(08-31-2015 08:28 AM)StillJonesing Wrote: I'm well aware of that. I'm also aware the ACC is not the level of JUCO he was playing at.
Heck Davis was starting in the ACC championship game against Virginia Tech which most of his actual passing. Most QB's would look bad statistically if VT in the championship game is 35 to 40% of their passing stats and then in a bowl game as well vs an SEC team.
Of course the ACC is a higher level of play than JUCO, but Summers was also playing behind a JUCO offensive line and throwing to JUCO receivers. He might do a lot better in our system with our O-Line and our receivers.
Davis completed 68% of his passes vs VT in 2010 in the Air Raid. Did he get THAT much more accurate in a couple years or did the system help him?
(08-31-2015 07:32 AM)StillJonesing Wrote: 3 year old football high school rankings are pointless at this point and no one really even recruited the guy at QB. He didn't complete 50% of his passes in JUCO and threw an interception at about the same rate as a TD last year. That's with them barely throwing the ball.
96-199 (48%) 14td's and 12ints, 169 yards passing per game.
You need accuracy in this system a lot more than you need to be able to run. Not sure he's the answer knowing how much we throw the ball and needing to know where to go with it. Feels like a similar situation with Dwayne Harris who was a highly rated QB and probably more gifted than Patrick Pinkney. Didn't mean he was the answer.
Very possible he never makes it as a QB. But keep in mind that Dominique Davis only completed 45% of his passes and had 6 TD to 4 INT at Boston College and then flourished in our system. It could be Summers wasn't a fit in the system his JuCo ran. I'm just glad to have another QB on the roster with Benkert out for the year.
I'm well aware of that. I'm also aware the ACC is not the level of JUCO he was playing at.
Heck Davis was starting in the ACC championship game against Virginia Tech which most of his actual passing. Most QB's would look bad statistically if VT in the championship game is 35 to 40% of their passing stats and then in a bowl game as well vs an SEC team.
As Chappy alluded to, DD's accuracy against VT was much better in our system. Also, he didn't look that great against a mediocre 6-6 Vanderbilt team.
I am actually one that believes that Kemp can likely navigate the offense very well. I just think that Summers could quite possibly be successful as well. If I'm not mistaken, DD also was only about 50% completion at the JUCO level. Our system will help Summers improve on his completion percentage. Judging by his stats, it seems like Summers took a lot of chances and went deep quite a bit. He won't be asked to do that here. Also, I just think that our offense could benefit from a very athletic dual threat QB to keep opponents guessing. While I'm not necessarily advocating for him to start and I do have confidence in Kemp, I think Summers should at least be a wrinkle (wildcat, etc.) and I like that the coaching staff is giving him a chance.
(This post was last modified: 08-31-2015 08:53 AM by Indiana Bones.)
'Everybody is moving the ball well....We have another QB, James (Summers) that just came in that's doing a really good job picking up the offense." - Cody Keith
(08-30-2015 11:09 PM)Indiana Bones Wrote: Former 4 star recruit that originally signed with UNC & chose ECU over UGA & KSU as a JUCO. One of the best Dual threat prospects nationally and word on the street is that he looked better than anticipated today in practice. I would be surprised if he gets the nod right off the bat but it seems like he will at least be getting some snaps on Saturday.
ECU fans are amazing. So the heisman back up you had goes down and now you pull a future NFL hall of famer out of nowhere. How do you guys do it!?!? Amazing!!!!!
You're AACBBS' iteration of that guy on every message board who tries to "troll so hard" and thinks he's so hilarious, but in reality you make such stupid comments and generally are looked at as a jacka**.
It's like that Tulsa flag football thing. That's you right? I mean give me a break. Your sh*t is so weak
(This post was last modified: 08-31-2015 11:40 AM by PiratePanther189.)
(08-31-2015 07:44 AM)ECBrad Wrote: Yeah I think some fans are just grasping at anything that might look like salvation. A few months ago everyone was saying great athlete but he won't even get a look at qb, though circumstances have obviously changed this.
Apparently it's just no one wants to see the JUCO QB that threw for 375 yards a game at 65% and that's been here a year learning the system already or the 5th year senior who actually been on the field and could probably recite the playbook backwards. Instead they look to the savior in a guy that just was cleared to practice Thursday and that was unimpressive in JUCO's
If Keith was so good he would've played more and he's been hurt a lot. It's nice to have an athlete at QB. No one knows what Summers can do yet. It doesn't take a scientist to see he is a great athlete. Just get him the ball, whether it's QB, RB, or receiver.
(08-30-2015 11:09 PM)Indiana Bones Wrote: Former 4 star recruit that originally signed with UNC & chose ECU over UGA & KSU as a JUCO. One of the best Dual threat prospects nationally and word on the street is that he looked better than anticipated today in practice. I would be surprised if he gets the nod right off the bat but it seems like he will at least be getting some snaps on Saturday.
ECU fans are amazing. So the heisman back up you had goes down and now you pull a future NFL hall of famer out of nowhere. How do you guys do it!?!? Amazing!!!!!
You're AACBBS' iteration of that guy on every message board who tries to "troll so hard" and thinks he's so hilarious, but in reality you make such stupid comments and generally are looked at as a jacka**.
It's like that Tulsa flag football thing. That's you right? I mean give me a break. Your sh*t is so weak
All except for the fact that the comment is spot on. Are ECU fans over inflating another player on the team? Is the world round?
(08-31-2015 08:16 AM)StillJonesing Wrote: This. If Nichols runs the system anything like Riley I expect whoever we put back there has success. That's what air raid QB's do, even lesser talented ones. It's not like Carden or any of the Texas Tech QB's ever had NFL abilities or anything despite putting up all kind of all time numbers. Some of our fans even want to change the system for whatever reason. If it aint broke don't fix it.
I think the main argument for changing the system would be that a pro-style offense would attract better QB talent. I know Carden and Davis made it TO the NFL, bt guys are more likely to show up if they think they'll be drafted.
(This post was last modified: 08-31-2015 12:15 PM by CoastalJuan.)
FACTS were stated... he was Rivals #8 dual threat QB in the class of 2012.
Opinion was added... "it seems like he will at least be getting some snaps on Saturday."
Getting from "it seems like he will at least be getting some snaps on Saturday" to "HOF material" is on you guys, not Pirate fans.
(This post was last modified: 08-31-2015 12:10 PM by Chappy.)
(08-30-2015 11:09 PM)Indiana Bones Wrote: Former 4 star recruit that originally signed with UNC & chose ECU over UGA & KSU as a JUCO. One of the best Dual threat prospects nationally and word on the street is that he looked better than anticipated today in practice. I would be surprised if he gets the nod right off the bat but it seems like he will at least be getting some snaps on Saturday.
ECU fans are amazing. So the heisman back up you had goes down and now you pull a future NFL hall of famer out of nowhere. How do you guys do it!?!? Amazing!!!!!
You're AACBBS' iteration of that guy on every message board who tries to "troll so hard" and thinks he's so hilarious, but in reality you make such stupid comments and generally are looked at as a jacka**.
It's like that Tulsa flag football thing. That's you right? I mean give me a break. Your sh*t is so weak
All except for the fact that the comment is spot on. Are ECU fans over inflating another player on the team? Is the world round?
Someone described as...
- "originally signed with UNC & chose ECU over UGA & KSU as a JUCO." (fact)
- 4 star and one of the best Dual threat prospects nationally coming out of HS (fact)
- Looking "better than anticipated" today in practice. (fact)
- Probably not going to get the nod right off the bat but it seems like he will at least be getting some snaps on Saturday. (opinion based on fact)
...does not a "future NFL hall of famer" make.
See how this practice of generalizing and putting words in people's mouths doesn't add up? Oh and yeah we really praised Benkert as a "heisman guy"...yeah our whole fanbase repeatedly put question marks all over the guy. Give me a break. Our guys are doing the same thing as you guys were doing last year before Kiel had even taken a snap.
And yeah, making threads about who's going to replace our starting QB who just tore his ACL really has no place in the conference message board, you're all right about that too huh? This was a thread about a player that I guarantee no one outside of our fanbase knew much about, with some great info on him from different sites and a highlight tape. No one has touted him anything...the name of the thread is "Possible surprise QB starter for ECU"
Just get over yourselves, that's all I'm sayin. We'll see ya after turkey day
(This post was last modified: 08-31-2015 12:25 PM by PiratePanther189.)
If Summers is in there to play some Wildcat, I'm fine with it. Highly touted QB, spectacular athlete. I don't see him as our long-term answer or every-down QB, but if he can be used in maybe a Dwayne Harris-type role, I'll be happy.
(08-30-2015 11:09 PM)Indiana Bones Wrote: Former 4 star recruit that originally signed with UNC & chose ECU over UGA & KSU as a JUCO. One of the best Dual threat prospects nationally and word on the street is that he looked better than anticipated today in practice. I would be surprised if he gets the nod right off the bat but it seems like he will at least be getting some snaps on Saturday.
ECU fans are amazing. So the heisman back up you had goes down and now you pull a future NFL hall of famer out of nowhere. How do you guys do it!?!? Amazing!!!!!
You're AACBBS' iteration of that guy on every message board who tries to "troll so hard" and thinks he's so hilarious, but in reality you make such stupid comments and generally are looked at as a jacka**.
It's like that Tulsa flag football thing. That's you right? I mean give me a break. Your sh*t is so weak
All except for the fact that the comment is spot on. Are ECU fans over inflating another player on the team? Is the world round?
Someone described as...
- "originally signed with UNC & chose ECU over UGA & KSU as a JUCO." (fact)
- 4 star and one of the best Dual threat prospects nationally coming out of HS (fact)
- Looking "better than anticipated" today in practice. (fact)
- Probably not going to get the nod right off the bat but it seems like he will at least be getting some snaps on Saturday. (opinion based on fact)
...does not a "future NFL hall of famer" make.
See how this practice of generalizing and putting words in people's mouths doesn't add up? Oh and yeah we really praised Benkert as a "heisman guy"...yeah our whole fanbase repeatedly put question marks all over the guy. Give me a break. Our guys are doing the same thing as you guys were doing last year before Kiel had even taken a snap.
And yeah, making threads about who's going to replace our starting QB who just tore his ACL really has no place in the conference message board, you're all right about that too huh? This was a thread about a player that I guarantee no one outside of our fanbase knew much about, with some great info on him from different sites and a highlight tape. No one has touted him anything...the name of the thread is "Possible surprise QB starter for ECU"
Just get over yourselves, that's all I'm sayin. We'll see ya after turkey day
Who gives a rats about his high school ranking from years ago. 4 star? Please, his JUCO stats are garbage. You have serious problems at QB if this is going to be your starter. Comparing him to Kiel?
(08-31-2015 08:38 AM)Bearcats#1 Wrote: LOL here we go.....
ECU fans are amazing. So the heisman back up you had goes down and now you pull a future NFL hall of famer out of nowhere. How do you guys do it!?!? Amazing!!!!!
You're AACBBS' iteration of that guy on every message board who tries to "troll so hard" and thinks he's so hilarious, but in reality you make such stupid comments and generally are looked at as a jacka**.
It's like that Tulsa flag football thing. That's you right? I mean give me a break. Your sh*t is so weak
All except for the fact that the comment is spot on. Are ECU fans over inflating another player on the team? Is the world round?
Someone described as...
- "originally signed with UNC & chose ECU over UGA & KSU as a JUCO." (fact)
- 4 star and one of the best Dual threat prospects nationally coming out of HS (fact)
- Looking "better than anticipated" today in practice. (fact)
- Probably not going to get the nod right off the bat but it seems like he will at least be getting some snaps on Saturday. (opinion based on fact)
...does not a "future NFL hall of famer" make.
See how this practice of generalizing and putting words in people's mouths doesn't add up? Oh and yeah we really praised Benkert as a "heisman guy"...yeah our whole fanbase repeatedly put question marks all over the guy. Give me a break. Our guys are doing the same thing as you guys were doing last year before Kiel had even taken a snap.
And yeah, making threads about who's going to replace our starting QB who just tore his ACL really has no place in the conference message board, you're all right about that too huh? This was a thread about a player that I guarantee no one outside of our fanbase knew much about, with some great info on him from different sites and a highlight tape. No one has touted him anything...the name of the thread is "Possible surprise QB starter for ECU"
Just get over yourselves, that's all I'm sayin. We'll see ya after turkey day
Who gives a rats about his high school ranking from years ago. 4 star? Please, his JUCO stats are garbage. You have serious problems at QB if this is going to be your starter. Comparing him to Kiel?
Our likely starter (Blake Kemp) had the following JUCO stats...
"Kemp completed 229-of-352 passes for 2,961 yards, 27 touchdowns and 11 interceptions in eight games as a sophomore for Mesa, which finished 8-3. He also ran for 128 yards and three scores."
Not amazing, considering we've been spoiled by having Shane Carden the past 3 years, but he'll likely be a good stop gap for us. He doesn't have to be Gunner Kiel... he just needs to make good decisions, and let our incredible athletes on offense go make plays.
'Everybody is moving the ball well....We have another QB, James (ery) that just came in that's doing a really good job picking up the offense." - Cody Keith
"I'm ready to go." - Blake Kemp
Very nice... I don't talk about it much, but I'm a big fan of the ECU coach. He just seems like a guy you'd want to run through brick walls for. On the whole I love what Im seeing from the teams in this conference. This is good stuff.
If ECU could get rid of Lebo, I'd buy a Pirate shirt tomorrow. You guys have a lot to offer a good young coach with a chip on his shoulder. Your basketball can provide the exact same excitement as your football. Trust me on that. Imagine if you get a coach in that runs an exciting brand, similar to the exciting offense of your fb team. You can really carve out a special niche in the Carolinas.
(08-31-2015 08:38 AM)Bearcats#1 Wrote: LOL here we go.....
ECU fans are amazing. So the heisman back up you had goes down and now you pull a future NFL hall of famer out of nowhere. How do you guys do it!?!? Amazing!!!!!
You're AACBBS' iteration of that guy on every message board who tries to "troll so hard" and thinks he's so hilarious, but in reality you make such stupid comments and generally are looked at as a jacka**.
It's like that Tulsa flag football thing. That's you right? I mean give me a break. Your sh*t is so weak
All except for the fact that the comment is spot on. Are ECU fans over inflating another player on the team? Is the world round?
Someone described as...
- "originally signed with UNC & chose ECU over UGA & KSU as a JUCO." (fact)
- 4 star and one of the best Dual threat prospects nationally coming out of HS (fact)
- Looking "better than anticipated" today in practice. (fact)
- Probably not going to get the nod right off the bat but it seems like he will at least be getting some snaps on Saturday. (opinion based on fact)
...does not a "future NFL hall of famer" make.
See how this practice of generalizing and putting words in people's mouths doesn't add up? Oh and yeah we really praised Benkert as a "heisman guy"...yeah our whole fanbase repeatedly put question marks all over the guy. Give me a break. Our guys are doing the same thing as you guys were doing last year before Kiel had even taken a snap.
And yeah, making threads about who's going to replace our starting QB who just tore his ACL really has no place in the conference message board, you're all right about that too huh? This was a thread about a player that I guarantee no one outside of our fanbase knew much about, with some great info on him from different sites and a highlight tape. No one has touted him anything...the name of the thread is "Possible surprise QB starter for ECU"
Just get over yourselves, that's all I'm sayin. We'll see ya after turkey day
Who gives a rats about his high school ranking from years ago. 4 star? Please, his JUCO stats are garbage. You have serious problems at QB if this is going to be your starter. Comparing him to Kiel?
Geez you've obviously got a pretty low IQ. That whole statement was about Kurt Benkert...I was referencing whoever was talking about how we were apparently touting Benkert as a "heisman candidate" when we hadn't seen him play. Cincy was slobbing all over Kiel to a ridiculous degree before you guys saw him play too. Funny thing is, we weren't even doing that. Our fanbase put question marks all over Benkert. But even if someone did, pot meet kettle..you did it with Kiel. He's a good player, but he's a turnover machine and not exactly the 5-star he was judged as out of HS. It's college football, that's what happens. Read next time
I've got nothing to say about Summers other than that he's a tremendous athlete that had big time offers, and chose to come here primarily as a WR. Who gives a rats ass about his 4-star rating? I can't say for sure, but UGA and KSU obviously took it into account alongside us when they offered him out of JUCO. We'll see what happens, but yeah at this point he's probably in the 3-deep as a QB.
(This post was last modified: 08-31-2015 01:30 PM by PiratePanther189.)
'Everybody is moving the ball well....We have another QB, James (ery) that just came in that's doing a really good job picking up the offense." - Cody Keith
"I'm ready to go." - Blake Kemp
Very nice... I don't talk about it much, but I'm a big fan of the ECU coach. He just seems like a guy you'd want to run through brick walls for. On the whole I love what Im seeing from the teams in this conference. This is good stuff.
If ECU could get rid of Lebo, I'd buy a Pirate shirt tomorrow. You guys have a lot to offer a good young coach with a chip on his shoulder. Your basketball can provide the exact same excitement as your football. Trust me on that. Imagine if you get a coach in that runs an exciting brand, similar to the exciting offense of your fb team. You can really carve out a special niche in the Carolinas.
I wish we could dump Lebo for NCCUs coach, LeVille Moton. I think a guy like that could get it done at ECU.
(This post was last modified: 08-31-2015 01:32 PM by blunderbuss.)
(08-31-2015 01:43 PM)Knights_of_UCF Wrote: 6 wins is ceiling for ecu realistically. Uncertainty at qb and the unfortunate injury leads a lot of offensive question marks.
Hope I'm wrong but this might be too much of an uphill battle for ecu and its coaching staff.
A lot of our fans may disagree with me, but I'm really excited about this team for that very reason. Experienced in the trenches (o and d line), the best defense (on paper experience and talent...we'll see) since Ruff has been here, plenty of weaponry (Jones,Bryce Williams,Brown,Jimmy Williams, Bishop, Hairston, Grayson, Scott, Furlow, etc.). BUT a big question mark at the most important position that we haven't had in 5 years, and the key loss of Lincoln Riley.
It's one of the more all-around talented teams that ECU has had in a long time, very deep. But how will this experienced staff and team respond?
Good narrative. I'm interested to see how they face the adversity.
(08-31-2015 01:43 PM)Knights_of_UCF Wrote: 6 wins is ceiling for ecu realistically. Uncertainty at qb and the unfortunate injury leads a lot of offensive question marks.
Hope I'm wrong but this might be too much of an uphill battle for ecu and its coaching staff.
What offensive question marks are there besides QB? You're dramatizing this way too much. We have a bevy of WR's back, our entire OL, and a stable of RBs.
(08-31-2015 01:43 PM)Knights_of_UCF Wrote: 6 wins is ceiling for ecu realistically. Uncertainty at qb and the unfortunate injury leads a lot of offensive question marks.
Hope I'm wrong but this might be too much of an uphill battle for ecu and its coaching staff.
