(08-20-2015 12:48 PM)QSECOFR Wrote:  

(08-20-2015 11:55 AM)bearcatmark Wrote:  No chance Kelly doesn't coach the National Championship game. ND would have let him (like Urban coached Utah in the BCS game before going to FLorida) and he could not have passed on it.

Kelly had permission to stay with UC with the rest of the coaches for the Sugar Bowl and he decided not to.

I think you are right. If the NCG was on the line Kelly would have not taken the Notre Dame job. Notre Dame would have offered the job to someone else (possibly Bob Stoops who was a serious candidate). That being said, he would have been out of here the following year when a big job would have been made available. Here are the BCS/P5 schools that had openings in 2011:

Arizona
Arizona State
Illinois
Kansas
North Carolina
Ohio State (they fired Tressel before the season started and made Fickell the interim coach for a year)
Ole Miss
Penn State
Pitt
Rutgers
Texas A&M
UCLA
Washington State

First of all, he would have said no to most of these jobs. I see maybe 4-5 he would have seriously thought about, but I definitely think he would not have turned down either the Penn State* or the Ohio State job (puke) if they were offered to him.

* on second thought he might have turned down PSU given the Sandusky effect and the subsequent penalties/recruiting limitations.

A final thought I had, had Kelly stuck around another year Butch Jones would have probably gotten snatched up by someone else after the 2009 season. Who knows how this butterfly effect would have played out.

(08-20-2015 11:38 AM)BearcatMan Wrote:  Would've been mighty interesting...then we would've gotten absolutely massacred by bama, but still!

Certainly not disagreeing with you on this but I do think it would have been a closer game than what UC had against Florida. BK is there to coach so that helps. And Bama was a run-first offense that year which UC would not have been able to stop but it would have taken more time off the clock and thus the final score wouldn't have been so ugly.

If somehow we would have played in the NCG, I always said that Mike Thomas should have sat down with Kelly with a new contract on the desk. One provision would have been to sign the contract or he cannot coach the Championship Game. I am not sure Kelly's ego would allow him to walk away from that game.

(08-20-2015 01:25 PM)Bearcat Otto Wrote:  If somehow we would have played in the NCG, I always said that Mike Thomas should have sat down with Kelly with a new contract on the desk. One provision would have been to sign the contract or he cannot coach the Championship Game. I am not sure Kelly's ego would allow him to walk away from that game.

Well considering that coaches can walk out whenever they want, unless that had a $30M buyout clause, he probably would've just unzipped his pants and signed it with a firm stream.

(08-20-2015 12:12 PM)rtaylor Wrote:  

(08-20-2015 11:48 AM)Jchuges7 Wrote:  

(08-20-2015 11:38 AM)BearcatMan Wrote:  

(08-20-2015 11:27 AM)sbcat84 Wrote:  

(08-20-2015 10:55 AM)bearcatmark Wrote:  Or if the damn refs didn't put an extra second back on the clock after time ran out on Texas. Seriously, we were at a bar in Pittsburgh loaded down with UC fans and the place was going bazerk when time ran out. I ran around the place giving high fives to pretty much everyone there. That kick was such a brutal moment in one of the best days in Bearcat sports history.

I may have been in the same bar, and you are right it was brutal.
Especially with Kelly having one foot out the door as we found out later.

If we make the NC Game, you have to figure Kelly would stay...right? Crazy how a few milliseconds changed our program as much as it did. After Texas won, a lot of people failed to realize that we jumped TCU into 3rd in the final rankings. Would've been mighty interesting...then we would've gotten absolutely massacred by bama, but still!

It's really funny this is coming up because I just was getting into a heated argument about this with some co-workers last night. They claimed that even if UC would have made the national championship game that year that Kelly would have bolted before the game and left UC to twist in the wind while playing for a national championship. My argument is that the backlash would have been so great if a coach ever did something like that their career would take a huge hit, as would the reputation of the school who was behind the coach poach.

All in all no matter what happened that year Kelly was probably heading for his dream job at ND but what a piece of trash he would have been to abandon his kids before a national championship game. Again, no way to know what would have happened.

You are 100% correct. There is no possible way Kelly leaves before coaching in the national championship, and no way ND asks him to. For anyone to say different is silly. I have often wondered if that would have changed his mind about leaving and if the university would have fast tracked all of the renovations, adding sports, etc. That we are seeing now. What if we beat BAMA? Then what?

I think if we simply MADE it to the title game, we'd be in the P5 and not UL.

(08-20-2015 02:22 PM)BearcatsUC Wrote:  

(08-20-2015 12:12 PM)rtaylor Wrote:  

(08-20-2015 11:48 AM)Jchuges7 Wrote:  

(08-20-2015 11:38 AM)BearcatMan Wrote:  

(08-20-2015 11:27 AM)sbcat84 Wrote:  I may have been in the same bar, and you are right it was brutal.
Especially with Kelly having one foot out the door as we found out later.

If we make the NC Game, you have to figure Kelly would stay...right? Crazy how a few milliseconds changed our program as much as it did. After Texas won, a lot of people failed to realize that we jumped TCU into 3rd in the final rankings. Would've been mighty interesting...then we would've gotten absolutely massacred by bama, but still!

It's really funny this is coming up because I just was getting into a heated argument about this with some co-workers last night. They claimed that even if UC would have made the national championship game that year that Kelly would have bolted before the game and left UC to twist in the wind while playing for a national championship. My argument is that the backlash would have been so great if a coach ever did something like that their career would take a huge hit, as would the reputation of the school who was behind the coach poach.

All in all no matter what happened that year Kelly was probably heading for his dream job at ND but what a piece of trash he would have been to abandon his kids before a national championship game. Again, no way to know what would have happened.

You are 100% correct. There is no possible way Kelly leaves before coaching in the national championship, and no way ND asks him to. For anyone to say different is silly. I have often wondered if that would have changed his mind about leaving and if the university would have fast tracked all of the renovations, adding sports, etc. That we are seeing now. What if we beat BAMA? Then what?

I think if we simply MADE it to the title game, we'd be in the P5 and not UL.

I agree with many premises of this thread, but not this one. Very little difference that year (the proverbial one second) between NC and Sugar Bowl. Just being there would likely have had no baring on making P5, especially assuming Kelly would have been gone after NC game anyway (which he would have).

Essentially, the only difference I think would have been that BK stayed through the NC game, and with him at the helm, we would have given Bama a scare.

(08-20-2015 01:25 PM)Bearcat Otto Wrote:  If somehow we would have played in the NCG, I always said that Mike Thomas should have sat down with Kelly with a new contract on the desk. One provision would have been to sign the contract or he cannot coach the Championship Game. I am not sure Kelly's ego would allow him to walk away from that game.

might have given the coaching staff the mobile phones that BK requested?

(08-20-2015 01:25 PM)Bearcat Otto Wrote:  If somehow we would have played in the NCG, I always said that Mike Thomas should have sat down with Kelly with a new contract on the desk. One provision would have been to sign the contract or he cannot coach the Championship Game. I am not sure Kelly's ego would allow him to walk away from that game.

That's not realistic at all. It would have taken Kelly's team a matter of minutes to put out that the contract wasn't "fair" and Thomas was threatening termination. Fan base would have revolted.

Kelly would have coached the national title game and ND would have been perfectly fine with it knowing it would be good for them in the long run.

With that all said, I think the voters would have tweaked their votes to make sure someone not named UC was #2 had that game gone differently.

The voters wouldn't have had to tweak votes. TCU would have probably moved ahead of us anyway because they would have jumped Texas in the computer polls while we were already ahead of Texas in the computer and would have gained no points in that part of the BCS formula.

We didn't get in the NC game not be cause of any game other than the one we played against Miami University. They were SO bad that years that they seriously hurt our rating.

So.........

Tell me again why we should play MU every year???????????????????

(08-22-2015 04:27 PM)QSECOFR Wrote:  We didn't get in the NC game not be cause of any game other than the one we played against Miami University. They were SO bad that years that they seriously hurt our rating.

So.........

Tell me again why we should play MU every year???????????????????

The assured sell outs are nice

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