(09-10-2015 12:40 PM)stever20 Wrote:  well considering in the last 15 years, Big Ten would have made the playoff only 7 of the 15 years- I would say that's a bit of a down period.

So what is your criteria here? Are you are saying that the Big Ten ought to be among the top two conferences in college football and when it isn't, that qualifies as a "down year"?

I actually agree with the original OP that is is an interesting note about the Big Ten that over the past fifteen year, it has had more starting NFL QB's and more NFL QB's on the roster than 1st round QB draft picks.

Interpreting what that means is a fuzzier thing. It could, for instance, say something about the strength of Big Ten D-lines.

None of this matters. There is every reason to believe that at least two Big 10 QBs are taken in the draft in 2016.

(09-10-2015 05:46 PM)Zombiewoof Wrote:  None of this matters. There is every reason to believe that at least two Big 10 QBs are taken in the draft in 2016.

This mock has B1G QB's going 1 and 2, with another B1G player at 3

(09-10-2015 05:35 PM)BruceMcF Wrote:  

(09-10-2015 12:40 PM)stever20 Wrote:  well considering in the last 15 years, Big Ten would have made the playoff only 7 of the 15 years- I would say that's a bit of a down period.

So what is your criteria here? Are you are saying that the Big Ten ought to be among the top two conferences in college football and when it isn't, that qualifies as a "down year"?

I actually agree with the original OP that is is an interesting note about the Big Ten that over the past fifteen year, it has had more starting NFL QB's and more NFL QB's on the roster than 1st round QB draft picks.

Interpreting what that means is a fuzzier thing. It could, for instance, say something about the strength of Big Ten D-lines.

8 of the last 15 years they would have missed the 4 team playoff. If that's not a down period for the league, I don't know what is.

(09-10-2015 03:22 PM)stever20 Wrote:  what you are saying though is exactly what the factoid was pointing out- that the Big Ten QB play hasn't been good lately. When you have 1 good QB (with an asterisk) in the last 15 years- it's pretty telling. It's no coincidence when Ohio St got great QB play is when they were able to win the title.

Yes, you need studly QB play if you do not have a roster like Bama has if you want to win the title.

MI has had awful QB play for many years now, but now they are actually recruiting real QBs again and it will show in a couple of years.

That Peters guy committed to MI is a big time stud.

(09-10-2015 06:09 PM)Nebraskafan Wrote:  

(09-10-2015 03:22 PM)stever20 Wrote:  what you are saying though is exactly what the factoid was pointing out- that the Big Ten QB play hasn't been good lately. When you have 1 good QB (with an asterisk) in the last 15 years- it's pretty telling. It's no coincidence when Ohio St got great QB play is when they were able to win the title.

Yes, you need studly QB play if you do not have a roster like Bama has if you want to win the title.

MI has had awful QB play for many years now, but now they are actually recruiting real QBs again and it will show in a couple of years.

That Peters guy committed to MI is a big time stud.

You need good QB play if you want to win the title. Period.

(09-10-2015 06:12 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(09-10-2015 06:09 PM)Nebraskafan Wrote:  

(09-10-2015 03:22 PM)stever20 Wrote:  what you are saying though is exactly what the factoid was pointing out- that the Big Ten QB play hasn't been good lately. When you have 1 good QB (with an asterisk) in the last 15 years- it's pretty telling. It's no coincidence when Ohio St got great QB play is when they were able to win the title.

Yes, you need studly QB play if you do not have a roster like Bama has if you want to win the title.

MI has had awful QB play for many years now, but now they are actually recruiting real QBs again and it will show in a couple of years.

That Peters guy committed to MI is a big time stud.

You need good QB play if you want to win the title. Period.

Si Amigo, Good, not a future NFL Star.

look at the last few years..
2014- Cardale Jones was incredible in playoffs, and JT Barrett was very good regular season
2013- Winston won Heisman
2012- AJ McCarron was the #1 QB by efficiency in the nation
2011- McCarron 1st year. the exception
2010- Cam Newton

It's become the exception now for a team without a star QB to win it all.

(09-10-2015 06:24 PM)stever20 Wrote:  look at the last few years..
2014- Cardale Jones was incredible in playoffs, and JT Barrett was very good regular season
2013- Winston won Heisman
2012- AJ McCarron was the #1 QB by efficiency in the nation
2011- McCarron 1st year. the exception
2010- Cam Newton

It's become the exception now for a team without a star QB to win it all.

Jones was 3rd string.
AJ rides the bench behind Dalton.
Winston is a rookie
Newton is a freak, and a good NFL QB.

Put any of them on ETEP, IU, Kentucky they aint going to the title game.
FSU, Alabama, Auburn, OSU is the key, power programs.

OSU won a title with Craig Krenzel at QB, lol

Ahh what would this forum be without the usual anti Big Ten propaganda from the usual suspects. Sorry guys, you are never going to see The Big Ten not be a major moving force in college athletics. You can stop racing through boxes of tissues whenever you are ready to get over it.

(09-10-2015 06:30 PM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  

(09-10-2015 06:24 PM)stever20 Wrote:  look at the last few years..
2014- Cardale Jones was incredible in playoffs, and JT Barrett was very good regular season
2013- Winston won Heisman
2012- AJ McCarron was the #1 QB by efficiency in the nation
2011- McCarron 1st year. the exception
2010- Cam Newton

It's become the exception now for a team without a star QB to win it all.

Jones was 3rd string.
AJ rides the bench behind Dalton.
Winston is a rookie
Newton is a freak, and a good NFL QB.

Put any of them on ETEP, IU, Kentucky they aint going to the title game.
FSU, Alabama, Auburn, OSU is the key, power programs.

OSU won a title with Craig Krenzel at QB, lol

you can't win a title in 2015 with a Krenzel type any more. The game has changed.

(09-10-2015 06:38 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(09-10-2015 06:30 PM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  

(09-10-2015 06:24 PM)stever20 Wrote:  look at the last few years..
2014- Cardale Jones was incredible in playoffs, and JT Barrett was very good regular season
2013- Winston won Heisman
2012- AJ McCarron was the #1 QB by efficiency in the nation
2011- McCarron 1st year. the exception
2010- Cam Newton

It's become the exception now for a team without a star QB to win it all.

Jones was 3rd string.
AJ rides the bench behind Dalton.
Winston is a rookie
Newton is a freak, and a good NFL QB.

Put any of them on ETEP, IU, Kentucky they aint going to the title game.
FSU, Alabama, Auburn, OSU is the key, power programs.

OSU won a title with Craig Krenzel at QB, lol

you can't win a title in 2015 with a Krenzel type any more. The game has changed.

Bama says hi. You are trying too hard. Florida State says hi. Again, you are trying too hard. Ohio State says hi. Again, you are trying to hard. Cardale Jones is a big man, but he is no Michael Vick in athletic ability and he isn't a great passer either.

(09-10-2015 06:12 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(09-10-2015 06:09 PM)Nebraskafan Wrote:  

(09-10-2015 03:22 PM)stever20 Wrote:  what you are saying though is exactly what the factoid was pointing out- that the Big Ten QB play hasn't been good lately. When you have 1 good QB (with an asterisk) in the last 15 years- it's pretty telling. It's no coincidence when Ohio St got great QB play is when they were able to win the title.

Yes, you need studly QB play if you do not have a roster like Bama has if you want to win the title.

MI has had awful QB play for many years now, but now they are actually recruiting real QBs again and it will show in a couple of years.

That Peters guy committed to MI is a big time stud.

You need good QB play if you want to win the title. Period.

Teams that win national titles tend to have good QB's. You new to the sport of football?

USCw had studs at QB but only one of them made it big in the NFL. Nebraska had atheltic studs leading them to national titles and one of them is regarded as one of the best college football QB's ever but none of them made it in the NFl as a QB since it wasn't the skill set desired by the head coach to win the college games. Miami had stud QB's throughout the 80's and 90's when they were winning tittles. The same thing with Florida State.

um sorry...
Bama AJ McCarron especially in 2nd year was a top QB. Winston WON the Heisman. Cardale Jones is going to be a 1st round NFL QB.

Sorry but you aren't going to see a Ohio St 2002 type champion probably ever again. The game is too offensive now.

(09-10-2015 07:31 PM)stever20 Wrote:  um sorry...
Bama AJ McCarron especially in 2nd year was a top QB. Winston WON the Heisman. Cardale Jones is going to be a 1st round NFL QB.

Sorry but you aren't going to see a Ohio St 2002 type champion probably ever again. The game is too offensive now.

You said a team can't win with a Kenzel at QB. You are dead wrong since teams since him have won with similar type of QB's. You must think Winston is an athletic stud because he is black. Winston won the Heisman because the guy is damn smart and has a great arm. McCarron was a statue just like the QB's I mentioned.

Kenzel was a very highly intelligent QB and was 24-3 as a starter and was a great team leader and manager just like McCarron.

AGain, you are trying to hard with your anti B1G bull crap. Just like you hatred for the B1G getting a tv deal with Fox in the coming year.

McCarron was the #1 QB in the ******* NATION in QB efficiency.

Kenzel in 2002 didn't even complete 60% of his passes. his QB Rating was 140.9
McCarron in 2011/12- 11 he completed 66.8, Rate 147.3. 12 he completed 67.2 and rate was 175.3.
Winston in 2013 was 66.9% completion percentage. His QB rating was 184.8

So no, Kenzel not even REMOTELY close to them.

(09-10-2015 07:41 PM)stever20 Wrote:  McCarron was the #1 QB in the ******* NATION in QB efficiency.

Kenzel in 2002 didn't even complete 60% of his passes. his QB Rating was 140.9
McCarron in 2011/12- 11 he completed 66.8, Rate 147.3. 12 he completed 67.2 and rate was 175.3.
Winston in 2013 was 66.9% completion percentage. His QB rating was 184.8

So no, Kenzel not even REMOTELY close to them.

McCcaron spent most of his time dumping off the ball to the stud athletes around him. There is a reason why he isn't a starter in the NFL. is that able to register in the brain?????

People who actually know what they are talking about were saying McCaron wasn't a great QB and would not be a starter in the NFL.

Kenzel was a 5th round draft pick just like McCaron.

But I will let you continue on with your dumb anti B1G bull crap you are spewing. B1G QB's have success in the NFL because they are actually taught how to read a defense. Deal with it!

(09-10-2015 12:40 PM)stever20 Wrote:  well considering in the last 15 years, Big Ten would have made the playoff only 7 of the 15 years- I would say that's a bit of a down period.

Could have, would have. No axe to grind, eh!

You are the one trying to say that Krenzel was equal to Winston. What a ******* joke....

And sorry- but McCarron was light years better in college than Krenzel.

And also- what Big Ten QB's are around outside of Brees, Brady(who were both 15 years ago), or Wilson(who was a Big Ten QB for 1 year). No Big Ten QB's from the last 15 years are like that. So what ******* QB's are you talking about?

btw, just to say it- the last Big Ten QB drafted in the 1st round. Kerry Collins.