I seldom if ever do anything but post comments, but this topic came up in the news today, and this Freedom From Religion Group has made demands on a number of big name institutions regarding team chaplains. My question is who funds team chaplains ? And do these guys have a legit case
http://www.thecollegefix.com/post/23881/

I'm not sure, and yes, if the chaplain is funded by their federal or state endowment that would be considered the state(meaning either federal or an actual state in this circumstance) directly promoting one religion which goes against the basic principle of separation of religion and state

I just assumed they were paid for out of Athletic Association funds for that reason. This group has gone after Auburn, Clemson, Georgia, Georgia Tech, Mississippi, and I think Mizzou that I know of, probably more.

(08-22-2015 12:47 AM)Check Yosef Wrote:  I'm not sure, and yes, if the chaplain is funded by their federal or state endowment that would be considered the state(meaning either federal or an actual state in this circumstance) directly promoting one religion which goes against the basic principle of separation of religion and state

most probably dont promote one religion but are mostly generic like in the military.

If the fungibility of private versus public money doesn't apply to Planned Parenthood providing abortions, it doesn't apply to football teams having a Chaplin.

I played on a team that's depth chart was influenced by participation in fca

Team chaplains are not paid for by the university. Also, they don't force any student or athlete to participate in any events, meetings, prayers or gatherings. Why are people that don't believe in God so scared of him???

I don't think anyone who doesn't believe in God are "scared" of him, but they may very well be scared of religion being in the government and our schools, which has a lot of merit.

I think firing chaplains is silly though, for all the reasons you pointed out.

(08-22-2015 10:42 AM)Usajags Wrote:  Team chaplains are not paid for by the university. Also, they don't force any student or athlete to participate in any events, meetings, prayers or gatherings. Why are people that don't believe in God so scared of him???

see my post above yours. its not about being scared of god its about being discriminated against if you don't believe the way the majority of a community or organization believes. separation of church and state was created to protect Christians from other Christians. the first member of my fathers family that came to this country had to change his religion to get a job. a sizable portion of the early colonists came to America because they were being persecuted for their Christian beliefs by other Christians. protecting atheists, muslims, and jews had nothing to do with separation of chuch and state it was just a positive side effect.

(08-22-2015 12:47 AM)Check Yosef Wrote:  I'm not sure, and yes, if the chaplain is funded by their federal or state endowment that would be considered the state(meaning either federal or an actual state in this circumstance) directly promoting one religion which goes against the basic principle of separation of religion and state

Still waiting for someone to show me in the Constitution the "...Separation of Church and State clause".

(08-22-2015 11:15 AM)bladhmadh Wrote:  

(08-22-2015 10:42 AM)Usajags Wrote:  Team chaplains are not paid for by the university. Also, they don't force any student or athlete to participate in any events, meetings, prayers or gatherings. Why are people that don't believe in God so scared of him???

see my post above yours. its not about being scared of god its about being discriminated against if you don't believe the way the majority of a community or organization believes. separation of church and state was created to protect Christians from other Christians. the first member of my fathers family that came to this country had to change his religion to get a job. a sizable portion of the early colonists came to America because they were being persecuted for their Christian beliefs by other Christians. protecting atheists, muslims, and jews had nothing to do with separation of chuch and state it was just a positive side effect.

How is having a team Chaplin discriminating against anyone??? By not allowing them to be there, that is discrimination. If I invite you to come to my church, is that discrimination???

As far as your forefathers being forced to change religion, that was wrong and I have no defense for something I wasn't involved in. Have you returned to the religion of your family???

(08-22-2015 11:25 AM)GSUNCSU Wrote:  

(08-22-2015 12:47 AM)Check Yosef Wrote:  I'm not sure, and yes, if the chaplain is funded by their federal or state endowment that would be considered the state(meaning either federal or an actual state in this circumstance) directly promoting one religion which goes against the basic principle of separation of religion and state

Still waiting for someone to show me in the Constitution the "...Separation of Church and State clause".

Well basically, you can look at the 1st Amendment.

(08-22-2015 10:42 AM)Usajags Wrote:  Team chaplains are not paid for by the university. Also, they don't force any student or athlete to participate in any events, meetings, prayers or gatherings. Why are people that don't believe in God so scared of him???

Folks usually say the athiests and agnostics are against God.

They are actually against the bastardization of God's word to suit MAN's individual desires.

(08-22-2015 12:17 PM)BurlingtonApp Wrote:  

(08-22-2015 11:25 AM)GSUNCSU Wrote:  

(08-22-2015 12:47 AM)Check Yosef Wrote:  I'm not sure, and yes, if the chaplain is funded by their federal or state endowment that would be considered the state(meaning either federal or an actual state in this circumstance) directly promoting one religion which goes against the basic principle of separation of religion and state

Still waiting for someone to show me in the Constitution the "...Separation of Church and State clause".

Well basically, you can look at the 1st Amendment.

The 1st Amendment prevents the US Congress from establishing a State Religion. The "Separation" clause is the biggest misnomer there is, but like so many "laws" enacted by judicial activists, most people are ignorant of the Constitution and the meaning behind every aspect of it which can be found in The Federalist Papers where Madison, Hamilton, and Jay explain the document in detail. Marbury vs Madison was the case where Chief Justice John Marshall "invented" judicial review to avoid taking sides in a political battle. At the time, the US Supreme Court, like most federal offices, were subordinate and inferior to their State counterparts.

Destroying the traditional family, power of religion, control of education and media by the State, and a graduated income tax structure are primary tenets of Mr. Marx ideas

I'm sure if there were a team of Muslims this group would have no problem. They only attack Christian religions.

I think they should be able to keep their chaplains but must also provide ANY other religious leader upon request. I assume atheist could opt to not participate in any services, so no team prayers and things of that nature by the religious leaders. Jews can get their services from rabbis, Muslims from imams, Christians from chaplains, and then there is the one true religion... Watching a youtube clip to worship with the church of Our Lady of Perpetual Exemption.

(08-22-2015 12:17 PM)BurlingtonApp Wrote:  

(08-22-2015 11:25 AM)GSUNCSU Wrote:  

(08-22-2015 12:47 AM)Check Yosef Wrote:  I'm not sure, and yes, if the chaplain is funded by their federal or state endowment that would be considered the state(meaning either federal or an actual state in this circumstance) directly promoting one religion which goes against the basic principle of separation of religion and state

Still waiting for someone to show me in the Constitution the "...Separation of Church and State clause".

Well basically, you can look at the 1st Amendment.

Not there...

Maybe you should see what James Madison and Thomas Jefferson had to say on the matter, they are the one who wrote it...

(08-22-2015 04:11 PM)GSUNCSU Wrote:  Not there...

The Constitution Wrote:Amendment I. Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.

The bolded part is the important one. It is summarized to say separation between church and state, but the reality is that the government shall not endorse a religion over others.

By using government funds to hire one particular religion's clergy, the government is therefore establishing a religion for the entity. (now, that is assuming he is on the company payroll, and his salary isn't paid for by other funds, that they limit the clergy to one religion, and a whole lotta other stuff).

(08-22-2015 02:59 PM)Godzilla Wrote:  I think they should be able to keep their chaplains but must also provide ANY other religious leader upon request. I assume atheist could opt to not participate in any services, so no team prayers and things of that nature by the religious leaders. Jews can get their services from rabbis, Muslims from imams, Christians from chaplains, and then there is the one true religion... Watching a youtube clip to worship with the church of Our Lady of Perpetual Exemption.

I love that Church . . . . Thank you Brother John Oliver for founding a Church I can believe in . . . . .

PTL: Pass The Loot . . . .

The Freedom of Religious Group claims that the US Constitution was designed as a godless document, yet the ratification of it specifically
states ..."in the year of our Lord".