Talked to my man at Bowling Green (who lost ot Memphis yesterday) today. Said Memphis' defense is not good, not very smart. However, he also said Miami would never get within 3-4 touchdowns of Memphis. Our defense can't have a first half like they had against Miami against Memphis.

Just so people know what the cost of firing Tubs would entail here is his contract:

https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/...ville.html

If UC canned Tubs at the end of the year the buyout is $2.4M. If we can him at the end of next season the buyout is $1M.

Fire Tuberville, hire Chip Kelly!

What a disaster the Philadelphia Eagles are at the moment!

(09-20-2015 04:46 PM)CliftonAve Wrote:  If UC canned Tubs at the end of the year the buyout is $2.4M. If we can him at the end of next season the buyout is $1M.

That's it? He's losing us way more than that with the crappy product he's putting on the field.

Bold prediction. Tubs Bearcats win the turnover battle and beat Memphis by ten. The odds are about to catch up with Memphis. We have a zero turnover game and in turn they actually turn the ball over. They have zero interceptions listed and I cannot find where they have fumbled. Heavens, they have not even missed a kick. It all comes crashing down for them on Thursday.

(09-20-2015 07:31 PM)rosewater Wrote:  Bold prediction. Tubs Bearcats win the turnover battle and beat Memphis by ten. The odds are about to catch up with Memphis. We have a zero turnover game and in turn they actually turn the ball over. They have zero interceptions listed and I cannot find where they have fumbled. Heavens, they have not even missed a kick. It all comes crashing down for them on Thursday.

I'm wrong so much I hate to make predictions. But on this I agree with you. UC beats Memphis.

(09-20-2015 04:46 PM)CliftonAve Wrote:  Just so people know what the cost of firing Tubs would entail here is his contract:

https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/...ville.html

If UC canned Tubs at the end of the year the buyout is $2.4M. If we can him at the end of next season the buyout is $1M.

After what we just spent on Nippert that is proverbial change found in the couch cushions.

If it's not working out and we are not moving the program forward all engines ahead full throttle (if that is even the goal and not just so much window dressing for the faithful, but I digress) I don't care about the financial details. You are either the right guy or you are not. 29 games in, he's not.

There seems to be a big gap between the old timers and the younger alums. Seems like the older guys are much more satisfied with what us younger guys would call mediocrity. "We're just lucky to even have a football program". Well, I graduated with my undergrad in '08 and have been a season ticket holder since '07. I realize that the BK years have shaped my expectations. I expect us to get back there. I will NOT accept that those were just special years and we'll never be there again.

I expect:

To win at least 10 games each year in this conference
To win the conference
To play a good game against a quality opponent in a quality bowl game
To finish the season in the top 25

(09-20-2015 08:54 PM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  

(09-20-2015 04:46 PM)CliftonAve Wrote:  Just so people know what the cost of firing Tubs would entail here is his contract:

https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/...ville.html

If UC canned Tubs at the end of the year the buyout is $2.4M. If we can him at the end of next season the buyout is $1M.

After what we just spent on Nippert that is proverbial change found in the couch cushions.

If it's not working out and we are not moving the program forward all engines ahead full throttle (if that is even the goal and not just so much window dressing for the faithful, but I digress) I don't care about the financial details. You are either the right guy or you are not. 29 games in, he's not.

Record of 20-9.... better recruiting than his predecessors....just barely playing with some of his own recruits...he's definitely not the right guy...

(09-21-2015 09:17 AM)uchoops Wrote:  

(09-20-2015 08:54 PM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  

(09-20-2015 04:46 PM)CliftonAve Wrote:  Just so people know what the cost of firing Tubs would entail here is his contract:

https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/...ville.html

If UC canned Tubs at the end of the year the buyout is $2.4M. If we can him at the end of next season the buyout is $1M.

After what we just spent on Nippert that is proverbial change found in the couch cushions.

If it's not working out and we are not moving the program forward all engines ahead full throttle (if that is even the goal and not just so much window dressing for the faithful, but I digress) I don't care about the financial details. You are either the right guy or you are not. 29 games in, he's not.

Record of 20-9.... better recruiting than his predecessors....just barely playing with some of his own recruits...he's definitely not the right guy...

Remains to be seen

I've seen plenty that has caused me concern with Tuberville, I've seen other things that have caused me to be encouraged. I just don't think it's really possible to have a fully formed opinion yet. He hasn't done enough in this conference to say "yea this is going to work and UC will be the premier program in the AAC while he is here." Nor has the program regressed enough to say he can't get it done, particularly with the strong offense we continue to see (leading the nation in first downs per game...they move the ball), solid recruiting and the fact that the defensive line is utterly devoid of quality upper class players and totally dependent on his freshman and sophomore recruits.

(09-21-2015 09:17 AM)uchoops Wrote:  Record of 20-9.... better recruiting than his predecessors....just barely playing with some of his own recruits...he's definitely not the right guy...

Ok, I think one of the key coaching metrics is how the team punches.

The great coaches have their players punching above their weight. You see a Boise knocking off powerhouse teams.

A quality coach will have their team prepared and punching at their weight.

A crappy coach will have all the talent available, yet craps the bed against less talented teams.

I think it is safe to say that Tuberville is not and will likely never have this team punching above their weight class. Also from what I've seen, he doesn't have this team realizing even a fraction of their potential. I don't think he fits the middle category either. I think he's between the bottom and middle categories.

I really appreciate the recruiting. Seriously, I give him and his staff a lot of credit for that. I think he has done an excellent job, but year 3 should be when his recruits are taking over and we should see some payoff on the field.

This guy just doesn't have any emotional investment in this school. There no sense of pride. No swagger. He's like the guys I work with that have a year or less until they retire. They're just coasting.

I think the biggest issue I have so far is the assistant coaches he has hired, especially on defense and special teams.

If the Kelly years are your benchmark every coach is going to be a letdown. Nobody is going to go 34-6 at UC, nobody is going 34-6 anyway except a few handful of programs.

Having at least one breakthrough season is not an unreasonable goal; however, that type of season is probably going to be mixed in with 7 to 9 win years as long as UC is in the American. If UC was in power five, I would put the average win total at 4 to 8 wins a year with breakout years of 9 and 10 wins every four years or so.

So far this coaching staff has proven one thing, they are average. Not awful kill the program type seasons of 4 wins or less but nothing special either.

The American and most of the G5 is better than anybody on this board wants to give credit too. Those that expect UC to dominate don't understand that talent across the field from UC is roughly equal each week.

(09-21-2015 09:13 AM)AeroCat Wrote:  There seems to be a big gap between the old timers and the younger alums. Seems like the older guys are much more satisfied with what us younger guys would call mediocrity. "We're just lucky to even have a football program". Well, I graduated with my undergrad in '08 and have been a season ticket holder since '07. I realize that the BK years have shaped my expectations. I expect us to get back there. I will NOT accept that those were just special years and we'll never be there again.

I expect:

To win at least 10 games each year in this conference
To win the conference
To play a good game against a quality opponent in a quality bowl game
To finish the season in the top 25

I am one of the "old guys" and I am sure as hell not happy. Why?

1. Failure to beat the hell out of Redskiners 3 years in a row.
2. Failure to win a bowl game.
3. Failure to show fire and passion.

Here is my take. After 5 years there are no excuses. The team will be all his players and likely still playing in the AAC. Unless we win 10 and a bowl it will be time for TT to become a fundraiser and young hungry coach take his place. Or perhaps Tressel gets tired of being a college Pres.

(09-21-2015 09:30 AM)bearcatlawjd2 Wrote:  If the Kelly years are your benchmark every coach is going to be a letdown. Nobody is going to go 34-6 at UC, nobody is going 34-6 anyway except a few handful of programs.

Yeah, I realize that the Kelly years can make my expectations unreasonable. Sure was a special time.

So far this coaching staff has proven one thing, they are average. Not awful kill the program type seasons of 4 wins or less but nothing special either.

That's just it. If we were comfortable with our conference situation, then perhaps having an average coaching staff would be tolerable. I just don't want to miss our chance at a better conference because we backslide.

The American and most of the G5 is better than anybody on this board wants to give credit too. Those that expect UC to dominate don't understand that talent across the field from UC is roughly equal each week.

I'm really starting to realize this. I don't know how any bets on college football. Seems like any team can upset one of the big powers at any time.

(09-21-2015 09:42 AM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  Out of the 101 scholarship and walkons players on this roster about 85 were brought in by this staff. It's already his roster.

See, I didn't know that. I was wondering...

(09-21-2015 09:43 AM)AeroCat Wrote:  

(09-21-2015 09:42 AM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  Out of the 101 scholarship and walkons players on this roster about 85 were brought in by this staff. It's already his roster.

See, I didn't know that. I was wondering...

There are a few I am unsure of but it's a really high number. We turned over the roster quickly

(09-21-2015 09:24 AM)bearcatmark Wrote:  I've seen plenty that has caused me concern with Tuberville, I've seen other things that have caused me to be encouraged. I just don't think it's really possible to have a fully formed opinion yet. He hasn't done enough in this conference to say "yea this is going to work and UC will be the premier program in the AAC while he is here." Nor has the program regressed enough to say he can't get it done, particularly with the strong offense we continue to see (leading the nation in first downs per game...they move the ball), solid recruiting and the fact that the defensive line is utterly devoid of quality upper class players and totally dependent on his freshman and sophomore recruits.

This

Also I guess Sean Kilpatrick was at the game and here are his thoughts: https://twitter.com/SeanKilpatrick_/stat...2423504897

Quote:I'm not saying names but there are a lot of disloyal #Bearcat fans! Seen a lot this game from the fans side. Never give up on the #Bearcats

I'm with him