Sorry but Oregon and FSU didn't have championship level defenses.

And even Ohio St. They gave up 22 points per game and 342 yards per game last year. That's not a great defense.

Whether you like it or not, football isn't 3 yards and a cloud of dust like it used to be. Ohio St won because they had a very good balanced offense. Not because of their defense.

(09-12-2015 01:23 PM)stever20 Wrote:  Sorry but Oregon and FSU didn't have championship level defenses.

And even Ohio St. They gave up 22 points per game and 342 yards per game last year. That's not a great defense.

Whether you like it or not, football isn't 3 yards and a cloud of dust like it used to be. Ohio St won because they had a very good balanced offense. Not because of their defense.

You can't have a balanced offense without a good running game, which they had. (QB's can run, too)

Oregon and FSU didn't get to the championship because they didn't have championship defenses. It's very naive to require a defense to hold every team to 10 points or less and 200 yards or less, in order to qualify as a championship defense.

(09-13-2015 09:49 AM)MplsBison Wrote:  

(09-12-2015 01:23 PM)stever20 Wrote:  Sorry but Oregon and FSU didn't have championship level defenses.

And even Ohio St. They gave up 22 points per game and 342 yards per game last year. That's not a great defense.

Whether you like it or not, football isn't 3 yards and a cloud of dust like it used to be. Ohio St won because they had a very good balanced offense. Not because of their defense.

You can't have a balanced offense without a good running game, which they had. (QB's can run, too)

Oregon and FSU didn't get to the championship because they didn't have championship defenses. It's very naive to require a defense to hold every team to 10 points or less and 200 yards or less, in order to qualify as a championship defense.

Exactly. If Team A scores 58 points, Team B is going to have a TON of opportunities to score. Defensive stats today largely do not account for the # of possessions a team gets.

(09-13-2015 09:51 AM)Eichorst Wrote:  

(09-13-2015 09:49 AM)MplsBison Wrote:  

(09-12-2015 01:23 PM)stever20 Wrote:  Sorry but Oregon and FSU didn't have championship level defenses.

And even Ohio St. They gave up 22 points per game and 342 yards per game last year. That's not a great defense.

Whether you like it or not, football isn't 3 yards and a cloud of dust like it used to be. Ohio St won because they had a very good balanced offense. Not because of their defense.

You can't have a balanced offense without a good running game, which they had. (QB's can run, too)

Oregon and FSU didn't get to the championship because they didn't have championship defenses. It's very naive to require a defense to hold every team to 10 points or less and 200 yards or less, in order to qualify as a championship defense.

Exactly. If Team A scores 58 points, Team B is going to have a TON of opportunities to score. Defensive stats today largely do not account for the # of possessions a team gets.

That's a great point.

It would be interesting to see defensive stats, averaged over the number of non-trivial drives by the opposing team's offense.

(and by non-trivial, I mean that a drive where the offense gets the ball and then fumbles it away on the first or second play, doesn't count)


Of course, you can't rank all the defenses over FBS, for the reason I already mentioned. But it would still be a much more interesting stat to analyze.

(09-12-2015 12:59 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  

(09-12-2015 12:40 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(09-12-2015 12:30 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  

(09-10-2015 06:12 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(09-10-2015 06:09 PM)Nebraskafan Wrote:  Yes, you need studly QB play if you do not have a roster like Bama has if you want to win the title.

MI has had awful QB play for many years now, but now they are actually recruiting real QBs again and it will show in a couple of years.

That Peters guy committed to MI is a big time stud.

You need good QB play if you want to win the title. Period.

You need a good defense and a great running game.

um, no. That helps, but you have to have good QB play to succeed in 2015. Look last year playoffs. Oregon, Ohio St, FSU, Alabama. All had good QB play.
Also-
Oregon #87 defense last year
FSU #61 defense last year, #95 running game
Ohio St #19 defense
Alabama #12 defense

so you had 2 teams not even close to the top 50 defense, and 1 team in the bottom quarter in running.

Please. You know that you can't rank all FBS teams across divisions when they don't play each other. Those numbers are meaningless.

You don't get to the championship without a championship defense. Fact.

Auburn and Oregon in 2010 were both pretty soft.

(09-13-2015 09:51 AM)Eichorst Wrote:  

(09-13-2015 09:49 AM)MplsBison Wrote:  

(09-12-2015 01:23 PM)stever20 Wrote:  Sorry but Oregon and FSU didn't have championship level defenses.

And even Ohio St. They gave up 22 points per game and 342 yards per game last year. That's not a great defense.

Whether you like it or not, football isn't 3 yards and a cloud of dust like it used to be. Ohio St won because they had a very good balanced offense. Not because of their defense.

You can't have a balanced offense without a good running game, which they had. (QB's can run, too)

Oregon and FSU didn't get to the championship because they didn't have championship defenses. It's very naive to require a defense to hold every team to 10 points or less and 200 yards or less, in order to qualify as a championship defense.

Exactly. If Team A scores 58 points, Team B is going to have a TON of opportunities to score. Defensive stats today largely do not account for the # of possessions a team gets.

There are stats out there that consider those things. There are some defensive efficiency stats and there's yards per play as well.