why do people keep saying this?
You think WKU would've dominated Texas as thoroughly?

(10-03-2015 08:33 PM)Gravy Owl Wrote:  I just watched #3 Ole Miss, down 25-0 more than halfway through the 3rd quarter, kick a FG.

That's not as crazy as it seems. You can't make up 25 points in 3 possessions. You can make up 22 points in 3 possessions. Of course, if you're going to do that, you can't let Florida score.

#7 UCLA ran over Arizona last week.

Arizona State has already been slammed by both aTm and USC.

So of course, ASU is up 29-10 in the 3rd quarter at the Rose Bowl.

(10-03-2015 09:05 PM)Wiessman Wrote:  #7 UCLA ran over Arizona last week.

Arizona State has already been slammed by both aTm and USC.

So of course, ASU is up 29-10 in the 3rd quarter at the Rose Bowl.

Toad's beating a Top 10 ranked team? After his poor start to the season?

(10-03-2015 01:33 PM)MemOwl Wrote:  

(10-03-2015 01:14 PM)Frizzy Owl Wrote:  Stirring the pot, maybe, but if Strong is good, then why isn't he even competitive against opposition that doesn't roll over for the name UT? He's not lacking the talent on his roster.

I think there is a lot to criticize in Strong's tenure at Texas so far. But they could go the rest of the season without making a first down and his body of work would remain far superior to our incumbent.

My only point--and we are deep into hypotheticals--is that if UT fires him, Rice could be right place/right time/right price fit for him to try to rehabilitate his career.

He spent four years at Notre Dame so, like Hat and Fred from the AFA, he knows what it's like to evaluate transcripts and test scores as well as game film when recruiting.

Am I missing something?
Strong is making 5 mil at UT. Let's say he takes a 60% pay cut to come to Rice. And can unbelievably poach some of his staff to come to Rice at 60% pay cuts. Then we fire Bailiff and buy his contract. That's a bill in the neighborhood of 5+ million dollars.
Dr K has set some goals for the football team, but I just don't see him and Leebron spending that kind of dough. Even if we had it. And we don't.
Not by a long shot.
And what makes you think that Strong would come to Rice? Our facilities? Our half finished EZF? Our strong academics and great graduation rate? Our potential to win a CUSA championship?
C'mon guys! Sometimes I think we live in an alternative universe on this board.

(10-03-2015 09:14 PM)greyowl72 Wrote:  C'mon guys! Sometimes I think we live in an alternative universe on this board.

I agree we do--the alternative universe where you-know-who is a great coach.

(10-03-2015 09:28 PM)GoodOwl Wrote:  

(10-03-2015 09:14 PM)greyowl72 Wrote:  C'mon guys! Sometimes I think we live in an alternative universe on this board.

I agree we do--the alternative universe where you-know-who is a great coach.

I don't count myself as living in the universe of Bailiff being a great coach.
Nor do I live in the universe where Rice is going to spend over 5 million dollars to replace him with Charlie Strong.

(10-03-2015 08:44 PM)ChicagoOwl (BS 07) Wrote:  

(10-03-2015 02:51 PM)GoodOwl Wrote:  Wow, Texas loses 50-7 to #4 TCU.

We lost 17-70 to #5 Baylor.

We are about the same as Texas this year, yet lost to them 28-42.

That was not a very good Texas team we lost to this season. Now 1-4 with Rice their only victory.

Why do people keep saying this?
You think WKU would've dominated Texas as thoroughly?

Had UT played the way they did against us - WKU would have kicked their ass.

They were atrocious against us. The problem is it was 2 on 1 - Rice and UT teamed up to beat Rice.

Baylor offense keeps on rolling, and takes down Tech 63-35. I'm going to be interested to see what Baylor's average per game score is by the end of the year.

(10-03-2015 09:33 PM)greyowl72 Wrote:  

(10-03-2015 09:28 PM)GoodOwl Wrote:  

(10-03-2015 09:14 PM)greyowl72 Wrote:  C'mon guys! Sometimes I think we live in an alternative universe on this board.

I agree we do--the alternative universe where you-know-who is a great coach.

I don't count myself as living in the universe of Bailiff being a great coach.
Nor do I live in the universe where Rice is going to spend over 5 million dollars to replace him with Charlie Strong.

You are likely correct on both points. But how much does WKU's coaching staff make? Anybody? How about LaTech's coaches? Marshall's? MTSU's? Since we're all about comparing ourselves to our new "peers" and no longer the big boys we used to play with, since those games don't really matter, is it completely impossible to get better coaches at the level we're at now?

Any up-and-coming Texas (we're in Texas boys, where they play football like it's a religion from Pop-Warner through high school and up) high school coaches that are deserving of a shot and wouldn't mind taking the huge salary increase that a Rice job would be for them?

(10-04-2015 01:16 AM)GoodOwl Wrote:  But how much does WKU's coaching staff make? Anybody? How about LaTech's coaches? Marshall's? MTSU's?

Here's a link to Div 1 FBS football head coaches salaries (2014): http://sports.usatoday.com/ncaa/salaries/

Here's a link to Div 1 FBS football assistant coaches' salaries (2014), although many private schools' data, including Rice's, are not included: http://sports.usatoday.com/ncaa/salaries.../assistant

(10-04-2015 01:27 AM)Almadenmike Wrote:  

(10-04-2015 01:16 AM)GoodOwl Wrote:  But how much does WKU's coaching staff make? Anybody? How about LaTech's coaches? Marshall's? MTSU's?

Here's a link to Div 1 FBS football head coaches salaries (2014): http://sports.usatoday.com/ncaa/salaries/

Here's a link to Div 1 FBS football assistant coaches' salaries (2014), although many private schools' data, including Rice's, are not included: http://sports.usatoday.com/ncaa/salaries.../assistant

Thanks, Almadenmike.


These are from 2014, but they'll give a rough idea of the return we're getting vs other teams in CUSA and some selected teams outside conference.

here's another link, although they list Tulane as CUSA. Not updated yet for today's games. Will be interesting to see if Bailiff moves up (on the hot seat)
he's listed as #76, safe for now at $800,000 per and 2-2.

Mark Richt is listed as #6 very hot seat at $4,000,000per and 4-0. Wow. Maybe he'll be #1 after that home loss to Alabama today. Strong at Texas was right behind him at #7 $5,100,000per at 1-4.

Coaches Hot Seat Rankings

(10-03-2015 09:09 PM)GoodOwl Wrote:  

(10-03-2015 09:05 PM)Wiessman Wrote:  #7 UCLA ran over Arizona last week.

Arizona State has already been slammed by both aTm and USC.

So of course, ASU is up 29-10 in the 3rd quarter at the Rose Bowl.

Toad's beating a Top 10 ranked team? After his poor start to the season?

Toad hung on for the W 38-23. He's such a crappy coach this season that he only beat the #7 team in the country (at the moment).

Another less than spectacular week for C-USA. Temple crushed Charlotte. UMass beat FIU. Vandy beat Middle Tennessee. LaTech over ULaLa for the lone win

C-USA falls in Sagarin and is now behind the AAC, the MWC, the Missouri Valley and the MAC. We are now one place ahead of the Sun Belt.

Meanwhile the AAC notches another P5 win, and is now closer to the P5 than to the next G5 conference per warren Nolan.

(10-04-2015 10:08 AM)At Ease Wrote:  Meanwhile the AAC notches another P5 win, and is now closer to the P5 than to the next G5 conference per warren Nolan.

Interesting. Their Sagarin ranking is closer to the P5 than anyone as well. Actually the gap between the AAC and the median P5 is smaller than the gap between C-USA and the AAC.

(10-04-2015 01:50 AM)GoodOwl Wrote:  here's another link, although they list Tulane as CUSA. Not updated yet for today's games. Will be interesting to see if Bailiff moves up (on the hot seat)
he's listed as #76, safe for now at $800,000 per and 2-2.

Mark Richt is listed as #6 very hot seat at $4,000,000per and 4-0. Wow. Maybe he'll be #1 after that home loss to Alabama today. Strong at Texas was right behind him at #7 $5,100,000per at 1-4.

Coaches Hot Seat Rankings

David Bailiff moves up the Hot Seat rankings from #76 all the way up to #61 with the loss to WKU yesterday. Still listed as safe in the green zone. Now 71-71 all time record (.500) and 50-56 at Rice (.472) 2-3 this season. Still listed as $800,000per.

Charlie Strong leapfrogs over Mark Richt to #5, with Richt remaining at #6.

here's Rice's Hot Seat football schedule for 2015:
(remember here lower is better, higher is worse)

WWagner--FCS--not listed
L#5 Charlie Strong-Texas $5.1 Million 43-27 (.614) 7-11 at Texas (.389) 1-4 HOT
W#26 Dan McCarney- NoTX $750,000 78-116 (.402) 22-31 (.415) at NoTX 0-4 HOT
L#119 Art Briles- Baylor $4 Million 93-62 (.600) 59-34 (.634) at Baylor 4-0 SAFE
L#107 Jeff Brohm- WKU $625,000 12-6 (.667) 12-6 (.667) at WKU 4-1 SAFE
#32 Charlie Partridge- FAU $600,000 4-12 (.250) 4-12 (.250) at FAU 1-3 EDGE Of HOT
#42 Jeff Monken- Army $900,000 43-28 (.606) 5-12 (.294) at Army 1-4 EDGE OF HOT
#99 Skip Holtz- La Tech $600,000 104-86 (.547) 16-15 (.516) at LaTech 3-2 SAFE
#41 Sean Kugler- UTEP $550,000 11-19 (.367) 11-19 9.367) at UTEP 2-3 EDGE OF HOT
#30 Todd Monken- So Miss $800,000 7-22 (.241) 7-22 (.241) at SoMS 3-2 HOT
#63 Larry Coker- UTSA $425,000 84-42 (.667) 24-27 (.471) at UTSA 1-4 SAFE
#58 Brad Lambert- Charlotte $500,000 12-15 (.444) 12-15 (.444) at Char 2-3 SAFE

I'm a bit surprised that Todd Monken is #30. Southern Miss was a disaster when he got there, and he has shown pretty significant and consistent progress.

(10-04-2015 10:14 AM)Antarius Wrote:  

(10-04-2015 10:08 AM)At Ease Wrote:  Meanwhile the AAC notches another P5 win, and is now closer to the P5 than to the next G5 conference per warren Nolan.

Interesting. Their Sagarin ranking is closer to the P5 than anyone as well. Actually the gap between the AAC and the median P5 is smaller than the gap between C-USA and the AAC.

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CONFERENCE          CENTRAL MEAN    SIMPLE AVERAGE  TEAMS      WIN50%

   1  SEC-WEST            (A) =  84.09      84.33  (  1)      7      84.21  (  1)
   2  BIG 12              (A) =  80.52      79.13  (  3)     10      80.02  (  2)
   3  PAC-12(SOUTH)       (A) =  80.13      79.85  (  2)      6      80.02  (  3)
   4  ACC-COASTAL         (A) =  77.51      76.72  (  6)      7      76.96  (  5)
   5  SEC-EAST            (A) =  77.21      77.45  (  4)      7      77.39  (  4)
   6  ACC-ATLANTIC        (A) =  76.91      76.76  (  5)      7      76.80  (  6)
   7  PAC-12(NORTH)       (A) =  76.90      76.71  (  7)      6      76.73  (  7)
   8  BIG TEN-WEST        (A) =  76.76      76.07  (  8)      7      76.32  (  8)
   9  I-A INDEPENDENTS    (A) =  75.04      74.08  ( 10)      3      74.89  (  9)
  10  BIG TEN-EAST        (A) =  74.59      74.91  (  9)      7      74.76  ( 10)
  11  AAC WEST            (A) =  68.23      67.83  ( 11)      6      67.96  ( 11)
  12  AAC EAST            (A) =  65.72      65.81  ( 12)      6      65.79  ( 12)
  13  MWC-MOUNTAIN        (A) =  64.46      64.39  ( 13)      6      64.38  ( 13)
  14  MAC-WEST            (A) =  62.80      63.04  ( 14)      6      62.94  ( 14)
  15  MWC-WEST            (A) =  60.32      60.13  ( 15)      6      60.15  ( 15)
  16  MISSOURI VALLEY     (AA)=  59.84      58.84  ( 17)     10      59.51  ( 16)
  17  MAC-EAST            (A) =  59.12      58.95  ( 16)      7      58.99  ( 17)
  18  CONFERENCE USA-EAST (A) =  58.38      58.40  ( 18)      7      58.40  ( 18)
  19  CONFERENCE USA-WEST (A) =  56.19      56.82  ( 19)      6      56.45  ( 19)
  20  SUN BELT            (A) =  55.00      55.36  ( 20)     11      55.19  ( 20)

Dear Joe: You need to find a rich alum to write a check and buy our way into the AAC. AAC is by far our best alternative for the foreseeable future. We need to buy our way into it. I'll say it again.