(09-21-2015 09:43 AM)Deez Nuts Wrote:  So... we can't agree that the jump to $18.3M is record breaking territory FOR JMU (regardless of other institutions), but we still have a long way to go (which EVERYONE has known since 1908). Fact: many other schools, peers or not, raise more money annually than JMU.

There's no reason to ride the negative train on this one. JMU is improving annual giving. It was one year. Will it continue? Hopefully. If it doesn't continue to improve over a long term period, then go sharpen the pitchforks.

I think Dolley's point is there are many of us that get frustrated when certain apologists try to guilt and guile us into tolerating JMU's new world order of underachievement. Yes the admin does wonderful things, but have any of them even come close to continuing the work and accomplishments of Dr. Carrier? THAT should be the standard we hold our leadership accountable to, not this Mickey Mouse bullsh!t.

(09-21-2015 09:56 AM)2Buck Wrote:  

(09-21-2015 09:43 AM)Deez Nuts Wrote:  So... we can't agree that the jump to $18.3M is record breaking territory FOR JMU (regardless of other institutions), but we still have a long way to go (which EVERYONE has known since 1908). Fact: many other schools, peers or not, raise more money annually than JMU.

There's no reason to ride the negative train on this one. JMU is improving annual giving. It was one year. Will it continue? Hopefully. If it doesn't continue to improve over a long term period, then go sharpen the pitchforks.

I think Dolley's point is there are many of us that get frustrated when certain apologists try to guilt and guile us into tolerating JMU's new world order of underachievement. Yes the admin does wonderful things, but have any of them even come close to continuing the work and accomplishments of Dr. Carrier? THAT should be the standard we hold our leadership accountable to, not this Mickey Mouse bullsh!t.

First, my compliments to Deez. Good conversational tone. Second, hey 2Buck tell us how you really feel.

(09-21-2015 09:43 AM)Deez Nuts Wrote:  So... we can't agree that the jump to $18.3M is record breaking territory FOR JMU (regardless of other institutions), but we still have a long way to go (which EVERYONE has known since 1908). Fact: many other schools, peers or not, raise more money annually than JMU.

There's no reason to ride the negative train on this one. JMU is improving annual giving. It was one year. Will it continue? Hopefully. If it doesn't continue to improve over a long term period, then go sharpen the pitchforks.

This...with the exclusion that 18 million plus is record breaking territory for JMU.

Let's hope all JMU supporters can continue without the irritatingly stupid "yea but" commentary that constantly seeks to minimize our successful efforts.

(09-21-2015 09:56 AM)2Buck Wrote:  

(09-21-2015 09:43 AM)Deez Nuts Wrote:  So... we can't agree that the jump to $18.3M is record breaking territory FOR JMU (regardless of other institutions), but we still have a long way to go (which EVERYONE has known since 1908). Fact: many other schools, peers or not, raise more money annually than JMU.

There's no reason to ride the negative train on this one. JMU is improving annual giving. It was one year. Will it continue? Hopefully. If it doesn't continue to improve over a long term period, then go sharpen the pitchforks.

I think Dolley's point is there are many of us that get frustrated when certain apologists try to guilt and guile us into tolerating JMU's new world order of underachievement. Yes the admin does wonderful things, but have any of them even come close to continuing the work and accomplishments of Dr. Carrier? THAT should be the standard we hold our leadership accountable to, not this Mickey Mouse bullsh!t.

If you know Ronald Carrier....and I doubt that you do.....he'd be the first person to tell you he could not run the JMU of today. Ron Carrier is responsible for the JMU we all love and see today, and he has my everlasting respect for that accomplishment. That said, his standard of excellence has been far exceeded, and any objective and rational person can see that, except for the whiny peanut gallery that can't see beyond an FBS football team.

(09-17-2015 02:22 PM)Deez Nuts Wrote:  http://www.jmusports.com/news/2015/9/17/...52816.aspx

Update on facilities

Quote:We are excited about this venue, but it is imperative to understand that it will not happen without the contributions and support from JMU Nation. We currently sit at less than 25 percent raised of the $12 million needed to proceed with construction. We feel positive about on-going conversations regarding potential six- and seven-figure gifts to support this project, but this important piece of our facilities portfolio will not become reality until significant gifts are pledged.

My question is, how far below 25% RAISED are we? $3M raised with $12M pledged means we can get this going. I remain optimistic that this May there will be an announcement about a convo construction timeline.

DC rep told me that we were at $2.6 last month.

(09-21-2015 01:14 PM)JMU_71 Wrote:  DC rep told me that we were at $2.6 last month.

If that is money raised (cash in hand) then that is outstanding. A corporate multi-million pledge or a couple big pledges put this thing on the track.

(09-21-2015 01:27 PM)Deez Nuts Wrote:  

(09-21-2015 01:14 PM)JMU_71 Wrote:  DC rep told me that we were at $2.6 last month.

If that is money raised (cash in hand) then that is outstanding. A corporate multi-million pledge or a couple big pledges put this thing on the track.

I think that is the pledged amount.

(09-21-2015 01:28 PM)JMU2004 Wrote:  I think that is the pledged amount.

Not to come off as an attack or nah-na-nah-na-nahh-nahh, but I think you're wrong. In my conversations it's been money raised, not money pledged. I guess one of us will have to call a Duke Club rep.

It'll just be 18-24 months before we move, hows that for dialogue?

(09-21-2015 01:42 PM)Deez Nuts Wrote:  

(09-21-2015 01:28 PM)JMU2004 Wrote:  I think that is the pledged amount.

Not to come off as an attack or nah-na-nah-na-nahh-nahh, but I think you're wrong. In my conversations it's been money raised, not money pledged. I guess one of us will have to call a Duke Club rep.

The DC rep told me that was money raised. He also told me that if we had $12M pledged or $3M in hand, they could break ground. So as of mid-August, I guess we're $400k from breaking ground.

What else did they tell you that, they're slashing prices on smoke and mirrors?

Hey, I'm relaying what he told me. That is all.

(09-21-2015 12:20 PM)Longhorn Wrote:  

(09-21-2015 09:56 AM)2Buck Wrote:  

(09-21-2015 09:43 AM)Deez Nuts Wrote:  So... we can't agree that the jump to $18.3M is record breaking territory FOR JMU (regardless of other institutions), but we still have a long way to go (which EVERYONE has known since 1908). Fact: many other schools, peers or not, raise more money annually than JMU.

There's no reason to ride the negative train on this one. JMU is improving annual giving. It was one year. Will it continue? Hopefully. If it doesn't continue to improve over a long term period, then go sharpen the pitchforks.

I think Dolley's point is there are many of us that get frustrated when certain apologists try to guilt and guile us into tolerating JMU's new world order of underachievement. Yes the admin does wonderful things, but have any of them even come close to continuing the work and accomplishments of Dr. Carrier? THAT should be the standard we hold our leadership accountable to, not this Mickey Mouse bullsh!t.

If you know Ronald Carrier....and I doubt that you do.....he'd be the first person to tell you he could not run the JMU of today. Ron Carrier is responsible for the JMU we all love and see today, and he has my everlasting respect for that accomplishment. That said, his standard of excellence has been far exceeded, and any objective and rational person can see that, except for the whiny peanut gallery that can't see beyond an FBS football team.

I do know Ron Carrier, he is a close personal friend of my father-in-law. I have not asked the man the question mentioned above but I seriously doubt that Ron Carrier thinks that he could not run the JMU of today. Long live Ron Carrier!!!

If Carrier were still president of JMU, I am certain that JMU would playing 1A football now (CUSA?). He claims JMU would be in the AAC now if he were still president (I love the man).

I know this for certain, if Ron Carrier were still president of JMU we would not have to wonder if our President has a vision for our Alma Mater.

(09-21-2015 04:06 PM)Purplehazed Wrote:  

(09-21-2015 12:20 PM)Longhorn Wrote:  

(09-21-2015 09:56 AM)2Buck Wrote:  

(09-21-2015 09:43 AM)Deez Nuts Wrote:  So... we can't agree that the jump to $18.3M is record breaking territory FOR JMU (regardless of other institutions), but we still have a long way to go (which EVERYONE has known since 1908). Fact: many other schools, peers or not, raise more money annually than JMU.

There's no reason to ride the negative train on this one. JMU is improving annual giving. It was one year. Will it continue? Hopefully. If it doesn't continue to improve over a long term period, then go sharpen the pitchforks.

I think Dolley's point is there are many of us that get frustrated when certain apologists try to guilt and guile us into tolerating JMU's new world order of underachievement. Yes the admin does wonderful things, but have any of them even come close to continuing the work and accomplishments of Dr. Carrier? THAT should be the standard we hold our leadership accountable to, not this Mickey Mouse bullsh!t.

If you know Ronald Carrier....and I doubt that you do.....he'd be the first person to tell you he could not run the JMU of today. Ron Carrier is responsible for the JMU we all love and see today, and he has my everlasting respect for that accomplishment. That said, his standard of excellence has been far exceeded, and any objective and rational person can see that, except for the whiny peanut gallery that can't see beyond an FBS football team.

I do know Ron Carrier, he is a close personal friend of my father-in-law. I have not asked the man the question mentioned above but I seriously doubt that Ron Carrier thinks that he could not run the JMU of today. Long live Ron Carrier!!!

If Carrier were still president of JMU, I am certain that JMU would playing 1A football now (CUSA?). He claims JMU would be in the AAC now if he were still president (I love the man).

I know this for certain, if Ron Carrier were still president of JMU we would not have to wonder if our President has a vision for our Alma Mater.

Well, Ron Carrier is a personal friend and neighbor of mine. No middle man needs to filter what he thinks when he shares with me. He's rightfully proud of his accomplishments at JMU, and anyone who knows the man knows he has an ego. Boasts and quips about where JMU athletics would be today were he still in charge fall into the same category as his famous retort about BFS/Rome not being built in a day (because he wasn't in charge). In his more reflective moments he'll openingly wonder in amazement about how his efforts have changed the lives of so many, and the entire community of Harrisonburg.

He is a living legend. Yet, he harbors no illusions about being able to run a university that is now three times larger than when he retired as Prez (a time that is close to 20 years). He's a brilliant man. He deserves every honor and compliment we can bestow upon him, however, had today's JMU been in place when Ron was 38 years old, he'd likely never have made it to the interview stage for a Presidential opening, much less be hired as Prez.

He has a different skill set, one Madison College needed in the early 70s (before the digital age). But his skill set wouldn't work today. So let's honor the man, but only Ron (tongue planted firmly in cheek) would tell you he deserves to be deified.

(09-21-2015 04:49 PM)Longhorn Wrote:  

(09-21-2015 04:06 PM)Purplehazed Wrote:  

(09-21-2015 12:20 PM)Longhorn Wrote:  

(09-21-2015 09:56 AM)2Buck Wrote:  

(09-21-2015 09:43 AM)Deez Nuts Wrote:  So... we can't agree that the jump to $18.3M is record breaking territory FOR JMU (regardless of other institutions), but we still have a long way to go (which EVERYONE has known since 1908). Fact: many other schools, peers or not, raise more money annually than JMU.

There's no reason to ride the negative train on this one. JMU is improving annual giving. It was one year. Will it continue? Hopefully. If it doesn't continue to improve over a long term period, then go sharpen the pitchforks.

I think Dolley's point is there are many of us that get frustrated when certain apologists try to guilt and guile us into tolerating JMU's new world order of underachievement. Yes the admin does wonderful things, but have any of them even come close to continuing the work and accomplishments of Dr. Carrier? THAT should be the standard we hold our leadership accountable to, not this Mickey Mouse bullsh!t.

If you know Ronald Carrier....and I doubt that you do.....he'd be the first person to tell you he could not run the JMU of today. Ron Carrier is responsible for the JMU we all love and see today, and he has my everlasting respect for that accomplishment. That said, his standard of excellence has been far exceeded, and any objective and rational person can see that, except for the whiny peanut gallery that can't see beyond an FBS football team.

I do know Ron Carrier, he is a close personal friend of my father-in-law. I have not asked the man the question mentioned above but I seriously doubt that Ron Carrier thinks that he could not run the JMU of today. Long live Ron Carrier!!!

If Carrier were still president of JMU, I am certain that JMU would playing 1A football now (CUSA?). He claims JMU would be in the AAC now if he were still president (I love the man).

I know this for certain, if Ron Carrier were still president of JMU we would not have to wonder if our President has a vision for our Alma Mater.

Well, Ron Carrier is a personal friend and neighbor of mine. No middle man needs to filter what he thinks when he shares with me. He's rightfully proud of his accomplishments at JMU, and anyone who knows the man knows he has an ego. Boasts and quips about where JMU athletics would be today were he still in charge fall into the same category as his famous retort about BFS/Rome not being built in a day (because he wasn't in charge). In his more reflective moments he'll openingly wonder in amazement about how his efforts have changed the lives of so many, and the entire community of Harrisonburg.

He is a living legend. Yet, he harbors no illusions about being able to run a university that is now three times larger than when he retired as Prez (a time that is close to 20 years). He's a brilliant man. He deserves every honor and compliment we can bestow upon him, however, had today's JMU been in place when Ron was 38 years old, he'd likely never have made it to the interview stage for a Presidential opening, much less be hired as Prez.

He has a different skill set, one Madison College needed in the early 70s (before the digital age). But his skill set wouldn't work today. So let's honor the man, but only Ron (tongue planted firmly in cheek) would tell you he deserves to be deified.

Why are you blathering about Dr Carrier's qualifications to run present day JMU? I imagine if we revived George Washington and threw him into the current day White House he might not be very good at pandering to lobbyists or operating the copier eh? Doesn't negate his ability to lead. The point made was the admin since Dr Carrier hasn't come close to his impact, leadership, and conviction.

I'm not talking about the number of new buildings erected, or the number of people we let into the school, or the number of programs we establish. Just about any decent bureaucrat can accomplish that. I'm talking about the inspiration, connection, and sense of pride instilled from the leadership. And not just as students, but as graduates as well.

Were you ever a student during his tenure? Do you know what it was like as an impressionable young pupil to have the president of the university take time out of his day to stop and chat with you as you were on your way to class? Or to sit down with you and your friends while you were eating in D-hall? Not the disingenuous fluff of a campaigning politician going through the motions, but the eager attentiveness of an interested participant? No? Then the filtered opinions of your unsubstantiated bff conversations with an elderly Dr Carrier don't even register with me.

It's obvious you will tow the line of your employers at any cost and the more diatribe you spew just reinforces that. You're on this board often attacking and belittling students and graduates of JMU, the very people whose support is critical to the future of JMU. It's a good thing most of us overlook your smug, self-righteous meandering as the blustering of a single individual as opposed to the official position of the university. I honestly wouldn't even be so vocally critical if it wasn't for your constant blind and distorted defense of every perceived slight against the administration. You do far more harm than good to their cause.

It's simple. The admin can choose to view alumni as a puzzle they need to solve in order to squeeze out maximum donation revenue; or they can recognize alumni for the family we are, and be smarter about ways to build an emotional investment so the revenue comes without pretense and panhandling. Most alumni just don't care enough to even engage in conversation anymore. They are detached, left without a reason to care. Many of the few left that choose to still make the effort for dialog are handing them at least one solution on a golden platter and knuckleheads like you keep doing everything you can to marginalize it.

(09-21-2015 06:55 PM)2Buck Wrote:  

(09-21-2015 04:49 PM)Longhorn Wrote:  

(09-21-2015 04:06 PM)Purplehazed Wrote:  

(09-21-2015 12:20 PM)Longhorn Wrote:  

(09-21-2015 09:56 AM)2Buck Wrote:  I think Dolley's point is there are many of us that get frustrated when certain apologists try to guilt and guile us into tolerating JMU's new world order of underachievement. Yes the admin does wonderful things, but have any of them even come close to continuing the work and accomplishments of Dr. Carrier? THAT should be the standard we hold our leadership accountable to, not this Mickey Mouse bullsh!t.

If you know Ronald Carrier....and I doubt that you do.....he'd be the first person to tell you he could not run the JMU of today. Ron Carrier is responsible for the JMU we all love and see today, and he has my everlasting respect for that accomplishment. That said, his standard of excellence has been far exceeded, and any objective and rational person can see that, except for the whiny peanut gallery that can't see beyond an FBS football team.

I do know Ron Carrier, he is a close personal friend of my father-in-law. I have not asked the man the question mentioned above but I seriously doubt that Ron Carrier thinks that he could not run the JMU of today. Long live Ron Carrier!!!

If Carrier were still president of JMU, I am certain that JMU would playing 1A football now (CUSA?). He claims JMU would be in the AAC now if he were still president (I love the man).

I know this for certain, if Ron Carrier were still president of JMU we would not have to wonder if our President has a vision for our Alma Mater.

Well, Ron Carrier is a personal friend and neighbor of mine. No middle man needs to filter what he thinks when he shares with me. He's rightfully proud of his accomplishments at JMU, and anyone who knows the man knows he has an ego. Boasts and quips about where JMU athletics would be today were he still in charge fall into the same category as his famous retort about BFS/Rome not being built in a day (because he wasn't in charge). In his more reflective moments he'll openingly wonder in amazement about how his efforts have changed the lives of so many, and the entire community of Harrisonburg.

He is a living legend. Yet, he harbors no illusions about being able to run a university that is now three times larger than when he retired as Prez (a time that is close to 20 years). He's a brilliant man. He deserves every honor and compliment we can bestow upon him, however, had today's JMU been in place when Ron was 38 years old, he'd likely never have made it to the interview stage for a Presidential opening, much less be hired as Prez.

He has a different skill set, one Madison College needed in the early 70s (before the digital age). But his skill set wouldn't work today. So let's honor the man, but only Ron (tongue planted firmly in cheek) would tell you he deserves to be deified.

The point made was the admin since Dr Carrier hasn't come close to his impact, leadership, and conviction.

And Ron Carrier would be the first to tell you you're wrong.

(09-21-2015 01:48 PM)JMU_71 Wrote:  

(09-21-2015 01:42 PM)Deez Nuts Wrote:  

(09-21-2015 01:28 PM)JMU2004 Wrote:  I think that is the pledged amount.

Not to come off as an attack or nah-na-nah-na-nahh-nahh, but I think you're wrong. In my conversations it's been money raised, not money pledged. I guess one of us will have to call a Duke Club rep.

The DC rep told me that was money raised. He also told me that if we had $12M pledged or $3M in hand, they could break ground. So as of mid-August, I guess we're $400k from breaking ground.

I hope he was correct, but why not reflect that in Bourne's recent message? You think that if you want to motivate a few more holdouts to pony up another 400k collectively, that showing how well along we are would be a hell of a lot more motivating than the borderline begging tone of his actual message?

Given the inaccuracies of duke club reps in the past, I personally can't put much stock in their messages. I appreciate you sharing though.

(09-21-2015 06:55 PM)2Buck Wrote:  

(09-21-2015 04:49 PM)Longhorn Wrote:  

(09-21-2015 04:06 PM)Purplehazed Wrote:  

(09-21-2015 12:20 PM)Longhorn Wrote:  

(09-21-2015 09:56 AM)2Buck Wrote:  I think Dolley's point is there are many of us that get frustrated when certain apologists try to guilt and guile us into tolerating JMU's new world order of underachievement. Yes the admin does wonderful things, but have any of them even come close to continuing the work and accomplishments of Dr. Carrier? THAT should be the standard we hold our leadership accountable to, not this Mickey Mouse bullsh!t.

If you know Ronald Carrier....and I doubt that you do.....he'd be the first person to tell you he could not run the JMU of today. Ron Carrier is responsible for the JMU we all love and see today, and he has my everlasting respect for that accomplishment. That said, his standard of excellence has been far exceeded, and any objective and rational person can see that, except for the whiny peanut gallery that can't see beyond an FBS football team.

I do know Ron Carrier, he is a close personal friend of my father-in-law. I have not asked the man the question mentioned above but I seriously doubt that Ron Carrier thinks that he could not run the JMU of today. Long live Ron Carrier!!!

If Carrier were still president of JMU, I am certain that JMU would playing 1A football now (CUSA?). He claims JMU would be in the AAC now if he were still president (I love the man).

I know this for certain, if Ron Carrier were still president of JMU we would not have to wonder if our President has a vision for our Alma Mater.

Well, Ron Carrier is a personal friend and neighbor of mine. No middle man needs to filter what he thinks when he shares with me. He's rightfully proud of his accomplishments at JMU, and anyone who knows the man knows he has an ego. Boasts and quips about where JMU athletics would be today were he still in charge fall into the same category as his famous retort about BFS/Rome not being built in a day (because he wasn't in charge). In his more reflective moments he'll openingly wonder in amazement about how his efforts have changed the lives of so many, and the entire community of Harrisonburg.

He is a living legend. Yet, he harbors no illusions about being able to run a university that is now three times larger than when he retired as Prez (a time that is close to 20 years). He's a brilliant man. He deserves every honor and compliment we can bestow upon him, however, had today's JMU been in place when Ron was 38 years old, he'd likely never have made it to the interview stage for a Presidential opening, much less be hired as Prez.

He has a different skill set, one Madison College needed in the early 70s (before the digital age). But his skill set wouldn't work today. So let's honor the man, but only Ron (tongue planted firmly in cheek) would tell you he deserves to be deified.

Why are you blathering about Dr Carrier's qualifications to run present day JMU? I imagine if we revived George Washington and threw him into the current day White House he might not be very good at pandering to lobbyists or operating the copier eh? Doesn't negate his ability to lead. The point made was the admin since Dr Carrier hasn't come close to his impact, leadership, and conviction.

I'm not talking about the number of new buildings erected, or the number of people we let into the school, or the number of programs we establish. Just about any decent bureaucrat can accomplish that. I'm talking about the inspiration, connection, and sense of pride instilled from the leadership. And not just as students, but as graduates as well.

Were you ever a student during his tenure? Do you know what it was like as an impressionable young pupil to have the president of the university take time out of his day to stop and chat with you as you were on your way to class? Or to sit down with you and your friends while you were eating in D-hall? Not the disingenuous fluff of a campaigning politician going through the motions, but the eager attentiveness of an interested participant? No? Then the filtered opinions of your unsubstantiated bff conversations with an elderly Dr Carrier don't even register with me.

It's obvious you will tow the line of your employers at any cost and the more diatribe you spew just reinforces that. You're on this board often attacking and belittling students and graduates of JMU, the very people whose support is critical to the future of JMU. It's a good thing most of us overlook your smug, self-righteous meandering as the blustering of a single individual as opposed to the official position of the university. I honestly wouldn't even be so vocally critical if it wasn't for your constant blind and distorted defense of every perceived slight against the administration. You do far more harm than good to their cause.

It's simple. The admin can choose to view alumni as a puzzle they need to solve in order to squeeze out maximum donation revenue; or they can recognize alumni for the family we are, and be smarter about ways to build an emotional investment so the revenue comes without pretense and panhandling. Most alumni just don't care enough to even engage in conversation anymore. They are detached, left without a reason to care. Many of the few left that choose to still make the effort for dialog are handing them at least one solution on a golden platter and knuckleheads like you keep doing everything you can to marginalize it.

Thank you

(09-21-2015 07:24 PM)jmutoml757 Wrote:  

(09-21-2015 06:55 PM)2Buck Wrote:  

(09-21-2015 04:49 PM)Longhorn Wrote:  

(09-21-2015 04:06 PM)Purplehazed Wrote:  

(09-21-2015 12:20 PM)Longhorn Wrote:  If you know Ronald Carrier....and I doubt that you do.....he'd be the first person to tell you he could not run the JMU of today. Ron Carrier is responsible for the JMU we all love and see today, and he has my everlasting respect for that accomplishment. That said, his standard of excellence has been far exceeded, and any objective and rational person can see that, except for the whiny peanut gallery that can't see beyond an FBS football team.

I do know Ron Carrier, he is a close personal friend of my father-in-law. I have not asked the man the question mentioned above but I seriously doubt that Ron Carrier thinks that he could not run the JMU of today. Long live Ron Carrier!!!

If Carrier were still president of JMU, I am certain that JMU would playing 1A football now (CUSA?). He claims JMU would be in the AAC now if he were still president (I love the man).

I know this for certain, if Ron Carrier were still president of JMU we would not have to wonder if our President has a vision for our Alma Mater.

Well, Ron Carrier is a personal friend and neighbor of mine. No middle man needs to filter what he thinks when he shares with me. He's rightfully proud of his accomplishments at JMU, and anyone who knows the man knows he has an ego. Boasts and quips about where JMU athletics would be today were he still in charge fall into the same category as his famous retort about BFS/Rome not being built in a day (because he wasn't in charge). In his more reflective moments he'll openingly wonder in amazement about how his efforts have changed the lives of so many, and the entire community of Harrisonburg.

He is a living legend. Yet, he harbors no illusions about being able to run a university that is now three times larger than when he retired as Prez (a time that is close to 20 years). He's a brilliant man. He deserves every honor and compliment we can bestow upon him, however, had today's JMU been in place when Ron was 38 years old, he'd likely never have made it to the interview stage for a Presidential opening, much less be hired as Prez.

He has a different skill set, one Madison College needed in the early 70s (before the digital age). But his skill set wouldn't work today. So let's honor the man, but only Ron (tongue planted firmly in cheek) would tell you he deserves to be deified.

Why are you blathering about Dr Carrier's qualifications to run present day JMU? I imagine if we revived George Washington and threw him into the current day White House he might not be very good at pandering to lobbyists or operating the copier eh? Doesn't negate his ability to lead. The point made was the admin since Dr Carrier hasn't come close to his impact, leadership, and conviction.

I'm not talking about the number of new buildings erected, or the number of people we let into the school, or the number of programs we establish. Just about any decent bureaucrat can accomplish that. I'm talking about the inspiration, connection, and sense of pride instilled from the leadership. And not just as students, but as graduates as well.

Were you ever a student during his tenure? Do you know what it was like as an impressionable young pupil to have the president of the university take time out of his day to stop and chat with you as you were on your way to class? Or to sit down with you and your friends while you were eating in D-hall? Not the disingenuous fluff of a campaigning politician going through the motions, but the eager attentiveness of an interested participant? No? Then the filtered opinions of your unsubstantiated bff conversations with an elderly Dr Carrier don't even register with me.

It's obvious you will tow the line of your employers at any cost and the more diatribe you spew just reinforces that. You're on this board often attacking and belittling students and graduates of JMU, the very people whose support is critical to the future of JMU. It's a good thing most of us overlook your smug, self-righteous meandering as the blustering of a single individual as opposed to the official position of the university. I honestly wouldn't even be so vocally critical if it wasn't for your constant blind and distorted defense of every perceived slight against the administration. You do far more harm than good to their cause.

It's simple. The admin can choose to view alumni as a puzzle they need to solve in order to squeeze out maximum donation revenue; or they can recognize alumni for the family we are, and be smarter about ways to build an emotional investment so the revenue comes without pretense and panhandling. Most alumni just don't care enough to even engage in conversation anymore. They are detached, left without a reason to care. Many of the few left that choose to still make the effort for dialog are handing them at least one solution on a golden platter and knuckleheads like you keep doing everything you can to marginalize it.

Thank you

This old country boy thinks 2Buck just shot a straight message.

(09-21-2015 07:53 PM)BleedingPurple Wrote:  

(09-21-2015 07:24 PM)jmutoml757 Wrote:  

(09-21-2015 06:55 PM)2Buck Wrote:  

(09-21-2015 04:49 PM)Longhorn Wrote:  

(09-21-2015 04:06 PM)Purplehazed Wrote:  I do know Ron Carrier, he is a close personal friend of my father-in-law. I have not asked the man the question mentioned above but I seriously doubt that Ron Carrier thinks that he could not run the JMU of today. Long live Ron Carrier!!!

If Carrier were still president of JMU, I am certain that JMU would playing 1A football now (CUSA?). He claims JMU would be in the AAC now if he were still president (I love the man).

I know this for certain, if Ron Carrier were still president of JMU we would not have to wonder if our President has a vision for our Alma Mater.

Well, Ron Carrier is a personal friend and neighbor of mine. No middle man needs to filter what he thinks when he shares with me. He's rightfully proud of his accomplishments at JMU, and anyone who knows the man knows he has an ego. Boasts and quips about where JMU athletics would be today were he still in charge fall into the same category as his famous retort about BFS/Rome not being built in a day (because he wasn't in charge). In his more reflective moments he'll openingly wonder in amazement about how his efforts have changed the lives of so many, and the entire community of Harrisonburg.

He is a living legend. Yet, he harbors no illusions about being able to run a university that is now three times larger than when he retired as Prez (a time that is close to 20 years). He's a brilliant man. He deserves every honor and compliment we can bestow upon him, however, had today's JMU been in place when Ron was 38 years old, he'd likely never have made it to the interview stage for a Presidential opening, much less be hired as Prez.

He has a different skill set, one Madison College needed in the early 70s (before the digital age). But his skill set wouldn't work today. So let's honor the man, but only Ron (tongue planted firmly in cheek) would tell you he deserves to be deified.

Why are you blathering about Dr Carrier's qualifications to run present day JMU? I imagine if we revived George Washington and threw him into the current day White House he might not be very good at pandering to lobbyists or operating the copier eh? Doesn't negate his ability to lead. The point made was the admin since Dr Carrier hasn't come close to his impact, leadership, and conviction.

I'm not talking about the number of new buildings erected, or the number of people we let into the school, or the number of programs we establish. Just about any decent bureaucrat can accomplish that. I'm talking about the inspiration, connection, and sense of pride instilled from the leadership. And not just as students, but as graduates as well.

Were you ever a student during his tenure? Do you know what it was like as an impressionable young pupil to have the president of the university take time out of his day to stop and chat with you as you were on your way to class? Or to sit down with you and your friends while you were eating in D-hall? Not the disingenuous fluff of a campaigning politician going through the motions, but the eager attentiveness of an interested participant? No? Then the filtered opinions of your unsubstantiated bff conversations with an elderly Dr Carrier don't even register with me.

It's obvious you will tow the line of your employers at any cost and the more diatribe you spew just reinforces that. You're on this board often attacking and belittling students and graduates of JMU, the very people whose support is critical to the future of JMU. It's a good thing most of us overlook your smug, self-righteous meandering as the blustering of a single individual as opposed to the official position of the university. I honestly wouldn't even be so vocally critical if it wasn't for your constant blind and distorted defense of every perceived slight against the administration. You do far more harm than good to their cause.

It's simple. The admin can choose to view alumni as a puzzle they need to solve in order to squeeze out maximum donation revenue; or they can recognize alumni for the family we are, and be smarter about ways to build an emotional investment so the revenue comes without pretense and panhandling. Most alumni just don't care enough to even engage in conversation anymore. They are detached, left without a reason to care. Many of the few left that choose to still make the effort for dialog are handing them at least one solution on a golden platter and knuckleheads like you keep doing everything you can to marginalize it.

Thank you

This old country boy thinks 2Buck just shot a straight message.

Shot himself in the foot is more like it.